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Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2012, 07:40:04 AM »
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  • Could we please stay on-topic and not derail virtually any thread? It's unfair.



    This is a most excellent Eleison Comment. Thank you, Your Excellency!
    As SpiritusS. says: Bishop Williamson at his best!


    Now I'd like to quote "Faber" from another forum on the same topic:

    Quote from: Faber @ Sep 1 2012, 15:17 GMT
    Quote from: Seraphim
    On the other hand, I dont like the part about "fortify your homes."

    It could be taken to mean the bishops have no plans to do anything, regardless of what happens, and the best they can advise us is to become home-aloners.


    There won't be a new bastion when this one is slighted. Bishop Williamson has been talking about a loose association of priests and about "only the rosary left" some time ago.


    Quote from: Bishop Williamson

    Maybe bastions are out of date.

    Friends, prepare to fight for the Faith from within your homes. Fortify your homes.



    Very well said, Faber. Genau so ist es. It looks like we Catholics will have to do what our brave Japanese brothers in faith did after their priests had been slaughtered.


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #31 on: September 02, 2012, 08:00:05 AM »
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  • As usual, when there is something profoundly helpful for understanding the devil's
    ploy, something that liberals desire to suppress because it might devastate their
    smoke-and-mirrors campaign, the minions come out of the woodwork to flail
    around over side issues, over diversionary tactics, over contrived controversy.

    Let the liberals flail away.

    Here is a copy of Bishop Williamson's EC 268, and we don't have to fuss and
    fume over whether he said this or not, because it came to all of our email boxes
    just yesterday, and we can see it is legitimate.

    I have printed out multiple copies and I will hand them out to interested parties
    this morning at Mass. I suggest you all do the same.

    Of course, Gertrude the Ingrate will complain, but so be it. Some people will never
    be satisfied with the truth.








    SIX CONDITIONS (EC 268)


    In an official letter of July 18 to Superiors of the Society of St Pius X, its General Secretary revealed the six “Conditions” for any future agreement between the SSPX and Rome. These were hammered out by discussion amongst the 39 capitulants of early July. Surely these Conditions demonstrate an alarming weakness on the part of the Society’s leaders as a whole.

    The first “essential requirement” is freedom for the Society to teach the unchanging truth of Catholic Tradition, and to criticize those responsible for the errors of modernism, liberalism and Vatican II. Well and good. But notice how the Chapter’s vision has changed from that of Archbishop Lefebvre. No longer “Rome must convert because Truth is absolute”, but now merely “The SSPX demands freedom for itself to tell the Truth.” Instead of attacking the Conciliar treachery, the SSPX now wants the traitors to give it permission to tell the Truth? “O, what a fall was there!”

    The second condition requires exclusive use of the 1962 liturgy. Again, well and good, insofar as the 1962 liturgy is no such betrayal of the Faith as is the Conciliar liturgy imposed by Rome from 1969 onwards. But do we not right now see Rome preparing to impose on Traditional Congregations that have submitted to its authority a “mutual enrichment” Missal, mixing Tradition and the Novus Ordo? Once the SSPX were to have submitted to Rome, why should it be any more protected?

    The third condition requires the guarantee of at least one bishop. The key question here is, who will choose him? Readers, in the text of any future “agreement” with Rome, go straight for the paragraph about the appointment of bishops. In 1988 Rome proposed that the Archbishop present a selection of three candidates for Rome to choose one. Rome then rejected all three. When will people get it? Catholics must fight and fight in this titanic war between the religion of God and the religion of man.

    The fourth condition desires that the Society have its own tribunals of the first instance. But if any higher tribunal is of the official Church and can undo the lower tribunals’ decisions, what Catholic decision of any Society tribunal will still have any force at all?

    The fifth condition desires exemption of SSPX houses from control by diocesan bishops. Unbelievable! For nigh on 40 years the SSPX has been fighting to save the Faith by protecting its true practice from interference by the local Conciliar bishops, and now comes the General Chapter merely desiring independence from them ? The Society is not what it was, dear readers. It is in the hands of people quite different from Archbishop Lefebvre!

    The sixth and last condition desires a Commission to be set up in Rome to look after Tradition, with a strong representation from Tradition, but “dependent on the Pope.” Dependent on the Pope? But have the Conciliar Popes not been ringleaders of Conciliarism? Is Conciliarism no longer a problem?

    In conclusion, these six conditions are excessively grave. Unless the Society’s leadership is shaken out of its dream of peace with Conciliar Rome as revealed by them, then the last worldwide bastion of Catholic Tradition risks being on its way to surrendering to the enemies of the Faith. Maybe bastions are out of date.

    Friends, prepare to fight for the Faith from within your homes. Fortify your homes.

    Kyrie eleison.

    © 2012 Richard N. Williamson. All Rights Reserved.


    While Eleison Comments is provided free of charge, there are administrative and technical costs associated with making it available to subscribers worldwide and with operating the site. Contributions to offset these costs are appreciated, and may be made by contacting:

    donate@dinoscopus.org








    The good Bishop clearly announces that "these six conditions are excessively
    grave." We cannot ignore his words, lest we ignore our own peril. Print it, learn it,
    share it. This is something you can do NOW to further the good of the Church.

    You don't even have to fuss about how to get the copy off the CathInfo site and
    into your printer, because here is a .doc file ready to download and print out:

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #32 on: September 02, 2012, 08:10:05 AM »
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    Of course, Gertrude the Ingrate will complain, but so be it. Some people will never
    be satisfied with the truth.


    Let him complain all he likes.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #33 on: September 02, 2012, 08:32:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: Sienna629
    Quote from: stgobnait
    are you allowed to leave reading material in the back of your chapel..... :reporter:


    We can't, on pain of expulsion



    I would recommend that you hire a college student (they're always looking for odd
    jobs!) to distribute the pages to the cars in the parking lot during Mass, just before
    Communion, if possible. The student should be told not to divulge your identity. They
    are not obligated to answer any questions.

    Alternatively, you can ask a friend who is from out of the area to help, someone who
    attends a different Mass normally. Don't discriminate against Novus Ordo Catholics!
    It's possible that you might find someone who is thus encouraged toward Tradition by
    getting involved in fighting for the Faith. Certainly they would understand that no one
    at a Novus Ordo  church would care one way or another about the content of this
    page! But here, an SSPX congregation is likely to be quite interested.

    Be sure to have the SOURCE visible on the page: Eleison Comments or Dinoscopus.

    They can also stand on the sidewalk to hand copies to anyone who is walking out of
    the church away from the parking lot, in case you have insufficient parking and
    some park on the street. It would be unwise to place copies on cars parked on
    the street because they might belong to neighbors or other non-church people, and
    those often are irritated by literature stuck under a wiper regarding the church to
    which they don't belong.


    Great suggestions Neil!

    I remembered placing Fr. Chazal's 'WAR ON' at the back of the chapel here.
    1st, nobody was interested to even looked at it. They were picking some articles on +fellay and 2nd. after the first Mass, the whole 'stack' was taken by a 'lackey' and most probably handed over to the district superior.
     :dwarf:
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
    Fr. Michael Muller, The Church and Her Enemies

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #34 on: September 02, 2012, 08:41:12 AM »
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    Great suggestions Neil!

    I remembered placing Fr. Chazal's 'WAR ON' at the back of the chapel here.
    1st, nobody was interested to even looked at it. They were picking some articles on +fellay and 2nd. after the first Mass, the whole 'stack' was taken by a 'lackey' and most probably handed over to the district superior.
     

    You beat me to it. My suggestion would be to hand out copies after Mass but outside the chapel property.

    It's also possible to put material on a cd/dvd and distribute in the same manner.

    Also material can be translated to various languages.



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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #35 on: September 02, 2012, 08:51:50 AM »
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    the whole 'stack' was taken by a 'lackey' and most probably handed over to the district superior


    Assuming you mean a 'lackey' to mean pro-agreement, perhaps a few people can have a word with him/her. I'm not suggesting you intimidate the person but could they clarify why they are for a deal etc etc. They might change their mind. It's never any harm to have a word with them.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #36 on: September 02, 2012, 08:59:54 AM »
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  • But to keep the thread on topic, the latest EC (Six Conditions) from the Bishop is very clear as to why there should be no agreement with Rome. Even this piece alone is sufficient to highlight why we must oppose a deal.It's only my personal view but to support this agreement is to surrender to the enemy. An agreement is more than compromise, it is a sell out.

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    The Society is not what it was, dear readers. It is in the hands of people quite different from Archbishop Lefebvre!

    The sixth and last condition desires a Commission to be set up in Rome to look after Tradition, with a strong representation from Tradition, but “dependent on the Pope.” Dependent on the Pope? But have the Conciliar Popes not been ringleaders of Conciliarism? Is Conciliarism no longer a problem?

    In conclusion, these six conditions are excessively grave. Unless the Society’s leadership is shaken out of its dream of peace with Conciliar Rome as revealed by them, then the last worldwide bastion of Catholic Tradition risks being on its way to surrendering to the enemies of the Faith. Maybe bastions are out of date.

    Friends, prepare to fight for the Faith from within your homes. Fortify your homes.


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #37 on: September 02, 2012, 09:10:22 AM »
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    Could we please stay on-topic and not derail virtually any thread? It's unfair.



    This is a most excellent Eleison Comment. Thank you, Your Excellency!
    As SpiritusS. says: Bishop Williamson at his best!


    Now I'd like to quote "Faber" from another forum on the same topic:

    Quote from: Faber @ Sep 1 2012, 15:17 GMT
    Quote from: Seraphim
    On the other hand, I dont like the part about "fortify your homes."

    It could be taken to mean the bishops have no plans to do anything, regardless of what happens, and the best they can advise us is to become home-aloners.


    There won't be a new bastion when this one is slighted. Bishop Williamson has been talking about a loose association of priests and about "only the rosary left" some time ago.


    Quote from: Bishop Williamson

    Maybe bastions are out of date.

    Friends, prepare to fight for the Faith from within your homes. Fortify your homes.



    Very well said, Faber. Genau so ist es. It looks like we Catholics will have to do what our brave Japanese brothers in faith did after their priests had been slaughtered.



    Your words are quite chilling. No two ways about it. Remember the Japanese
    martyrs. They might become our role models, and soon. Remember the Cristeros.

    I appreciate your desire to stick to the theme of this thread here, Ethelred,
    because it's quite frustrating to look for material in the forum when it is not
    described by the title of the thread:


     Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268


    That ought to be good for anyone looking for "Manager Williamson EC 268."


    ............Wait a minute................

    Manager Williamson?
    The English abbreviation for Monsignor is Msgr., not Mgr. It seems we forget that
    because of the French "Mgr."

    Maybe we should all just speak French and keep it simple?!   :thinking:


    But back to the topic! I have to admit, that I'm quite uncomfortable with the
    concept that "Maybe the bastions are out of date." I do not like that.

    Call me a stick-in-the-mud, but I prefer a holy Holy Father, and sound catechesis
    at the local parish. I had a few years of that before the age of reason, but it
    wasn't enough! What I received in school and my parish church as a child was a
    fading remnant of the Golden Age of the Church; enough for me to recognize what
    had just happened, but not enough for me to fully appreciate all the effects
    thereof.

    I feel like a child who arrives at the Parade just as the last band is marching by,
    and as they fade away down the street, I see the cleanup crews sweeping and
    the crowds going home. I did not see the whole parade. I did not see the most
    magnificent floats. All I can do is look at the photographs that others took when
    those things had gone by, long ago, before my time.

    It seems to me that this particular EC, 268 is not quite the last marching band
    of the parade. But it is a marching band. Don't miss it. I would like to think there
    is at least one float left before the final band and the cleanup crew. Maybe the
    parade has been stopped for a moment. Sometimes there is a traffic jam even
    when "full speed" is 2-1/2 MPH. But you know, when that happens, one advantage
    of a marching band over a float is, that the band can stand still and play a song.

    Do not miss the music of H.E.'s words here.

    Share the music with your friends today.

    Make someone happy.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #38 on: September 02, 2012, 09:40:56 AM »
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  •     you know what, that actually brought a tear (or two ) to my eyes...... :sad:  we really are in dire straights.....          

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #39 on: September 02, 2012, 12:04:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
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    the whole 'stack' was taken by a 'lackey' and most probably handed over to the district superior


    Assuming you mean a 'lackey' to mean pro-agreement, perhaps a few people can have a word with him/her. I'm not suggesting you intimidate the person but could they clarify why they are for a deal etc etc. They might change their mind. It's never any harm to have a word with them.


    I can tell you from personal experience that talking to this "lacky"  is the surest and best way to be expelled from the chapel!  
    The lacky will dutifully report tto the priest, and of course, mention your name.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #40 on: September 02, 2012, 12:30:01 PM »
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  •  :reporter: their everywhere........


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #41 on: September 02, 2012, 12:36:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Emerentiana
    Quote from: John Grace
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    the whole 'stack' was taken by a 'lackey' and most probably handed over to the district superior


    Assuming you mean a 'lackey' to mean pro-agreement, perhaps a few people can have a word with him/her. I'm not suggesting you intimidate the person but could they clarify why they are for a deal etc etc. They might change their mind. It's never any harm to have a word with them.


    I can tell you from personal experience that talking to this "lacky"  is the surest and best way to be expelled from the chapel!  
    The lacky will dutifully report tto the priest, and of course, mention your name.


    I'm alarmed if people have allowed themselves to be bullied out of leaving the chapels of the SSPX. How are people expelled from the chapel?


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #42 on: September 02, 2012, 02:01:40 PM »
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  • Be prepared: When Bishop Williamson will be excommunicated by the Menzingen, he will ask us whether we're jealous.


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #43 on: September 02, 2012, 03:23:51 PM »
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  • I second the suggestion to distribute this E.C. at your chapel. Just make a stack of papers, and place it there when no one is looking. Even if a "lackey" takes them away and trashes most of them, you tried. And some people got a copy before he discovered it!

    And you never know -- you might be at one of the chapels where there ISN'T a vigilant lackey keeping an eye out.

    Either way, you'll get people talking -- and that's what we want. We're of the TRUTH, not the deceivers who want to stifle all discussion and knowledge of what's going on. We WANT people to be awake, to listen and think for themselves.
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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXVIII - 268
    « Reply #44 on: September 02, 2012, 08:52:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Emerentiana
    Quote from: John Grace
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    the whole 'stack' was taken by a 'lackey' and most probably handed over to the district superior


    Assuming you mean a 'lackey' to mean pro-agreement, perhaps a few people can have a word with him/her. I'm not suggesting you intimidate the person but could they clarify why they are for a deal etc etc. They might change their mind. It's never any harm to have a word with them.


    I can tell you from personal experience that talking to this "lacky"  is the surest and best way to be expelled from the chapel!  
    The lacky will dutifully report tto the priest, and of course, mention your name.


    Bingo!!!  Sounds like our Chapel!