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Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
« on: September 01, 2012, 02:08:34 AM »
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  • SIX CONDITIONS

    In an official letter of July 18 to Superiors of the Society of St Pius X, its General Secretary revealed the six “Conditions” for any future agreement between the SSPX and Rome. These were hammered out by discussion amongst the 39 capitulants of early July. Surely these Conditions demonstrate an alarming weakness on the part of the Society’s leaders as a whole.

    The first “essential requirement” is freedom for the Society to teach the unchanging truth of Catholic Tradition, and to criticize those responsible for the errors of modernism, liberalism and Vatican II. Well and good. But notice how the Chapter’s vision has changed from that of Archbishop Lefebvre. No longer “Rome must convert because Truth is absolute”, but now merely “The SSPX demands freedom for itself to tell the Truth.” Instead of attacking the Conciliar treachery, the SSPX now wants the traitors to give it permission to tell the Truth ? “O, what a fall was there !”

    The second condition requires exclusive use of the 1962 liturgy. Again, well and good, insofar as the 1962 liturgy is no such betrayal of the Faith as is the Conciliar liturgy imposed by Rome from 1969 onwards. But do we not right now see Rome preparing to impose on Traditional Congregations that have submitted to its authority a “mutual enrichment” Missal, mixing Tradition and the Novus Ordo? Once the SSPX were to have submitted to Rome, why should it be any more protected ?

    The third condition requires the guarantee of at least one bishop. The key question here is, who will choose him ? Readers, in the text of any future “agreement” with Rome, go straight for the paragraph about the appointment of bishops. In 1988 Rome proposed that the Archbishop present a selection of three candidates for Rome to choose one. Rome then rejected all three. When will people get it ? Catholics must fight and fight in this titanic war between the religion of God and the religion of man.

    The fourth condition desires that the Society have its own tribunals of the first instance. But if any higher tribunal is of the official Church and can undo the lower tribunals’ decisions, what Catholic decision of any Society tribunal will still have any force at all ?

    The fifth condition desires exemption of SSPX houses from control by diocesan bishops. Unbelievable ! For nigh on 40 years the SSPX has been fighting to save the Faith by protecting its true practice from interference by the local Conciliar bishops, and now comes the General Chapter merely desiring independence from them ? The Society is not what it was, dear readers. It is in the hands of people quite different from Archbishop Lefebvre !

    The sixth and last condition desires a Commission to be set up in Rome to look after Tradition, with a a strong representation from Tradition, but “dependent on the Pope”. Dependent on the Pope ? But have the Conciliar Popes not been ringleaders of Conciliarism ? Is Conciliarism no longer a problem ?

    In conclusion, these six conditions are excessively grave. Unless the Society’s leadership is shaken out of its dream of peace with Conciliar Rome as revealed by them, then the last worldwide bastion of Catholic Tradition risks being on its way to surrendering to the enemies of the Faith. Maybe bastions are out of date.

    Friends, prepare to fight for the Faith from within your homes. Fortify your homes.

    Kyrie eleison.

    © 2012 Richard N. Williamson. All Rights Reserved.





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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 04:57:09 AM »
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  • God Bless His Grace Bishop Richard Williamson!

    Where would we sheep be without such a Shepherd of Souls?


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 05:22:15 AM »
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  • Obviously Bp Fellay and friends have not read Piers Compton's THE BROKEN CROSS (available free on the internet), or if they have, they reckon it's another conspiracy theory.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 08:05:29 AM »
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  • It has taken H.E. a month to finally comment on the General Chapter in specifics...





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    ...Surely these Conditions demonstrate an alarming weakness on the part of the Society’s leaders as a whole...

    ...In conclusion, these six conditions are excessively grave. Unless the Society’s leadership is shaken out of its dream of peace with Conciliar Rome as revealed by them, then the last worldwide bastion of Catholic Tradition risks being on its way to surrendering to the enemies of the Faith. Maybe bastions are out of date.




    Does anyone doubt that he would have had similar observations if he had been
    present himself? But remember: the first act of the Chapter was to confirm the
    nefarious order of +Fellay to prevent +Williamson from attending the Chapter.  



    What will "shake" the Society's leadership "out of its dream of peace with Conciliar
    Rome?" What could do so? Is it likely to happen? What can we do about it?



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    I just got a Seminary letter from Fr. Yves Le Roux, Winona. It comes with a
    beautiful, one page collage of color photos of the 8 new ordinands at Winona, 2
    of whom are the two Benedictines from Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery in
    New Mexico... Silver City, that is. (There are at least two other Benedictine
    monasteries in NM, which are Novus Ordo: Pecos and Abiquiu.) At the bottom of
    the color page (back side) it asks us to contribute to the new seminary project in
    Virginia -- you know, the one that +Fellay could easily turn over, lock, stock, and
    barrel, to the local bishop if he signs a "deal" with Rome, which could happen at
    any time, according to +Williamson, if you know how to read English and have
    paid attention to his words, including those of this particular EC 268. (Of course,
    the  Fellayites assure us that no deal is in the offing and we are a bunch of  
    weenies for saying the contrary.)

    It's a nice letter, asking us to consider the spiritual value of a retreat during this
    time of Summer when we think of vacations. It's an interesting message, however,
    it is glaringly obvious to me that it comes at the END of the summer, on the
    occasion of Labor Day Weekend in the USA, the "official end of summer
    vacations." IOW: now that summer vacations are done with, Fr. Le Roux is asking
    us to think about what we might do with our summer vacation, now that it's too
    late to plan for it ... HUH? Is he talking about NEXT summer? That would be 8 or 9
    months in the future.

    Or, is he rather hinting at the fact that we may have "missed" something else?
    Is he perhaps hinting at the fact that the General Chapter just took place and
    Bishop Williamson was illegally prevented from attending, and so not only His
    Excellency missed the Chapter, but THE WHOLE WORLD has "missed" whatever
    benefits the Chapter may have had if H.E. had been present?

    Is Fr. Le Roux hinting at the fact that now that we have missed the chance to
    have a retreat during our summer vacation this summer, that perhaps planning
    8 or 9 months ahead of time for next summer would be a way of fortifying our
    homes, by "preparing to fight for the Faith from within our homes?" -- As H.E.
    ends this EC 268?


    And therefore, is Fr. Le Roux indirectly hinting at our need to be prepared for
    what is going to happen in the SSPX during the next 8 or 9 months, while +Fellay
    and the "office help" continue to chew away at the framework of the SSPX like
    a swarm of termites?






    Note: H.E. does not describe what we should do to "fortify our homes." He no
    doubt is going to take that up next week! Or, that is, if we really want him to,
    perhaps we ought to get busy and write him letters requesting that he do so.

    Alternatively, just keep reading CathInfo and see what turns up ..................  :wink:
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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 09:20:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Williamson
    These were hammered out by discussion amongst the 39 capitulants of early July.  (Emphasis added.)


    The nature and tone of these remarks by Bishop Williamson gives credence to Father Pfeiffer's recent comments that claim Bishop Fellay is hell bent (pardon the pun) on reaching a deal with Conciliar, and unconverted, rome.


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 09:54:57 AM »
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  • are you allowed to leave reading material in the back of your chapel..... :reporter:

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 01:08:03 PM »
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  • I would like to say that we should not focus exclusively on the signing of an agreement as the "sell-out issue".  SSPX's problem is much bigger and deeper than that.  And please, don't misunderstand me: I am not saying that an agreement with the conciliar rome would be a good thing; what I'm saying is that the agreement is not the main and final point.

    We must keep in mind that the devil is behind all this, and that he wants to destroy the Church to avoid the souls to have a salvation media.  Destroying the Tradition is part —if not all— of what he needs to do.  So, what he wants now is to end the SSPX since it is by now the bigger group world wide which keeps the Tradition.

    Somehow, the devil seduced Bp. Fellay so that H. E. started to look for a roman recognition.  Some have suggested that Bp. Fellay wanted so from the very moment he became a seminarist.  I don't know whether this is true or not.  However, we know Bp. Fellay and many of H. E.'s collaborators have been seduced by the devil and are leading the Society toward modernism.

    Having considered this, we should be thinking that the devil will try to do whatever fulfills his plan.  Whether it is an agreement or not, we don't know.  But just look around and see how much damage has been done so far and the agreement hasn't been signed yet.  An agreement could open the eyes of many who still don't want to accept the reality.

    I know many say that B XVI wants to reconcile the SSPX with the church and that he is in a hurry to do it, since he is old enough to think his life is close to its end.  That could be true and the devil could be taking advantage of it, but if this is not what the devil has planed, he'll move his pieces to avoid it.

    Thus, my point is that we should not be waiting for something may never happen.  We know the SSPX's leadership has taken the way of the lie and deception and should not be followed.  If an agreement is reached or not, won't change this fact.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 01:16:32 PM »
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  •  i agree, much damage has been done... suspicion, mistrust, even fear, is the norm now in my chapel..... can it be repaired, i don't believe it can.....


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 02:07:01 PM »
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  • We have been waiting for the condensed, short version of this story.

    We now have it.

    We are all obligated to memorize The Analysis of the Six Conditions.

    (We are also obligated to know what the difference is between "essential
    requirement" and "condition." We should be able to respond to questions about
    the appropriateness of putting "conditions" on legitimate authority. This is a war
    on information, and it is our duty to be prepared, so we can state these facts
    clearly and without passion, because we need to exhibit a collected, calm resolve
    redolent of a committed virtue, a high standard of principle, an unwavering
    adherence to the "Faith of our Fathers, living still, in spite of dungeon, fire and
    sword.")

    If Our Good Bishop had the authority he deserves, he could run a rigorous class
    in "Christian Warfare" which would not be entirely different from the BOOK that
    the SSPX sells by that title, inasmuch as it is directed toward the same end. H.E.
    would be the professor, and he could make this a mid-term exam. We should
    study the material as if it were for just such a test. For our test may be coming,
    indeed, only not under academic circuмstances!






    Quote from: Ferdinand
    Quote from: MaterDominici


    .                                                         SIX CONDITIONS


    In an official letter of July 18 to Superiors of the Society of St Pius X, its General Secretary revealed the six “Conditions” for any future agreement between the SSPX and Rome. These were hammered out by discussion amongst the 39 capitulants of early July. Surely these Conditions demonstrate an alarming weakness on the part of the Society’s leaders as a whole.

    The first...
    The second...
    The third...
    The fourth...
    The fifth...
    The sixth and last...
    In Conclusion...

    Friends, prepare to fight for the Faith from within your homes. Fortify your homes.

    Kyrie eleison.

    © 2012 Richard N. Williamson. All Rights Reserved.





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    A Spiritual Work of Mercy - Instruct the Ignorant

    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    Regarding the St. Mary's Star... it needs to run weekly until the sell-out
    or until the deposition of +Fallacious.




    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  



    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  



    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  



    Dust off your printers and get to work, folks. Copy time!

    As Fr. Chazal has said: WAR ON.



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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #9 on: September 01, 2012, 02:25:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ferdinand
    Quote from: Neil Obstat


    This copy of the Eleison Comments needs to be printed out by all of us
    and placed at the back of chapels, under windshield wipers and printed in the St. Mary's Star!  

    Dust off your printers and get to work, folks. Copy time!

    As Fr. Chazal has said: WAR ON.





    Amen to that Neil!


    Alleluia to that, Ferdinand!

    Quote from: Ferdinand, again,
    Quote from: stgobnait
    are you allowed to leave reading material in the back of your chapel..... :reporter:


    Are you going to let some accordista cleric or chapel coordinator (getting their marching orders from +Fallacious) stop you from your Catholic Duty?
    :facepalm:

    Viva Cristo Rey!



    Hey, stgobnait: I have an idea for you. Why don't you write a letter to Fr. Rostand
    and ask his permission to disseminate the EC 268 in SSPX parking lots.

    See what he says, okay?   :idea:

    VIVA LA VIRGEN DE GUADALUPE!
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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2012, 04:08:55 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson at his best! What an awesome issue of EC. Thanks for posting this, Mater.

    God Bless Bishop Williamson.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012, 04:09:20 PM »
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  • i can do that, neil obstat,  and in 'war on'..... does that mean i have to lead the charge..... :shocked:

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 04:15:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Unless the Society’s leadership is shaken out of its dream of peace with Conciliar Rome as revealed by them, then the last worldwide bastion of Catholic Tradition risks being on its way to surrendering to the enemies of the Faith. Maybe bastions are out of date.

    I suspected that Bishop Fellay might have been intimidated by a threat of some worldwide ʝʊdɛօmasonic clampdown if he did not submit the SSPX to Rome. That would explain the chutzpah of SSPX corporate signatory Maximilian Krah's intentional provocation of the hardliners by the flagrant advertisement of his Mossad connections.

    Bishop Williamson's disturbing comment adds to my suspicion.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2012, 04:31:31 PM »
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  • Moderator: Please don't derail threads. Post this in a separate topic if you wish to post it.

    It has nothing at all to do with the latest Eleison Comments, and therefore is off-topic.


    The letter posted below had been on Angelqueen in 2010 after it's partial publication on Culture Wars Magazine. It is as pertinent today as it was then. Roman Authority can only be confronted with Truth: Dogma. Also, His Excellency, + Williamson, does not seem to understand yet that the 1962 Missal has always been considered a transitional Missal. That Rome is doing to it presently, is what was expected and that it has to be dumped by the SSPX as soon as possible.

    Marie Auxiliadora
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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #14 on: September 01, 2012, 04:47:47 PM »
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  • The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)