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Father Joe Pfeiffer Sermon - Heresies of Science - A.D. 2013
« on: February 07, 2013, 08:30:06 PM »
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  • ...actually, website says it was "prepared for Septuagesima Sunday but
    said on 2nd Sunday after Epiphany"...


    Quote from: Our Lady of Mount Carmel USA ~ Fr. Joe Pfeiffer category


    http://ourladyofmountcarmelusa.com/category/fr-joseph-pfeiffer/


    This entry was posted in Catechism, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, SSPX Crisis on January 28, 2013.
    copy of Video URL


    The player is Adobe Flash, which is prone to problems.. so "good luck!"  



    This sermon is the one at the top of the page, today (I have not been watching
    the site so I don't know how it updates - maybe the new items go in at the top
    of the page).


    Fr. Pfeiffer takes the bull by the horns.  

    We should call him The Matador.  

    In this sermon Fr. Joe explains why modern science has been used to deny the
    most fundamental principle of human thought, which is the evidence of our own
    sense perception.  For by means of the modern scientists standing up and
    proclaiming that..

    1)  the earth moves and the sun does not,  
    2)  since the Bible says otherwise we don't have to believe the Bible,  and  
    3)  we therefore do not have to believe the Church, but rather we must believe
    science,  

    ..we are now free of the confines of religion and we do not have to believe any
    miracles, including but not limited to the parting of the Red Sea, the Resurrection
    of Our Lord, or the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima in 1917.  

    Fr. Joe puts his finger on DEEP DARK SECRET of our age, the one that is staring
    us in the face everywhere we go.  For how many times in a day do we see the
    so-called authority of science proclaiming something about evolution that we
    all must accept or else we are a troublemaker, or perhaps a "terrorist?"  

    Those who were there got the full version, in 45 minutes and 16 seconds.  
    The first 5 minutes are announcements, including how the poor monks in Campos
    Brazil under Abbe Thomas Aquinas have been cut off of support from the
    SSPX Menzingen-denizens because of their opposition to the 'deal' with modernist
    Rome, so the second collection will be to assist those courageous brothers and
    priests (monks) who are standing up for Tradition.

    The sermon begins at 7:37, so it's 37:39 in duration .. not a long time to cover
    all this ground.  

    The pronouncements of modern science are not those of scientists but are those
    of priests.  Modern scientists act as if they were religious authorities which they
    are not, therefore it is a lie.  They speak outside their capacity when the
    pronounce doctrine outside of science, and they do it a lot.  

    Dr. Henry Morris minute 40, was not a Christian until he was converted by
    reading Genesis, but since the Catholic Church was not condemning the errors
    of modern science, the popes and bishops who were so negligent are responsible
    for these who went to Protestantism instead of to the truth of the Catholic Church.  

    If we're going to bring back Christendom we've got to bring back the 6 days
    of Creation.  

    If there is no certitude in what we see with our own eyes, then we are left to
    believe what we are told by modern science.  








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    Father Joe Pfeiffer Sermon - Heresies of Science - A.D. 2013
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  • There are now 5 threads on this same sermon,
    Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon from Jan 20th, 2nd Sunday after Epiphany,
    given in Denver, CO and Post Falls, ID.

    Points of confusion:  

    The same sermon he delivered in Post Falls the morning of the same day;
    This sermon was written for Septuagesima Sunday, Jan. 27th, but Fr. mistakenly
    prepared it to be given a week earlier.
    While it is basically the same sermon, there are minor differences in the two,
    because Fr. Pfeiffer does not deliver his sermons verbatim, but internalizes the
    material and speaks from his understanding of the subject.  His sermons are
    never mechanical, dry or contrived, but dynamic and very much alive.

    It seems Fr. is really excited about this topic, and he says that Septuagesima is
    "one of my personal favorite Sundays of the year, so I guess we'll get it twice
    this year ... also next week" (8:25 Post Falls recording).  So his eagerness
    got the better of him and he accidentally prepared this sermon a week too soon.

    The Post Falls sermon begins at minute 7:47  




    pablo started two threads:
    Denver version
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-Padre-Pfeiffer-Heretics-of-Science-Denver-January-20th-2013
    Links video:
    469fitter·163 videos, published Jan 22nd, 142 views today


    Post Falls version
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-Padre-Pfeiffer-Heresies-of-Science-January-20th-2013
    Links video:
    published Jan 22nd, 181 views today



    chrstnoel1 started a thread:
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/FR-JOE-PFEIFFER-AJM-2nd-SUNDAY-after-EPIPHANY
    Links video:
    Noel Christie·97 videos published Jan 24th, 113 views today



    padrepio started a thread:
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermons-from-Fr-Voigt-Fr-Pfeiffer-and-Fr-Hewko
    Links ITSYSC website for both videos (as well as 2 others, below, and retreat audios)
    Sermons from Father Pfeiffer:
    Jan. 20, 2013 Denver, Heresies of Science II
    Jan. 20, 2013 Post Falls, Heresies of Science I
    Jan. 19, 2013 Seattle, St Peter
    Sermon from Father Hewko:
    Jan. 13, 2013 Charlotte, NC


    Neil Obstat started a thread:
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Father-Joe-Pfeiffer-Sermon-Heresies-of-Science-AD-2013
    Links video:
    http://ourladyofmountcarmelusa.com/category/fr-joseph-pfeiffer/
    (the video plays on the website page):

    (YouTube video uploaded by P Bell - 6 videos)


    There is another YouTube video, uploaded by Eglisemilitante·98 videos -
    published Jan 27th, 35 views today

    which is the Denver version



    Inthissignyoushallconquer.com now has these 2 sermons available on VLC
    player, which you can download and archive.  The playback is much better
    for transcribing than any Adobe Flash version (which means all YouTube videos).






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    Sermon given on Second Sunday after Epiphany
    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, SSPX
    January 20th, A.D. 2013
    From Mass in Denver, CO
    (sermon prepared for Septuagesima Sunday, delivered a week early)
    Duration 52:32



    [The first few minutes of announcements are not transcribed here, min = 7:35]

    Fr. Pfeiffer:  In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.  Amen. Today is the Second Sunday after Epiphany, but when I was looking at my map and my calendar, I misjudged the weeks and prepared for Septuagesima, which is next Sunday.  So today, a few considerations... rather than today’s Sunday, Septuagesima, which is next Sunday, which in the early days of the Church, used to be considered the first Sunday of the Liturgical Year.  It was only about 800 years ago, that Septuagesima Sunday was just another season.  Now it’s a mysterious season thrown in as a filler, between Epiphany and Lent.  But that’s not what it originally was;  it was the first day of the year, and the beginning of everything and our liturgical life.  And the reason that is, is that the center of all of our life is the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.  That is the CETNER of HISTORY.  Everything is Before Christ and After Christ, with Christ or against Christ, everything is centered on the decisions we make in regards to Christ crucified.  We either have the blood of the Lamb washed upon us for our redemption or we reject the Blood of the Lamb, and we are going to be counted amongst the damned if we do that.  

    But nonetheless, the good and bad, true and false, before and after, up and down, everything, is centered around Jesus Christ and his crucifixion.  Therefore the beginning of the year is when we begin to prepare for that crucifixion..  And that special time of preparation is Septuagesima Sunday, and it also symbolizes the whole of the history of the world, the sacredness of numbers:  seventy weeks of years was what Daniel spoke of, seventy DAYS between Septuagesima Sunday and the Saturday after Easter Sunday.  If you count the number of days after Septuagesima, 70 days will take you to the Saturday before Low Sunday.  And during that time, the whole of Redemption will be considered – the whole of it – our “deviation” is what it’s called by the Apostles of the Church, that when God created man, He created him good, but then there was the time of the “deviation,” when the first thing that man did was walk away from God.  He deviated:  went away from God.  And then God came down to the earth to bring man back to Himself!  To bring man back to heaven;  and this is the story of the history of the world.  And it is symbolized by the number 70, and also by the number 7.  And these numbers are sacred.  And they tell us the history of our life, the history of our world, the history of everything, and of the supernatural life as well.  

    When we begin our Septuagesima Sunday, our Sacred Scripture reading, we haven’t changed that when the liturgical year moved Sunday of Advent considered the new beginning of the liturgical year, they didn’t change the Breviary readings, so on Septuagesima Sunday – next Sunday, not today – when we read:  “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and He said, ‘Let there be light’.”   And on Septuagesima Sunday we read the story of God’s creation of the six days.  And this is the beginning of everything.  And all of our supernatural life, all of the history of the world, all the history of our own lives, the history of everything, the history of salvation, is patterned on the 6 days of creation.  They are extremely important.  

    St. Thomas Aquinas tells us, ‘We could not know, it is not naturally possible for man to know how God created the world’ – we can measure the world after it was created, but we cannot know the order,  or the details of how He created it.  It requires a special act of divine revelation.  And God revealed to Moses, and God revealed to Adam, and God revealed to us how He created the world, and the order in which He created it;  and there is a divine reason for everything that He created:  IN SIX LITERAL DAYS.  

    God did create the world in six days.  Evening and morning was the first day, was the second day, was the third day, was the fourth day, was the fifth day and the sixth day, and they were twenty-four hour days.  And on the seventh day He rested from His work, and He laid the pattern of our lives, a pattern which has never been changed.  

    If you look at the life of Jesus Christ and all of the things that He did to bring us to heaven, He gave us seven sacraments, which match these seven days – and the 7 ages of the Church, and the 7 letters of the 7 Churches and the 7 ages of the Church that St. John speaks about, that summarize the whole history of the world.  And there are 7 virtues: the three theological virtues and the four cardinal.  7 Gifts of the Holy Ghost – all of these things are important.  And they all fit together.  And even the devil came up with 7 capital sins.  

    Seven is really essential to our lives, and God created the world in 6 literal days, and on the seventh day He rested, and it’s important, and He revealed to us how He did it.  St. Thomas says the first 3 days are the days of the placing of the essential elements, and then on the final 3 days was the ornamentation, the decoration of those elements, light and space was created on the first day, and on the 4th day the stars filled the spaces.  And on the second day, the separation of the waters.  And on the 5th day, we find the creation of fishes and birds to be inside of the waters and inside of the air.  And on the third day the dry land appears, and on the 6th day He creates all the various animals.  He created and then He ornamented.  

    And this is what He does in our spiritual life as well.  And the Fathers of the Church relate our spiritual life, they relate the history of the world, they relate the history of the Catholic Church to these days of creation.  And the devil knows it.  And that is why the devil tried to destroy it.  

    The devil attacked us at our roots.  Look at Genesis, and these 6 days.  It was very important that he do this.  And one of the key elements in the destruction of the Catholic Faith, is that in the last 400 years today we will consider one wicked man, who we are not supposed to talk about because we will be mocked if we do.  

    His name is Galileo Galilei.  And Galileo lived 400 years ago.  And GALILEO WAS THE KEY TO THE MODERN DESTRUCTION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    Galileo was the key victor – the first man to understood the technique to destroy the Catholic Church, by creating a side church, by creating a false church, which would be the church of science – a false church which would replace the true Church.  And he saw the great way of doing it.  The key to doing it.  He was the one that was the father of the scientific revolution.  There were other revolutionaries before him, like Copernicus, and others before him, but they were not successful.  They failed.  Galileo recognized the two key weapons to destroy the Catholic Church and the Catholic Faith, and he recognized the power of science:  How was science going to defeat the Church?  How was science going to defeat God? —by two main weapons, and he recognized their power.

    The first was the telescope.  Galileo had a telescope.  And he realized:  you know, there are very few men in the world that have telescopes.  And all I have to do, is say, “I have a telescope, and I am a scientist, and I see the waves of the ocean going back and forth, and therefore the earth must be spinning around.  And I have a telescope, and I can see the stars, and when I look into this telescope, I can see the movement of the stars and I can see that the sun is in the center of the universe and we are spinning around.  You can’t see it because you don’t have a telescope.  And if I gave you my telescope, you couldn’t see it either, because you’re not trained in how to look through a telescope.  

    So Galileo realized the true power of modern science:  pride.  The true power of modern science is:  I have a telescope, you don’t.  I know how to look through telescopes, you don’t.  And therefore, I will tell you what I see.  

    One man that did this in religion, and you can see exactly the case, was Joseph Smith.  Joseph Smith had a pair of glasses.  And Joseph Smith sat in front of a curtain, and he looked through his glasses and he said, ah, write down this – and the idiot on the other side of the curtain had to write down whatever Joseph Smith said.  And he said, “The angel’s telling me these things.”  And he was not allowed to look around the curtain, and see that he was just reading out of the Bible, and quoting it.  He was just reading out of other books and just quoting it.  And the editions that he wrote were just bad editions with lots of typos which were transferred into the Book of Mormon, the same typos.  And so the idiot didn’t know that, because he wasn’t allowed to look [tape skips – ‘behind the curtain’].  

    Galileo was the first one to realize the power of the telescope.  The power of the telescope is:  you don’t have one;  I do.  You don’t have a degree;  I do.  Therefore, I can make up anything I want, and I can say it’s science, and you will have to follow me.  You will have to agree.  I can only I can say ‘science has proven.’  For instance, one day in the life of Galileo, a man said, “It is impossible” – a scientist and an astronomer – “It is impossible for there to be the earth spinning and going around the sun, because if it did, there would be phases in Venus.”  And he said, “Ah:  that’s right.”  So he went, and he looked at the phases of Venus and he said, “I saw phases in Venus.”  Turns out there are phases in Venus, and there’s an explanation for it.  But he couldn’t see them through his telescope.  His telescope wasn’t able to see the phases of Venus.  He just lied.  

    He said, “Ah!  I saw it!”  And he wrote it down.  He did never see the phases of Venus because you can’t see it with his telescope.  He just lied.  And he realized, if you tell a lie boldly, and you act like it’s true, and you say you’re an expert, people will believe you.  

    And then Galileo said, that the Scriptures are spiritual books.  He was the first one to say that.  They used to be historical books.  They used to be inerrant and infallible books.  But he said, no, they’re just ‘spiritual books’.  Now, many Protestants also deny the truth of Sacred Scripture.  We now think of Protestants as the ones who BELIEVE in Sacred Scripture, in fact, many of the Protestant heretics said, ‘It’s only a spiritual book also,’ so in this sense, he was a Catholic imitating the Protestants;  Galileo was a Catholic.  And he said, ‘No, they’re just spiritual books – and God’s trying to teach spirituality in these books – He’s not trying to teach science, and so when the Bible says things that touch science, don’t believe it’.  And he began to make the first separation, which was the first infiltration of the Catholic Church for 400 years ago:  rip apart science and God – science and religion.  This is essential to the destruction of the Catholic Faith.  

    Because St. Thomas Aquinas tells us:  “Do not believe that Jesus is God, just because He says He’s God.  And that God Himself says, ‘Do not believe’.”  Remember the story of the northern prophet and the southern prophet.  You read in the Book of Kings.  You read about the northern prophet and the southern prophet.  And the southern prophet was told by God, ‘Go to the king, and tell him he has offended God, and then, on your way to the king, do not speak to anyone, and do not eat.  And come back fasting to the land of the south’.  And he went – he told the king.  And on his way back, the northern prophet came and intercepted him.  And he said, ‘I too am a prophet.  I am the northern prophet’.  Their names are not given in the Book of Kings, they’re just the northern prophet and the southern prophet.  And he says, ‘I have been sent by God to give you food, because you are fasting, and He feels for you and tells you to eat’.  And so he said, ‘Oh, thank you’, and so he ate.  And when he had finished eating, the northern prophet said, ‘Why did you eat?  God told you, “Go to the king, and tell him he was to be punished.”   And He told you to leave, and He told you not to speak to anyone, but you spoke to me.  He told you not to eat and you ate.  Why did you eat?  Behold you will be killed this day because of your sin’.  And lions came and ate, and killed the southern prophet.

    The northern prophet was sent to test the southern prophet.  And the southern prophet failed the test.  And so, the Fathers tell us, that we must test the spirits.  And we do not believe that when Christ says He’s God, that He’s God – we want proof.  And what is the proof?  He rose from the dead.  Jesus Christ really died before thousands and thousands of witnesses, who was seen with our own eyes.  He didn’t die on the cross he was buried what one hundred soldiers guarded his tomb, and He rose from the dead on the third day and a seven-year old child should know that.  How do we know that Jesus is God?  Because He rose from the dead! – with many witnesses of his death – many witnesses of his burial – many witnesses of his rising again.  Therefore, we must believe what He says, when He says He is God.   And there have been many miracles of the Church down the last 2,000 years.  Not only then, but even in the 20th century the miracle of the sun.  There are still continued miracles proving to rational men that God is still working amongst men, and has control of the operations of men.  

    St. Thomas says, ‘You do not believe what Christ says just because He said it, we must have motives of credibility.  We must have proof.’  And the proof is the miracles of Christ’s life, the evidence of those twelve Apostles, whose proved the truth of those evidences as dying as witnesses to the truth of what they saw and of course the resurrection.  

    What happens with Galileo?  Galileo is essential.  Many have noticed that, many modern scholars have said, he created the greatest revolution in thought in the history of the world.  Why?  Because if you walk outside, this morning, if you did that, now-a-days people don’t go outside, but supposing you theoretically did that – you go out tomorrow morning and you look to the east, you will see the sun rise.  And if you look in the evening you will see the sun set in the west.  You will watch the sun go through the sky, and you’ll watch it set.  Every day you’ll see it rise in the east and every day you’ll see it set in the west.  And your eyes tell you that the sun is moving.  

    What was the power of the wickedness of Galileo?  Your eyes no longer tell you the truth.  The senses are no longer infallible.  St. Thomas tells us the common sense is infallible.  If you stand out in the rain and you feel the rain coming down, and you watch the rain, and you know what?  ‘It’s rainin’.   And you’re right:  it’s raining.  

    Now, from this sense, we can get certitude, from this certitude, we can learn about miracles, and the presence of God.  From this certitude, we can rise to the knowledge that there is a God.  From this certitude we can rise to the knowledge that there is a just judge, who will judge the good and the wicked, and give them their rewards.  But our certitude begins with our eyes.   Eyewitnesses – their certitude begins with our senses.  We see, we hear, we smell, we taste, we touch;  and what we see, we hear, we smell, we taste, we touch is real.  Galileo tells us, “No.”  Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.  He ripped out the foundation of all certitude.  And when you rip out the foundation of all certitude, you rip out the foundation of truth.  And when you rip out the foundation of truth, you rip out truth.  What is truth?  Truth is no longer from the outside.  And so, enter, in the next couple of hundred years:  SUBJECTIVISM.  

    Enter, after Galileo, since there is no OBJECTIVE TRUTH, if I can’t even tell the sun is moving, and if I’m moving at 133,000 miles per hour and I look like I’m standing still, and that’s the way it’s really going on;  and I don’t know – I can’t see it, but I know it’s true, it means my senses cannot be trusted—and therefore, what do I trust? – the scientists!  It’s a DOGMA.  It is a dogma outside of which there is no salvation!  You must believe that the earth is spinning – or you are a heretic!  You must believe that the sun is stationary in the middle of this universe or you are a heretic!  You are a FOOL and a HERETIC – it is a MOST IMPORTANT DOGMA!  

    One of the proofs that it’s so important, why it continues and continues to come up and come up and come up – Galileo died 400 years ago!  What do we care about that idiot?  But you find things in the newspaper;  you find things in the History Channel;  you find things on the PBS;  you find you have to learn about it, everybody has to be handed their little globe that’s spinning around on an axis.  You have to believe it – it’s essential dogma, and if you don’t believe it:  there’s no truth!  It is the most important dogma of science.

    The other dogma is the spiritual dogma.  And that is the dogma of the ‘h0Ɩ0cαųst.’  The dogma that there were 6 million Jews that were killed in the ‘h0Ɩ0cαųst’.  This is the spiritual dogma.  And then the dogma of science is, there is, that we are spinning around in the universe, around a sun, and we are not the center of the universe.  God did not become man in the center of the universe.  This is not the case.  And so, we must believe it.  

    And what is the consequence of it?  It takes time for it to rip apart the minds of men, because we human beings are slow.  It takes hundreds of years before minds of men are so ripped apart that we don’t know anything.  We don’t know whether or not it’s real.. if you go out, and you see a man that gets shot in the street, you’ve got to go home and see if it’s on the evening news to see if it really happened!  And if it’s not on the news, then it probably didn’t happen.  

    And so you don’t know what you see.  We don’t know if what we see, whether it’s true or if it’s false.  Galileo ripped apart the mind, firstly by the power of the telescope.  Real scientists say what they really see, but modern scientists, what do they say?  They tell you you evolved from an ape!  They tell you you evolved over billions of years.  They tell you that you must see that the sun is the center, and that we’re spinning around.  

    But they DON’T tell you, that whenever we send satellites into space, they pretend like the earth isn’t moving—because if you don’t do that, the satellites won’t get where they’re supposed to go.  So if they’re going to send real satellites into the real space, you make the earth stationary in your calculations!  But in the classroom, you don’t tell the people that.  And so, what are they going to do?  

    They are telling us what to believe:  These scientists are PRIESTS.  They are modern, pagan priests, who are teaching another religion that is not the true religion.  They are preparing for the Antichrist, with a pseudo-science and a pseudo-religion – because, just like Jesus Christ had POWER, why did he have power? – because he really walked on the  water – because He performed real miracles – because He showed by His actions that He had the power over the waves, and He had the power to rise from the dead – He showed by His real power over true science.  

    Without science, there is no religion.  

    Jesus Christ defied the powers of death, when He said to that man who was dead 4 days in the tomb:  Lazarus, come forth!  And He rose up, and the stone was rolled back and he came out of the tomb.   Without science there is no miracle of the resurrection and of Lazarus.  Without science there’s no miracle of Christ’s resurrection.  Without science there’s no explanation for the death of those Egyptians who went with Pharaoh into the Red Sea.  Science is essential to our faith.  

    We cannot have a true faith or be certain of our faith, unless it is scientifically proven.  Like in the case of Padre Pio and one of his miracles:  a [girl] was born in England without pupils.  [She] didn’t have pupils.  [She] came to Padre Pio.  (It was a lady.)  He cured her, and she watches movies, and she reads the newspaper, and she doesn’t have pupils.  He didn’t give her pupils.  He didn’t give her the necessary elements to be able to see;  he just gave her the power to see.  And she drives a car, without eyes.  That’s science, God over science! – God doing something that cannot be denied by the scientists.  She sees:  she has no pupils.  Miracles depend upon science.  And the devil knows that.  So what did he do?  Destroy science!  Make it the tool of the devil!  Science was the great enemy of the devil before – now it’s the tool of the devil, because it is not true science, it is pseudo-science.

    Because when the Antichrist comes, he will need scientists – he will need experts:  “That was a real miracle!”  What he does is false miracles!  And you will believe it – why? – because you believe these idiot morons with PhD’s with stupid universities.  That’s why you will believe it.  And these morons, who don’t know anything, they are respected as Gods.  They are respected as popes.  They are respected as priests and bishops.  And they are the priests and bishops and popes of the CHURCH OF SATAN.  

    The battle is a supernatural battle.  It is not a natural battle.  The first weapon was the telescope, and the second weapon, human respect and mockery.  This is a very powerful weapon:  Human Respect and Mockery.  

    Galileo was an expert at mockery during his own life.  He used to mock anyone who did not agree with him, rather than giving an argument against his adversaries, he would make them look like fools, and he would mock them.  The bad scientists before him were trying to give reasons.  Galileo realized:  you don’t need to give reasons.  You need to act like you’re smart, you need to act like you know, you need to pretend you have the proof, and you need to lie with impunity, and you need to mock and curse anyone who’s against you and they will all bow down:  Popes and bishops included!  

    And that’s what happened.  Friends of Galileo became cardinals over the next couple hundred years, friends of his ideas.  And they removed his books from the Index.  He was declared a heretic – or, his doctrine was declared a heresy in 1616, and then it was declared heresy in 1633.  And the word “heresy” was explicitly used by the popes, two different popes.   And what did they say?  For any Catholic to believe that the earth is not stationary and founded in its foundations like it says in the Book of Psalms, and like it says many times in books of Scripture, this is a heresy.  Because it is against the divine word of God, which is infallible and inerrant, and it is against the common teaching of the Fathers of the Church which, when they have preached the same thing and given the same interpretation it is also infallible and inerrant.  

    And if anyone says that the sun is not moving about the earth, that it is stationary, this is an error in philosophy, and it is insonorous to pious ears, and dangerous to the Faith.  Because, it is also against the Sacred Scripture – it is also against the Fathers, but to a lesser degree.  And this is exactly what the popes said.  

    Then later, theologians said, ‘When the popes said it was heresy, they didn’t mean heresy like you and I mean heresy.  They didn’t mean error like you and I mean error.  They thought about it differently back then.  Just like when I mentioned earlier in the first sermon, when David went to Goliath and said ‘We’re not the best of buddies’ he didn’t mean it like we do now-a-days.  Well, you know what happened?  Goliath died, because they weren’t the best of buddies!  Because when David went to kill Goliath, Goliath died.  Because back then, they said the truth, and they put it into practice.  

    It’s the modern idiot that doesn’t know what the truth means.  It’s the modern fools that don’t know what it means.  Galileo was very important in the transformation of our thoughts.  

    And what happened?  Descartes comes, and others.  And they realize the problem.  If I cannot be certain that the sun is moving, and I cannot be certain of what I see, there must be certitude, but it doesn’t come from outside.  It doesn’t come from evidence anymore.  It doesn’t come from without, it doesn’t come from witnesses, it doesn’t come from external proofs.  So where does it come from?  It must come from within.  And therefore, Descartes said, Cogito ergo sum – I think, therefore I am.   A more intelligent man on Saturday Night Live said, “I can’t think, therefore I am not.”  

    But the fact is, he was looking for certitude somewhere, you can’t find it outside, so you’ve gotta find it within, and this is a very important preparation for the Antichrist.  Get man to search for truth within!  And no longer search for truth outside, because the trouble with the world is, the rocks, and the trees, and the sun and the moon and the stars and the animals, and all external things point to God.  That’s a big problem for the devil!  And so, he wants us to look into our own nothingness—what is nothing?  Nothing is the exact opposite of God!  

    Nothing is what happens when we turn away from God.  We are ripped away from He
    Who is everything, and we return to a kind of nothingness.  We never fully return to nothingness, because God made us to live forever, and we will:  whether it be in heaven in glory, or in hell in pain, we [tape skips] God will not change His mind.  

    Galileo was very important.  And he put wicked ideas into the world.  And these ideas must be condemned and they WERE condemned by the Church.  What’s interesting, in February of 1615, just before that, I think it was the first Sunday of Advent, 1614, in November or December of 1614, a Father Foscarini, a Franciscan priest, preached a famous sermon in Florence.  And in that sermon, he talked about Joshua making the sun stand still.  And he said, it says in the Book of Judges that Joshua made the sun to stand still.  But in fact, we know, by Galileo’s telescope, and we know by other modern scientists that Copernicus spoke the truth, when he said the sun was in the middle of the world, and not the earth, and therefore, the sun did not stand still.  When God performed the miracle of making the sun to stand still, which is in Judges chapter 10, it was indeed a miracle, said Fr. Foscarini, but it was not true that the sun stood still, it was the earth that stopped spinning.  And therefore the Scripture was incorrect.  It was correct that it was a long day, but it was not correct in that the sun did not stop in its orbit.  

    Because Sacred Scripture does not mean to teach literal science, so said Fr. Foscarini.  In Sacred Scripture it’s telling us historical tidbits, according to the ways and understanding of the times, and Aristotle and St. Thomas didn’t understand these things.  

    A Dominican wrote a letter to the holy office, in February of 1615, speaking about this sermon, and the teachers who agreed with Fr. Foscarini.  And in that letter, he said these things:  These people say:  Words do not mean what they seem to mean.  

    For instance, Joshua made the sun stand still, doesn’t mean that.  Words do not mean what they seem to mean, and they trample upon Aristotle, and they trample upon St. Thomas Aquinas, and they trample upon the certitude of our knowledge, how the foundations of our faith, they attack the very foundations of our faith.  And if the Church allows this to go on, it will be the end of Christianity.  Such was the prophesy of a Dominican in February of 1615.  It has come true.

    Once certitude has been taken away from us – first Galileo, and the sun moving about, then later on comes Darwin – well, that’s before man was created – so then maybe man did evolve from an ape, and maybe the six days aren’t really six literal days.  And then, maybe those men didn’t drown in the Red Sea.  Maybe the Egyptians got tired and went home and maybe they tripped up because their armor was heavy and they couldn’t walk through the swamp, and the Jews could walk through the swamp because they didn’t have armor and chariots, and the Pharaoh couldn’t walk through the swamp.  Maybe that’s what happened!  

    And then, what about Jesus Christ?  Maybe He didn’t rise from the dead!  Maybe He didn’t perform all these miracles – maybe there’s a difference between the Jesus of history and the Jesus of faith!  How do we combat them?  Do we combat them by saying,
    “No! No! Galileo was right!  Darwin was right!  No, no, Scripture is not a book of science!  No!  BUT, Jesus Christ really, really died!”  You’re dead!  

    The word of God is the word of God, or it’s not.  The truth is the truth or it is not.  

    You cannot say, “I accept this part of the truth but I don’t accept the other part.”  We either accept the whole, or in the end we accept nothing.  The devil has ripped everything apart, and wisely so, over the last 400 years.  So that now, Catholic priests and Catholic bishops – what has happened?  Now, many modern men, through modern science, have found God, like Doctor Henry Morris:  who believed evolution, was trained in evolution, and was a geologist studying in the rocks.  And he was a nothing, an atheist.  And he was studying the rocks, and he discovered that the Rocky Mountains here in Colorado and the mountains and Himalayas in Asia, that they are formed by water!  There is sedimentary rock!  And they couldn’t be so high, and couldn’t have been formed unless there was a global flood!  And so he wrote in his treatise that there must have been a global flood sometime in the past.  And then his professor said, ‘Ah! You’re a Scripture nut! You’re a Bible nut!  You believe in the Flood!’ – and he said:  ‘What flood?  What bible?’  He’d never read it before.  He never went to bible class.  And then he looked it up.  And he converted……to Protestantism, and not to Catholicism.

    Had the Catholic bishops, and the Catholic priests, and the Catholic intellectuals in the last 150 years not been cowards, who were terrified of the modern scientists, had they been brave and stood upon what they knew to be true, then Henry Morris would have become a Catholic and not a Protestant.  Then these men that are finding God through science would not be going to Protestantism, they would be coming to Catholicism.  Every day, there are new men that find God through science – every day.  When they see the beauty and order and structure that God created, they see the inter-harmony of all things, they see how all things must have been created at the same time in order for any of them to exist, and they come to God—but they do not come to the Catholic Church because the Catholics are not defending the truth!  

    And if we want to face the reality of the wickedness of modern teaching, we must go to the roots and condemn it from the source and condemn it from the source and we must stand in the truth.  The truth is, Galileo was a heretic.  And Galileo’s teaching caused damage to billions of souls.  And, it matters!  

    Our pattern of our supernatural life is built on the pattern that God made.  He created the universe in 6 days, and on the seventh day He rested, and there are seven ages of the spiritual life, and they fit together.  He made our virtues;  He made our sacraments;  He made the structure of the Church;  He made our supernatural life—all fit the nature that He is the author of.  If we do not believe in the nature that He is the author of, and we don’t believe in the structure that He created, how can we supernaturalize that which we do not believe in?

    The devil is after our souls.  He is trying to destroy our souls, through modern science, modern false priests, modern ignorance, modern foolishness.  And the last example I mentioned in the earlier sermon, one big difference between the old Chinese and modern man:  When you hear amongst the Chinese about a Chinese emperor, and a tailor came to that emperor, and he started to sew new clothes for the emperor.  And they asked him what he was doing, and he said, ‘Well, what does it look like I’m doing – I’m sewing clothes.  And they said, ‘Oh!  They’re very beautiful!’   And finally, he decorated the emperor with his clothes.  And the emperor walked naked through the streets – and a little boy said, “He’s naked!”   When the little boy said, “he’s naked,” all the people said, “You’re right!  He’s naked!”  This is the difference between the Chinese then and the modern fools today.  

    Now the emperor of modern science walks through the streets with his stupidity of evolution, with his stupidity of saying we’re going back to the ‘big bang’ – that we’re looking back through time, we’re looking back 6 billion years – we can’t look back yesterday, but we’ll look back 6 billion years.  And we’re seeing the moment just before the ‘big bang’ – what an idiot!   And the foolishness of evolution – stupid!  Naked!  And then somebody says, “He’s naked!”  And, so what happens this time?  “Oh!  You’ve got a dirty mind!”  And what do they say now?  “Oh!  You’re crazy!”  Well then explain to me what the emperor’s new clothes look like!   “They’re so beautiful, they’re beyond description!”   What color is he wearing – can you explain to me?   “Oh!  They’re so beautiful!  You don’t even understand.  You don’t even ‘get it’, man!”  

    Now, the people are so ignorant, that when the emperor is walking naked in the streets and the little boy says, “He’s naked!” they just simply beat up the boy.  And they crucify him.  And they put him in an insane asylum.  That’s the difference between now and then.  

    There’s several reasons for that.  One of them is, the modern scientist is the modern priest.  And according to that modern priest, you don’t need to go to confession.  There is no sin.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is normal.  That’s become science – ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity has become science.  Abortion has become science.  Birth control has become science.  Living without God has become science.  And there’s another explanation for the universe than God, and this is ‘science’.  And open your Catholic eyes and your Catholic ears, and turn on a little bit of your Catholic brain, and speak to the people on the streets.  Ask them:  Why don’t you believe in God?  “I don’t believe in God because of the discoveries of modern science!”  

    That’s what they say.  “I don’t believe in religion because I know about – we evolved from an ape.  I don’t believe in religion, I don’t believe in science, I don’t believe in the bible – I don’t believe in the bible because the bible doesn’t even know about how we’re spinning around in our universe.  

    What is the effect of this modern science?

    The denial of the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture.  And also, it is a BLASPHEMY.  Why? Because Our Lord Jesus Christ said Himself:  Don’t believe me – believe my works!   And that’s God speaking.  If anyone has the right to say, believe me because I’m God, and I know more than you, and I said it, and therefore it’s true – if anyone has a right to say that, it’s God.  And He doesn’t say that.  

    But then we give that right to an idiot scientist – can you prove, scientifically, do you know all the proofs of why the sun is in the center and the earth is spinning around it in an elliptical orbit?  You should read Robert Sungenis’ thick book, Galileo Was Wrong.  Do you really know?  No, you don’t.  But you believe.  And you believe with FERVOR and faith, because you know science would not lie to you.  That man that doesn’t believe in God.  That man worships satan.  That man who aborts his babies – he would never lie to me!  But God might.  This is a blasphemy against the First Commandment.  

    We take these modern, foolish scientists, and we give them the adoration, the unquestioning obedience, and the absolute acceptance of whatever they say, without any proof.  And yet, when we speak to people about Christ, they say, “Where’s the proof?!”

    He rose from the dead!  “Oh, I don’t know, I mean, people didn’t see back then like they do now-a-days.”   I know – they didn’t have video games back then.  They had EYES.  They didn’t have stupidity in their minds, they had BRAINS, they had thoughts, they had IDEAS.  Now, we’re fools.  Training fools to become more fools.  

    Galileo was a great, wicked man of the modern age, who changed thoughts, who was a real father of the modern revolution – of the scientific revolution – who recognized the real power of this revolution, which was, tell a lie, boldly, claim that the scientist and his tools know better than the poor, foolish people, and they’re above them, they have more secret knowledge that the others don’t have.  And resort to mockery when they don’t believe in you!  And this is sufficient to seduce modern man.  

    We must reject this foolishness.  And it matters for the salvation of souls.  It matters whether we’re going to be pleasing to God.  

    And lastly, prayer:  Why does God not hear our prayers?  If we look at the most sacred prayers of the Church, the Psalms are those prayers.  And in the Psalms, it speaks about the sun, as a bridegroom coming out from his chamber and running about the circuits of the skies.  And it speaks about those people dying in the Red Sea, Pharaoh’s soldiers being wiped out, and it speaks of the creation of the world, that God created according to the breath of his mouth and His speaking of His word.  And it speaks of how God controls science.  Like Psalm 103 tells us how God looks upon the hart;  He looks upon the deer as he’s running through the forest, and God turns His face away, and the deer dies.  

    Who determines the moment of the death of a tick?  Who determines the moment of the death of a dear, the death of a dog, the death of a rabbit?  God.  And we don’t believe it.  We read the prayers and we think they’re nice, but we don’t believe it’s TRUE.  And if we don’t believe the very prayers we say are true, why should God listen to us, who speak lies when we read His works?  

    There’s even a saying from the 19th century priests:  “He’s a liar:  like the second nocturne.”  You know, there are three nocturnes in the breviary.  The first nocturne is always reading the Sacred Scripture;  the third nocturne is always a sermon on the Gospel.  The second nocturne is usually the story of the saints, how they died, how they became martyrs and all their miracles.  And Catholic priests had a standard saying, that goes back 150 years – “He’s a liar like the second nocturne.”  They read it in their breviary every day – this is a mortal sin, if you don’t read that, you see!  And they read it in their breviary, but they don’t believe in the miracles!  They don’t believe in what it says in the Psalms!  And they wonder why they become corrupt, and they wonder why God does not listen.  

    Our prayers are connected to the truth of God’s view of science. Our prayers are connected to the truth of history.  Our prayers are connected to the truth of Sacred Scripture, and if we don’t believe the proof in our prayers, why should God listen to our prayers?  And this is a reason why – a reason why God does not listen to the most prayers of modern men.  

    It is most grave, the heresy of Galileo.  It is most grave, the heresy of Charles Darwin.  It is most grave heresy of the Modernists, who are simply the children – they’re just the children of Darwin and Galileo.  

    We must stand firm on the truth, from its origin—condemn the errors completely, and recognize the gravity of these two grave errors, stand firm upon Catholic truth, and then our prayers will have power again, and God will bring miracles again, back into the world.  

    I’ll close there, and may God bless you all, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.  Amen.  









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    And on Septuagesima Sunday we read the story of God’s creation of the six days.  And this is the beginning of everything.  And all of our supernatural life, all of the history of the world, all the history of our own lives, the history of everything, the history of salvation, is patterned on the 6 days of creation.  They are extremely important.  


      Fr. P. could no doubt speak on this subject for many days and he is
    trying to be brief.  He does not mention a fact of history that is often
    glossed over in this area (not unlike how the Galileo case is so often
    ignored out of fear of ridicule), and that is, after the French Revolution
    when the new government attempted to entirely banish Christianity
    from French society, one of the things they did was to attempt to get
    rid of the 7 day week, by making a new 10-day cycle, with each day of
    the year named after some natural or cultural thing, thereby abolishing
    all Catholic Holy Days and Feast Days.  But it did not work, for after a
    few years people got very tired of this new nonsense, and it is no
    longer remembered that numerous people literally went crazy, as if
    this action was under a curse, and such that to avoid the whole country
    from becoming insane, they had to abandon their experiment in the
    10-day week.  The lesson to be learned is that this sacred number of 7
    days in the week is a fundamental law of human society, and man
    cannot live without it.  But the Freemasons and enemies of God refuse
    to think of it that way, which is why they will not acknowledge the
    historical fact of this having happened in France, during the first years
    of the 19th century, the years of Napoleon I.  





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    Now, from this sense, we can get certitude, from this certitude, we can learn about miracles, and the presence of God.  From this certitude, we can rise to the knowledge that there is a God.  From this certitude we can rise to the knowledge that there is a just judge, who will judge the good and the wicked, and give them their rewards.  But our certitude begins with our eyes.  


      What about blind people?  It is the typical method of Modernists to
    defer to the abnormal and unusual cases as the basis of all principles.  
    They would have the exception made into the rule.  But even the blind
    rely on the sense of sight of others, and their testimony explaining the
    world around them by which the blind believe by their testimony even
    though the blind cannot see first hand.  Man is a social creature, and
    he learns by his own sense perception, but he also learns by the
    testimony of others that they have obtained from their own sense
    perception.  Truth has the power of being known and of being
    communicated.  On this relies all rational thought and intelligible
    communication of man.





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    Galileo realized:  you don’t need to give reasons.  You need to act like you’re smart, you need to act like you know, you need to pretend you have the proof, and you need to lie with impunity, and you need to mock and curse anyone who’s against you and they will all bow down:  Popes and bishops included!  

    And that’s what happened.  Friends of Galileo became cardinals over the next couple of hundred years, friends of his ideas.  And they removed his books from the Index.  He was declared a heretic – or, his doctrine was declared a heresy in 1616, and then it was declared heresy in 1633.  And the word “heresy” was explicitly used by the popes, two different popes.  


      This was over 200 years before the infallible definition of Papal
    Infallibility, so that, when the formulation for that dogma was
    developed, the Galileo case was well known, and even so, it remains
    for all time, and outside of time, that anything once condemned by a
    pope, in faith or morals, is condemned in eternity
    , for God protects the
    infallibility of papal condemnation of error.  Therefore the
    condemnation of the heresies of Galileo cannot be a mistake.  This is
    the Catholic Faith.  Even so, Galileo is not mentioned by modern popes,
    except for the WRONG reasons, e.g., JPII’s apologies.





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    It’s the modern idiot that doesn’t know what the truth means.  It’s the modern fools who don’t know what it means.  Galileo was very important in the transformation of our thoughts.  

    And what happened?  Descartes comes, and others.  And they realize the problem.  If I cannot be certain that the sun is moving, and I can’t be certain of what I see, there must be certitude, but it doesn’t come from outside.  It doesn’t come from evidence anymore.  It doesn’t come from without, it doesn’t come from witnesses, it doesn’t come from external proofs.  So where does it come from?  It must come from within.  And therefore, Descartes said, Cogito ergo sum – I think, therefore I am.   A more intelligent man on Saturday Night Live said, “I can’t think, therefore I am not.”  


      Recently in an open student Latin competition, that challenged
    contestants to exchange out one letter for a different letter in a famous
    sentence to give it an entirely new meaning, a winner said, “Cogito
    eggo sum
    :  I think I am a waffle.”






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    There’s several reasons for that.  One of them is, the modern scientist is the modern priest.  And according to that modern priest, you don’t need to go to confession.  There is no sin.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is normal.  That’s become ‘science’ – ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity has become ‘science’.  Abortion has become ‘science’.  Birth control has become ‘science’.  Living without God has become ‘science’.  And there’s another explanation for the universe than God, and this is ‘science’.  And open your Catholic eyes and your Catholic ears, and turn on a little bit of your Catholic brain, and speak to the people on the streets.  Ask them:  Why do you not believe in God?  “I don’t believe in God because of the discoveries of modern science!”  

    That’s what they say.  “I don’t believe in religion because I know about – we evolved from an ape.  I don’t believe in religion, I don’t believe in science, I don’t believe in the bible – I don’t believe in the bible because the bible doesn’t even know about how we’re spinning around in our universe.”

    What is the effect of this modern science?

    The denial of the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture.  And also, it is a BLASPHEMY.  Why?  Because Our Lord Jesus Christ said Himself:  Don’t believe me – believe my works!   And that’s God speaking.  If anyone has the right to say, believe me because I’m God, and I know more than you, and I said it, and therefore it’s true – if anyone has a right to say that, it’s God.  And He doesn’t say that.  



      “If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.  But if I do,
    though you will not believe me, believe the works: that you may know
    and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father” (Jn. x. 37-38).





    Pablo said:

    Because of worldwide viewing it appears to be multiple posts but it is not.


    Yes, it is multiple posts, pablo..  I provided the links right there so you can go
    and see for yourself.  There are 5 threads right here on CI that all are in
    regard to this same sermon.  The only slack is that you made two threads for
    the same sermon, when it was given in two locations, Post Falls and Denver.  
    So it might appear to be two sermons, but if you were paying attention when
    Fr. gave them, you would see it is the same sermon delivered in two locations.

    I chose the Denver version because it is a few minutes longer, and it covers
    more things.  The only drawback is that Fr. was a bit more tired, and he was
    not quite as impeccable in his diction at Denver as he was in Post Falls, but
    for him, a little less than top form is still about 5 times more impressive than
    just about any other sermon going, and about 200 times more impressive than
    Fr. Rostand or Bishop Fellay!  


    But we should not compare people!  

    I'm sorry, but I just couldn't help it.

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    Remember we are not alone. Many view the two official Resistance sites.


    I wasn't talking about other sites, I was talking about CI, pablo.  I said "threads."






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    Many view the two official Resistance sites.

    paulahaigh.blogspot.com

    for catholic teaching.




    Your is highly inadequate, Pablo.  The sound quality is entirely
    deficient, and much of what is recorded is inaudible.  

    If you would only get the microphone close to the person speaking, then people
    would be able to hear the recordings.

    Especially as time goes on, years from now no one will be interested because
    the recordings are poor quality.  It is very important.  


    At minute 30:00 you get close to the camera while you're speaking for a second
    or two, "But I'd like to ask you a couple of questions before we get started.."
    and that is the only time that there is reasonable quality in the sound!  
    Why?  BECAUSE, you are physically close to the microphone.  

    At minute 33:20 it happens again, when you turn the camera back on and say:
    "Okay, we're back after a short visitor break."  That voice is clear and audible.
    But then it quickly fades away again, just as you walk away from the camera.  



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    « Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 11:55:28 PM »
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  • This is a topic to which Fr. Pfeiffer may well return one day, and when he does,
    he will be all the more prepared for the next "wave" of information.

    It is a HUGE topic, and one with nearly UNLIMITED application.  

    It desperately needs to receive WIDE distribution.  

    Personally, I believe that it will get its wide distribution when Our Lady
    intervenes and converts Russia, but apparently that isn't going to happen until
    a future pope consecrates Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
    together with all the bishops of the world.  


    I find it most noteworthy that this subject of the Collegial Consecration
    does not get any media attention, not EVEN TO MOCK IT.  

    Normally, something that the MSM would have discredited or demeaned
    would get mocking time on the air, like "conspiracy theorists" or "anti-semitism"
    or even "flat earthers" (meant to say geocentrists, but "flat earthers" sound
    better to them, and gets more viewers to sneer on que).  

    But the Collegial Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary does
    not get any MOCKING time, because that would give it exposure.  That would
    give it FREE ADVERTISING. The devil wants it to be forgotten, buried, and
    wiped off the map, like 'Israel' wants for its enemies and "feelings
    are mutual."


    So, you don't hear about the Collegial Consecration.  It's largely up to Fr.
    Gruner to keep the ball rolling, and fortunately, there are other priests who
    have taken up the torch, Fr. Pfeiffer being one of them.  

    We should all be praying for God to give us a new Pope, NOT ONE THAT WE
    DESERVE, but one who will make this Collegial Consecration of Russia.


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    « Reply #7 on: March 13, 2013, 12:40:15 AM »
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  • Of course the mere fact that the Universe cannot orbit the Earth unless well, and universally, known facts of life like gravity and inertia don't exist "out there" is of no consequence at all to anyone adicted to elitism.

    Ignorance and deceit can be sold quite easily if they are mixed up with lots of wordy truisms.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 13, 2013, 12:42:58 AM »
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  • u back, oldavid, with your dogmatic Newtonianism nonsense? Easy to bandy words like "ignorance" and "deceit" when you had never proved geocentrism to be such, nor modern "science"! I remember now, too: you're the one ignoring me (I'm guessing)!

    BTW, weren't you more comfortable at IA? Why waste time here?
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    « Reply #9 on: March 13, 2013, 01:07:25 PM »
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  • Oh, so now a limp-wristed copycat of Galileo's putrid penchant for mocking
    the truth shows up to do a bad job of it.  So what.  In typical fashion, without
    studying the history nor the facts, just hurling epithets of nothing and no
    possibility of having any substantive conversation.  

    Yawn...  :sleep:


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    « Reply #10 on: March 13, 2013, 04:45:05 PM »
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    Oh, so now a limp-wristed copycat of Galileo's putrid penchant for mocking
    the truth shows up to do a bad job of it.  So what.  In typical fashion, without
    studying the history nor the facts, just hurling epithets of nothing and no
    possibility of having any substantive conversation.  

    Yawn...  :sleep:


    You still need to demonstrate that gravity and inertia don't apply to make geocentrism more than just a superstitious fad of a few egotistical elitists.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 13, 2013, 05:37:10 PM »
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  • oldavid, you won't read this, but you need to prove gravity and inertia don't work in geocentrism. Your sad arguments, showing a mind with a intellectual pride, won't move anyone who has an open mind.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this

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    oldavid, you won't read this, but you need to prove gravity and inertia don't work in geocentrism. Your sad arguments, showing a
    mind with a intellectual pride, won't move anyone who has an open mind.

    I've been through all this before but egomaniacal elitists will come at anything, no matter how illogical, no matter how much opposed to completely verifiable observation, to maintain their immensely egotistically satisfying illusions.

    But, just for fun, let's try again.
    Gravity and inertia:

    Take a liftable weight (like a normal house brick) and hold it as high as you can above your head. Quickly remove your hands, releasing the brick.

    Gravitysays that the Earth and the brick are mutually attracted.
    Inertia says that the relatively smaller mass (the brick) will move relatively much further than the Earth when there is no force to keep them apart.

    Are you starting to get the picture?

    I'll do another installment demonstrating the cosmological significance of this observation when I can stop laughing.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 13, 2013, 10:09:49 PM »
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  • Glad to see you didn't ignore me at all, oldavid. Seems to me you just posit the same old argument, as if the earth and sun only matter and the rest of the universe does not. Well, it's been demonstrated time and again: you're wrong! Seems to me you're what you say you are: pot calling the kettle black!

    Indeed, we're going to the same arguments: you not tired of repeating fallacies and I not tired of refuting them!
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this