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Offline SeanJohnson

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Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2013, 09:33:21 PM »
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  • Why do the EC's keep ending up in the Sermons sub-forum, where they are quickly forgotten?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Machabees

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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #61 on: June 01, 2013, 10:10:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Why do the EC's keep ending up in the Sermons sub-forum, where they are quickly forgotten?


    I agree...the EC's should be put back in the main headlines.


    Offline MaterDominici

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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #62 on: June 01, 2013, 11:32:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Why do the EC's keep ending up in the Sermons sub-forum, where they are quickly forgotten?


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    Audio/video recordings and text transcripts of sermons from priests resisting the new orientation in the SSPX. Eleison Comments go here. Sermons/articles/conferences NOT favorable to the Resistance should be kept in the main SSPX-Rome subforum.


    I don't make the policies, but I do know that it was only at the request of members that those subforums were created to begin with. I'll ask the boss how hard it would be to display them on the main page in perhaps an abbreviated form.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #63 on: June 02, 2013, 03:37:49 AM »
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    I've got an idea.  

    Since the members seem to be stuck in the rut of deliberately ignoring the
    Resistance Sermons sub-forum out of pertinacious pride or whatever it is,
    perhaps one thread in this forum could list all the links to the many ECs
    that are found in the SSPX-Rome Agreement forum.  Then in later months
    or years, whenever someone wants to find a particular EC based on its
    number, title, date or content, he could simply look in the EC index thread
    in this Resistance Sermons sub-forum, to find the one he's looking for, click
    on the link, and be taken to the right thread in the main forum - or in this
    sub-forum, if that's where that EC is to be found (such a link could refer to
    any forum or sub-forum on CI, actually).  And in the short term, the
    discussion can go on without anyone having to give up their myopic
    penchant for only posting in one forum on CI.





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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #64 on: June 02, 2013, 05:23:51 AM »
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  • Calm down, everyone. The good Bishop is a master storyteller.  He knows to leave his hearers in suspense.  It's not even intermission yet.  


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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #65 on: June 03, 2013, 12:25:52 AM »
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  • In regards to this Sub-Forum for collecting Resistance Sermons along with the Eleison Comments, my thoughts on this would be to then archive the "original" Eleison Comments of each week in the Sub-Forum, and then have the discussion on it in the main headline page.

    Specifically, the reason for this idea is that the discussion of Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop standing up for Tradition, what he does, and what he writes about is extremely important, and harmonious, to everything else in headlines page of the Resistance itself.    

    As his writings are diverse in topics, and poignant at times with new information that needs to be analyzed and discussed, it gives us the opportunity to know what to do and which way to turn.

    Therefore, by bringing back the discussion of the Eleison Comments to the main page, it will keep all of the important discussions together; not fractioned in different places.

    Is this an idea open to others also?

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #66 on: June 03, 2013, 04:04:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    In regards to this Sub-Forum for collecting Resistance Sermons along with the Eleison Comments, my thoughts on this would be to then archive the "original" Eleison Comments of each week in the Sub-Forum, and then have the discussion on it in the main headline page.

    Specifically, the reason for this idea is that the discussion of Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop standing up for Tradition, what he does, and what he writes about is extremely important, and harmonious, to everything else in headlines page of the Resistance itself.    

    As his writings are diverse in topics, and poignant at times with new information that needs to be analyzed and discussed, it gives us the opportunity to know what to do and which way to turn.

    Therefore, by bringing back the discussion of the Eleison Comments to the main page, it will keep all of the important discussions together; not fractioned in different places.

    Is this an idea open to others also?



    The archive of the "original" Eleison Comments in the Resistance Sermons
    sub-forum is a great idea because then they will be easy to find in the future.

    At apparent odds with this is, as you say, Machabees, that the discussion
    of each EC when it comes out seems to be more lively when it's in the
    SSPX-Rome Agreement forum instead of in the Resistance Sermons
    sub-forum.  

    When members contribute comments more, the discussion has a chance of
    growing faster and being more useful.  

    At the same time, Matthew wants to cut down on the server load by keeping
    the forum "lean and mean."

    It seems to me that all these things can be achieved by having, like you
    suggest, Machabees, the "original" Eleison Comments posted in its own
    new thread in the Resistance Sermons sub-forum, so long as the OP has a
    link which takes viewers to the other thread in the SSPX-Rome Agreement
    ("main") forum where the discussion is going on.  (Alternatively, one locked
    thread could be established and "pinned" in the Resistance Sermons
    sub-forum, where the "original EC" posts are at least linked.  They could
    be re-posted there (a duplicate of the OP in the main forum), so then
    a reader could see one EC after another, or, installments like GREC I,
    GREC II, GREC III, etc., could be grouped together.  But this would add
    administrative burden to the mods or someone who they appoint to the
    tasks.)

    Likewise, whoever opens the discussion thread in the SSPX-Rome
    Agreement forum should include a link there in the OP to the "original
    EC thread" in the Resistance Sermons sub-forum.

    It might even be possible to have an automatic subroutine in the software
    that makes that all happen automatically.  But it that might not be in
    keeping with the low server load precept.  This is just a hunch, and I could
    be wrong.

    But since it is highly unlikely that anyone will be interested in posting a
    link to the "other thread" in the OP of each new EC thread, nor are the
    Mods looking for more tasks to perform on the weekend every time an
    EC comes out, the whole idea has little chance of working out, unfortunately.
    It seems to be too much to expect.  

    The ECs could be given a free pass, inasmuch as they'd be the lone
    exception to the rule that duplicate threads would not be allowed. But
    that's going to be a decision that Matthew will make, or, not...............



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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #67 on: June 03, 2013, 07:58:50 PM »
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    Here's the second thread on this EC to show up in the main forum:

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    Quote from: In: Bishop Williamson's most recent Comments,, why were they removed? Ekim
    Noticed the most recent "Comments" of +Williamson were removed along with Sean’s poignant comments.

    I would like to add, with all do respect, that it is difficult to compare the actions of ABL in the late 60's and early 70's to that of + Williamson today.  The Church / Rome were totally different.  ABL still saw a spark of hope in those churchmen that he knew personally.  Perhaps this is why canononical recognition was so important to him (besides the natural desire that every Catholic should have to be united to good and holy Rome).  In 2013 however, Rome is not good or holy.  The spark of hope cannot be seen in these churchmen.  Any hope of a canononical approval is not possible.

    One can only wonder, would ABL still hold the same hope and requirement for recognition by modern Rome in today’s circuмstances before forming the SSPX in 2013 as he did in the early 70's?  Would he just allow the flock to scatter because such approval wasn't possible?  I find it hard to believe that ABL would just walk away without providing Catholics of good will with a structure to continue the faith.

    I believe times and circuмstances are so very different today than they were in the 1970's.  Because of this, battle plans must be adjusted to provide for the faith.  As Fr. Hewko’s said a while back, a priest must have a bishop.  Until the resistance has a bishop they can call their own, a bishop that provides the "Apostolic" mark of the Church, the Resistance, and the true traditional priesthood will suffer a major setback.

    Let us pray that H.E. Williamson provides the Resistance with a visible head that will afford it the "Apostolic" mark of the Church.

    Mary Help of Christians...PRAY FOR US!



    Hypothesis:  CI members in the main are incapable of navigating to
    this sub-forum to engage in any discussion on any topic, including but
    not limited to any of the ECs, such as EC CCCVII, which see.






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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #68 on: June 04, 2013, 03:08:02 AM »
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  • I would like no more sub-forums at all for Resistance sermons and Eleison comments. Sub-forums mean less people looking at them. And the discussions we have at present are very important. We must give more importance to the sermons of the courageous priests who tell the truth and everybody should be aware of the questions risen by the  eleison comments.

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    Eleison Comments 307: Authority Crippled
    « Reply #69 on: June 08, 2013, 03:48:04 AM »
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    CI members in the main, even if capable of navigating to the sub-forum,
    would prefer to not 'go there,' unless it's only to cast a thumb-vote to
    agree with same.


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