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Bishop Williamson - William Wordsworth talk
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This is a really interesting conference because it is our good Bishop talking about a different than normal subject matter





People today despise poetry, they despise it so much that if they print some poetry in a newspaper or in a magazine, they print it just like it's prose, in other words they don't observe the different lines, they just write it one line after one, one line running into the next, they don't divide it according to the lines in which the original poem is divided. In other words they're printing it as though poetry is prose because they scorn poetry, so they disguise it as prose, and so you can never tell or you can often today not tell what is actually originally a piece of poetry because it's printed as prose. Why? Why do people scorn poetry? Because the poets are people who have chosen to express themselves in a special way, to express something superior. In democracy nobody is allowed to be in any way superior, because in a democracy everybody is junk, and the leaders need to behave as though they're junk, and therefore they wear their orange hair as though all scruffy and scrappy and all over the place, as though it's of no significance to tidy it up and make it look presentable. Presentable, the only thing that's presentable in a democracy is trash, poetry is trying to be exactly the opposite of trash, it's trying to express something better, nobler, higher, and when it's no longer got anything better, nobler, higher to express, forget it. So even when somebody does have something better, nobler, and when it's no longer got anything better, nobler, and higher to express, which they're trying to use rhythm and rhyme to heighten, it's got to be leveled out to the level of our crap democracy. Nobody is allowed to be anything except crap in a godless society. So that's the reason why, because poetry is normally somebody resorting to rhythm and rhyme, to express something, something higher.

Higher is forbidden today. There is, we are material, we are materialist, we are materialistic animals, there is no such thing as spirit or anything spiritual, therefore poetry zilch. Because poetry has then got, at its highest, it has something spiritual. It's chasing after some, not necessarily supernatural truths, which is why there need be nothing Catholic about poetry, there need be nothing Catholic about what I'm going to say now. But what happened was, I branched off into poetry, not this retreat, but the last one, and I quoted two or three of my favourite poems, and that caught the interest of some of you, quite rightly, because the Church is concerned with higher things. And therefore, there are many famous poems, which do get associated with the Church, I think that's fair to say.

The poets are, at their best, a noble race of people. Poets can also be sensitive people, and because they're sensitive, they go for the girls. There are many poets that have been soaked in girls, in a manner of speaking. I think Yeats was one of them, and he had no real religion. He had a real gift. Yeats would be another one to talk about. Wordsworth was born in 1770, I think he died in 1850. He was born the same year as Beethoven, which is interesting. He was born, in other words, at the time of the Revolution, the time of the French Revolution. And he went over to France, I think during the Revolution.

And it's notorious that he put a girl in the family way. So William Wordsworth is obviously one of those poets who was sensitive as well as high-minded.

People can be both. But if they are sensitive, they're liable to be attracted by... And there's a number I see in the cat over. There's a huge number of poems he wrote. It's a big book. And it's a small print. So he wrote a lot of poems.

The poems for which he's known mostly come from his earlier age. When he was inspired by the French Revolution, bliss was it on that dawn to be alive, but to be young was very heaven, he wrote.

So it was very heaven for him to be over in France.

But later in life, he got over the Revolution and revolutionary... I don't pretend to be an expert in Wordsworth. I'm absolutely not an expert. But I know a little about him. I certainly like very much a good dozen of his poems. And we'll get to many of them. We'll get to a certain number of them.

He was a friend of Coleridge. There are five great English poets at that time.

Wordsworth, Coleridge, Byron, Keats and Shelley. They're all... The English are good and nothing like as good as the Germans of music. Nothing like as good. The Germans in music excel.

There's... The Germans say there's Russian music. There's Italian music. There's English music. There's French music. And then there's music.

And it's about... For my money, it's about true.

Personally, I love in particular the Viennese masters. Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert and Brahms. Five absolute masters. Top-ranked masters.

All clustering around Vienna, which was the cultural capital of the Germanic world at that time. But the English have the key... Hold their own when it comes to poetry.

The English language is rich because it's... But Germanic, a Germanic basis and Latin... A lot of Latin superimposed... Like the Normans came and superimposed on the Celts and the Saxons. So you've got the Germanic-Saxon language, basically. Drink, drank, drunk. Drink, drank, drunk. Drink, drank, had getrunken. It's obviously a Germanic language, basically. But on top of that comes a lot of French language and a lot of French words, which makes the language quite rich. Young, juvenile.

Two words. There's often a Germanic word and a Latin word for the same thing. Not exactly the same thing, which means that the words carry different associations.

What is poetry? You could say... It's a rough definition. It's a very rough definition. It's somebody using rhythm and rhyme to express something more than ordinary. That's a very rough definition. But the rhythm and rhyme. Rhythm and rhyme are natural to human beings. The rap singers still use rhyme. They have a series of boom, boom, boom. Three rhymes in a row with rhythm. So it shows... The rap music shows the naturalness of rhythm and the naturalness of rhyme. And if you want to heighten an effect with words, you use rhythm and rhyme to do it.

Well, I propose having a look at a sonnet because possibly many of you don't know what a sonnet is. A sonnet is a poem with a rhythm and rhyme of 14 lines. One, two, three, down to 14. And it has two main forms. It came from an Italian, Petrarch.

And it's certainly adapted to the English. It works in the English language. Shakespeare, back in the 1500s, 1600s, on the turn from the 1500s to 1600s, wrote 150 sonnets, some of them very famous. That time in life thou mayest be he behold.

When yellow leaves or none or few do hang upon the boughs that shake against the cold, bear ruin choirs where late the sweet birds sang.

This is... That time of life thou mayest in he behold when yellow leaves or none or few do hang. He's comparing himself as a man to a tree or to the leaves on a tree. Yellow leaves or few or none do hang. It's autumn. So a tree in autumn, he's on his way out.

Bear ruin choirs. Another comparison. Bear ruin choirs, the choir stalls in the church, where late the sweet birds sang. Bear... So he's comparing the tree to choir stalls and the birds that used to sing to the birds that used to sing in the choir stalls of the churches before the Reformation. Shakespeare is grieving for the death of Catholic England. Bear ruin choirs where late the sweet birds sang. So there's another comparison. The poet is often using images or comparisons to cross-check realities and make one see similarities and to understand.

Bear ruin choirs where late the sweet birds sang. That's also himself.

Where yellow leaves or none or few do hang. He's comparing himself to the branches of a tree. And the branches are also compared to the bear ruin choirs of the ruined monasteries, ruined by Thomas Cromwell and Harry VIII. So England had a lot of these ruined monasteries at the time. And it's a very sad thing when they disappeared. It was a very sad thing for England. As Shakespeare well knew. He was a Catholic. There's proof for that. But he disguises his Catholicism so that the Protestants try to claim him for one of theirs. But actually he is a Catholic and in his plays are coded messages. That would be another fascinating lecture. Not perhaps best from me but best from somebody who knows what they're talking about. But few people, few English people want to discover that Shakespeare is Catholic. They'd much rather keep him a Protestant.

Because he is glorious. He's the glory of England. He wrote under the terrible Protestant Elizabeth I.

But it was a remarkable age in any case.

And so he then says, he says, by saying, bear ruin choirs where late the sweet bird sang. He's comparing the branch to himself and the branch as a sign of the decadence of England. So he's saying that he's part, he's sort of saying he's part of an England that's going, going, gone.

In other words, in those four lines, which are the first four lines of a sonnet, you've got a lot of meaning packed in. And the comparisons enable you to think of both ends of a comparison. That I am like a branch and the branch is like a broken England and so on. So imagery is a powerful thing in poetry. But the main thing in most poetry is rhyme and rhythm, which is breaking down in modern times. The modern poets, Yeats says, not like, I'm sorry, it won't come back. Not like, all out of shape from toe to top.

Yeats was a romantic poet born in the 19th century, died, I would guess, maybe the 1930s. Anybody, the death of Yeats?

Into war, I think. Sorry? Between World War I and World War II. I said the 30s. That would be my guess.

A fine poet, not a Catholic, an Anglo-Irishman, but definitely a romantic poet.

I could quote a poem.

And you could see the effect of the rhyme and rhythm. Well, let me see if I can get it in my head.

I've got to crank it up. How does it start? When you're old and grey, he's writing to a woman that he loved. When you are old and grey and full of sleep and nodding by the fire, take down this book and slowly read and dream of the soft look your eyes had once and of their shadows deep. How many loved your... To, to, to, to, to, to... I don't bother. How many loved... Something, something, something.

And loved your beauty with love false or true. But one man, meaning just one man, just one man loved the pilgrim soul in you and loved the sorrows of your changing face.

She's now an old woman. And bending down beside the glowing bars, murmur a little softly how love fled and paced upon the mountains overhead and hid his face amid a crowd of stars.

That's... It's a woman he loved and she's now old and she's got... And he's asking... He's telling her as she's living alone with a fire, next to a fire, no central heating in those days.

Remember that there was one man who really loved you and then you have to remember further that love fled. So maybe he loved her and she loved him maybe at the time, whatever it was, in any case, is the disappearing of love, the theme of that poem. Poems often write about death, death and love, often death or love because those are the two significant things in human life. They're not significant in eternity but they are significant in life. So here is the structure of a sonnet.

Soon, Boon, Moon, June, Be, Lee, See, Worn, Forlorn, Horn, and then Powers, Hours, Hours, Hours, and Flowers.

So what you've got, what you can see here is the structure of a sonnet consists basically of eight lines, eight lines and six. It's usually got two halves. The rhymes, this is the strictest kind of rhymes because there are only four rhymes in 14 lines because Soon, Boon, Moon, Tube, that's one rhyme.

Hours, Powers, Hours, Hours, and Flowers is another rhyme. So you've got A, B, B, A, A, B, B, A, then you've got the six to B, Lee, See, Outworn, Forlorn, Horn. This is not a love poem. It's a poem about the age.

And it shows you that the poet, this is Wordsworth, that that last one wasn't Wordsworth.

It's simply one of the ones I have in my head which stayed in my head from, I was, when I was at school we learned a poem a week at secondary school and we had to, I can remember you had in a class the top, one of the top classes we had to learn a poem, an English poem a week and we had to recite it in front of the headmaster. He had the original copy or whatever it was and then he might make a few comments afterwards and then somebody else came along and recited but the idea of teaching poetry to elevate the blasted children who were running around kicking footballs and doing all kinds of stupid things and I said sports, that's not good. That's good for the body obviously but the poetry is good for the mind. Somebody said it was a good school, it was Athenian and Spartan. It both taught poetry and there was plenty of room for sports.

The sonnet is in eight lines and six lines and you'll see, you can hear, okay now I'll read you the sonnet itself so you can see what's behind these rhymes and you can see the theme.

Wordsworth is not too complicated which is another thing, nice thing about Wordsworth because he aimed at simplicity because at the end of the 18th century he wanted to get rid of a tradition of highfalutin language but artificially artificial language he wanted to get back to a more natural kind of writing and therefore his poems are often quite simple.

This one is not too complicated. The world is too much with us late and soon getting and spending we lay waste our powers little we see in nature that is ours we have given our hearts away a sordid boon the sea that bears her bosom to the moon the winds that will be howling at all hours and are upgathered now like sleeping flowers for this for everything we are out of tune it moves us not great God I'd rather be a pagan suckled in a creed outworn so might I standing on this pleasant lee have glimpses that would make me less forlorn have sight of produce riding from the sea or hear old triton blow his wreathed whore what's this about materialism the world is going materialistic the world is too much with us we're too occupied with worldly things late and soon getting and spending the wives spend of course a lot of the men doing the getting and the wives doing the spending we lay waste our powers little we see in nature that is ours for instance the sea that bears her bosom to the moon now there's another comparison bears her bosom the sea is exposing herself to the moon okay the winds that will be howling at all hours and are upgathered now like sleeping flowers the fact that winds often die down at night for this for everything we are out of tune it moves us not great God I'd rather be a pagan suckled in a creed outworn I'd rather have belong to a rotten old religion a no good old religion but in which at least nature there was a

relationship between man and nature that's why in an old in an old creed outworn outworn by Christianity so might I standing on this pleasant lee so we guess that he is standing on a meadow in a meadow at night on the coast and the sea is there one guesses and the wind is died down that's why he thinks of that too so might I standing on this pleasant lee have glimpses that would make me less forlorn have sight and these are two mythical figures have sight of produce rising from the sea or hear old triton blow his wreathed horn that's greek mythology so he'd rather if with mythology he was in tune with nature he'd rather be that than a materialistic post-christian the post-christian is losing it he's losing contact with nature he's losing he's losing a lot by losing contact with nature in fact of course he's losing his contact with god through nature wordsworth doesn't mention that he does mention god great god and it's not in a blasphemous way but it is god that's at stake that's another story he's not saying that what he is saying is is that the age is going in the wrong direction it's going away from nature it's going away from its natural origin and basis so there you have and all of these lines are what are called iambic pentameters we'll come to that also in a moment but the rhyme scheme shows you the structure of the moon to tune ours and flowers to ours and powers so the rhymes are interlocking of course and then b li c to warn forlorn horn what does the message gain by being in rhyme and rhythm it gains in dignity it gains in class it gains in control try writing a sonnet for yourself the shakespearean sonnet is also 14 lines it's a little differently constructed it's the shakespeare sonnet it's the shakespeare sonnet is line one with three line two with four line five with seven and line six with eight it's got the same it's got the same it's got the same basic structural difference after between eight lines and six lines what's called the octet and the cestet and then it's got it's got another four exactly four the same that's nine with eleven ten with twelve which is the same as this so it's got that's basically three times four and then the punchline which is the couplet at the end could you pull up on a somebody pull up on a smartphone when I no it's not when I when in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes she's when in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes I all alone beweep my outcast state you've got it you had an old education but he learned the old English poets and something stinks it it's it educates poetry is an education it's the


heart of the human heart there's feeling there as well as structure and mind the structure is definitely there okay when in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes I all alone beweep my outcast state and trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries and look upon myself and curse my fate line four and look upon myself and curse my fate wishing me like to one more rich in hope featured like him like him with friends possessed desiring this man's art and that man's scope was what I most enjoy contented least yet in these thoughts myself almost despising happily I think on thee and then my estate like to the lark at break of day arising from sullen earth sings hymns of heaven for thy couplet for thy sweet this is the punchline there's always the punchline for thy sweet self remembered such wealth brings that then I scorn to change my state with kings I'm going to come after you for rhymes for your guessing the rhymes there you can see it's actually in group three times four and then two which is a little different from eight and then six these six are all continuous it's not a final to this so might I standing on this pleasantly have glimpses that would make me less forlorn have sight of produce rising from the sea or hear old triton blow his wreathed horn it's not four and six it's all the way through from nine to fourteen the idea here is the structure of the sonnet which is very structured English poetry has many different structures of poems and we could analyze each of them or have a look at each of them but the point is that poetry is controlled to write it you should try writing it it's good exercise it requires control just like abstract paint abstract paintings are silly and foolish many of them you will observe go from bottom left to top right simply because the painter is slashing the painter so bottom left bottom left to top right it's miserable stuff there's nothing there why is there nothing there because there's no god they're atheists they've got nothing in their souls they've got no beauty to express this sentiment that you know we are being cut off from nature is expressing the value of nature he doesn't go on to express say that it comes from god but at least he's saying men need nature

something men are creatures that need nature we don't just need chemistry and physics technology and computers god forbid but now you know what men are doing because there's just no poetry anywhere no sense of something higher than things material they're now klaus schwaben company are thinking plotting and planning to install something mechanical inside the brain to control the free will they've got absolutely no idea of what a human being is and this is modern education this is these are the people it's it's it's desolating to see the effect of modern education upon young people today it's so empty there's nothing human there and when they come out of that school what do they have he he he at the back there on the edge of going to sleep but not going to sleep he's had an old fashioned education and it stayed with him he's quoted he's quoted several he's quoted a few of the poems already he'll quote I'm sure a number more well let's have a look at another I could it would take some time to write oh this is a beautiful one 258 here he's on the beach right by the sea it's in Cali he's over in France and he has a little girl with him maybe five six years old the the the significance of the little girl is that Wordsworth was had a very happy childhood up in the north of England the lake district a very beautiful part of England one of the most beautiful parts of England and he had he says he had was it a fair seed time my soul had a fair seed

time that's not it that's prose I can't remember the he's with this little child childhood was very significant for Wordsworth because it meant the time when the child is still natural and still in contact with nature and with God whereas when he grows up this is part of a famous poem of Wordsworth intimations of immortality do you ever learn no it's a longer poem I can't find it I haven't found it in here it's a longer poem but it's intimations of immortality means that when we're children we are in contact more with God which of course is perfectly true for many adults adults used to be in contact with God by their Catholic faith and adults who do lean on their Catholic faith and put themselves into their faith draw out of it draw something out of it but otherwise the children to this day unless the sɛҳuąƖizing schools are already on to their innocence at ages 8, 7, 6, 5, 4 it's horrendous what's going on and then to make them change gender to push them to change absolutely horrendous and many of them who've changed gender are now committing ѕυιcιdє because their change of gender supposedly which is only achieved by drugs and surgeons it's not a change of gender human beings don't change gender but they pretend to with the help of drugs and surgeons the children that have changed gender most likely under strong suggestion from their parents what else would make children think of such a thing would you like to be a girl would you like to be a boy


oh yes so they okay off to the surgery oh and they come out it's such a violation of nature that in their teens or later they commit ѕυιcιdє they can't bear themselves it's horrendous absolutely horrendous that's the violation of nature which is talking here we're getting out of tune with nature that's quite a quite a significant poem it's got a serious theme the whole world is going the wrong way there were others who realized it Goethe was also living at this time he was born around 7056 he died around 1830 he had a long life over in Germany he was I think he was a mason his heart was going dry but he knew that he was going dry and he didn't like it going dry he didn't like modern science now if you try to attack modern science on its own ground where it's true it's true in saying that water is H2O so what sulfuric acid is H204 that's about I did a video chemistry school and that's about all I can remember what does that do to the child's heart or the boys the young boys heart or the young girl's heart nothing but of course studying Romeo and Juliet now if the type teacher is wise the boys and the girls can all learn something they will learn something different co-education is a bad idea you want because the girls need to learn something different from the boys because the girls have got a different mission in life from the boys therefore they don't want to be taught the same education I taught briefly in a school in a class with boys and girls literature a subject which I think it was literature I can't remember what it was but I realized that they are so different that they are on different wavelengths and if the teacher is on the wavelength of the boys the girls tune out if the teacher is on the wavelength of the girls the boys tune out they're interested in different things the girls are interested in romance and love always the boys are more interested in things objects so chemistry and physics is okay for boys but the girls will flood the chemistry and physics departments because the boys are there the boys are now the boys are now quitting the chemistry and physics departments because there's nothing in it for them there may be something in it for some some corporation where they're going to make enough money to buy five houses and 15 refrigerators later but in the meantime it's cold and empty and the large part of modern education is cold and empty so the boys are not going to the chemistry not flooding engineering that's another thing which is basically material purely material alright because it's purely material and that matter is determined then sulphuric acid oxygen hydrogen you can rely on behaving like they normally behave when you go back into the chemist office on Monday morning what would it be if over the weekend you couldn't tell that oxygen and sulphuric acid are going to behave the same way you'd be out of job but in these dull subjects these dull material everything is determined

nothing is free nothing is human and that's the way the world is going he's going to be out of tune with nature and you get up on the top of the lead you stand on top of the lead with a chemist and you say oh my I wish I was I wish I belong to a Greek mythology I wish I believed in a Greek mythology I'd be happier seeing this scene and the chemist says the boy who's studying chemistry what are you talking about what are you talking about what you like looking at the sea what's what's the sea got well the sea is a large part of nature and nature has definitely got something for us many of these poems I've noticed looking through the index are about a flower now there's a famous poem let's jump to that it's not a sonnet but a famous poem I wandered lonely as a cloud how many of you know I wandered lonely as a cloud a few more of you had a bit of education if there's one poem that's taught about it is that one so 187 hold on I'll be there in a moment I wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high o'er hills and dales o'er dales and hills when all at once I spied a cloud a host of golden daffodils fluttering and dancing in the breeze beside the lake beneath the trees but I must give you the rest of it I can remember the first verse and that's it I wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high o'er dales and hills when all at once I spied a cloud a host of golden daffodils beside the lake beneath the trees fluttering and dancing in the breeze I'm sorry

continuous as the stars that shine and twinkle in the milky way they they they stretched in never ending line along the margin of a bay ten thousand saw I at a glance tossing their heads in sprightly dance the waves beside them danced but they outdid the sparkling waves in glee a poet could not but be gαy excuse me that's not the modern meaning a poet could not but be gαy in such a jocund company I gazed and gazed but little thought what wealth the show to me had brought so this is an old fashioned person who stands in front of nature and it brings him wealth the chemist would stand in front of the daffodils so what the colour one the colour yellow I wonder how much nitrogen they have in their makeup to hell with nitrogen oxygen and sulphur and so on to hell with it and the world is going to hell a lot of these young people and older people are full of chemistry physics technology computers engineering empty empty empty empty empty for the human heart now the human we don't want sentimentality that's a I wallow in my own sentiments but we do need people who creatures of God who respond to creatures of God and it's objective the daffodils are objective the response is objective it's normal for a human being to dance in his heart when he sees ten thousand daffodils beside a lake it's absolutely normal last verse for oft when on my couch I lie in vacant or impensive mood they flash upon that inward eye which is the bliss of solitude and then my heart with pleasure fills and dances with the daffodils it's charming it's innocent it's a response to nature it's the creature of this creature of God responding to those creatures of God which is absolutely normal and natural daffodils plants respond to music because it's a famous experiment made in the United States they filled four sandboxes

with exactly the same earth with exactly the same atmosphere and warmth and light and they piped Gregorian chant into one classical music into the next rock into the next and silence into the last and the plant flourished with Gregorian music because it's the most of God and full of harmony with rhythm and melody completely subordinate to the harmony music the purest of music that we have the most godly of music that we have classical music was then next the plant that was in rock was all over the place and the empty box served as a standard for the others the modern music was underneath the empty box the plant in the empty box the classical and the well at least certainly the Gregorian was higher than the plant in the empty box and the I forget the details but the idea that that plants respond to music seems strange but it isn't these creatures of God respond to a language of God music is a language of the soul whatever it is it's not the same for everybody Shakespeare has a number of interesting quotes about music if music be the food of love play on there are others I forget

anyway that's not that's in four verses of A B A B and then C C these are iambic petretranses each line is four beats I wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high or hill dales and hills when all at once I spied a cloud a host of golden of golden daffodils this sonnet had five beats this poem each line has four beats it's very flexible in English a line can have three beats but the beats need to be regular pretty regular you can have an occasional reversal or a beat out of place to provide a bit of spice spices the variety variety is the spice of life but basically they must follow the scheme so you've got to fit rhythm as well as you've got there's got to be rhythm as well as rhyme and that's a famous and very popular poem of words it's dead simple you'll agree there's nothing very complicated about it it's not typical to understand there's nothing high polluting there but let's have a look at another sonnet a sonnet on Westminster Bridge one moment one moment one moment two six nine two six nine he was driving out of London early possibly on a Sunday morning possibly on a weekday

morning with his sister Dorothy with whom he was very close two six nine two six three six nine here we are composed upon Westminster Bridge September 2nd 1802 so we're practically we're into the time of the Napoleonic Wars it's after the French Revolution into the Napoleonic Wars and he's inspired as he drives in his carriage with his sister over the over Westminster Bridge at that time was probably the only bridge not no not the only bridge but maybe there was definitely far fewer bridges than there are now London Bridge was downstream and that was certainly existing at the time Westminster Bridge so here's what he wrote on Westminster Bridge and he's he loves nature but he also loves the things of man so long as they're not too unnatural here he's loving the city this man-made city you'll recognize the rhyme scheme earth hath not anything to show more fair dull would he be of soul who could pass by a sight so touching in his majesty the city now doth like a garment wear the beauty of the morning silent bare ships towers domes theatres and temples lie open unto the fields and to the sky all bright and glittering in the smokeless air he moves on to line nine never did sun more beautifully steep in his fine splendor valley I'm sorry rook or hill never saw I or never never saw I never felt a calm so deep the river glided at his own sweet will dear God the very houses seem asleep and all that mighty heart is lying still that's good the


mighty heart of the british empire which was of course growing at that time but they were already it was significant british empire so it is a mighty heart london is a mighty heart even today in its way it's a mighty heart but you can see he says he goes as far as to say that nothing in nature is as impressive as this man-made scene which is a bit remarkable but it couldn't be he couldn't say that about london at that time if the londoners were all against god it would be impossible with all of these gherkins and skyscrapers and so on and so on money money money money money and nothing for the again nothing the architects are trying to break the box pattern which is you know just absolutely four straight lines going up and up and up so they're building gherkins and they're building all kinds of artificial breaks it's still soulless because they're not expressing soul they're simply expressing that somebody wants an imitation of a bit of soul somebody's feeling somebody's feeling people are getting fed up with straight boxes so we've got to put a few kinks in the boxes I bet the cleaners don't like the kinks because it's no longer their job is much more hard with all these kinks they must say what the hell why don't they just build it straight then we get in a box what do you call it a sort of gurney at the top on two ropes and we just go down the building sloshing it all the time and cleaning off the outside dirt here we are again I should be able to read earth

hath not anything show more fair dull would he be of soul who could pass by a sight so touching in its majesty the city now doth like a garment wear the beauty of the morning there's another comparison like a garment imagine the city like a garment the beauty of the morning is a garment which you take on or off when the city loses its beauty under a thunderstorm or whatever the city now doth like a garment wear the beauty of the morning silent bear ships towers domes theatres and temples lie human variety the human variety in the sea it is still human open unto the fields so London is not yet so big that you can't see within range of Westminster Bridge fields so it's absolutely not the monster that these big cities are today which you can only reach by car or train open unto the fields and to the sky all bright and glittering in the smokeless air London had a problem with fog and smog at that time but this is a summer date presumably what did he say autumn September so there was no smog or fog all bright and glistening in the smokeless air never did sun more beautifully steep in his first splendor valley rock or hill that's a compliment compliment to the city never saw I never felt a calm so deep he's responding to what he's seeing his soul is responding dull would he be of soul who could pass by wordsworth has soul it's not a soul filled with God but it certainly is filled with the creatures of God nature and man while he is still in tune and not

completely out of tune with nature the river glided at his own sweet will dear God the very houses seem asleep that's a picturesque expression the houses seem asleep it's yes it's true the houses seem asleep again he's comparing them opposite to human beings and all that mighty heart is lying still pretty good for just a carriage ride over the bridge right he's got talent so that's another of words so he does like human things as long as they're not deliberately out of tune with nature and with God and that's why the tourists go to all of these old towns and old villages which have got some soul instead of these Cartesian these absolute geometrical roads with geometrical box buildings which are actually the city of London you've got all these weaving in and out little streets which remind one of medieval London those little streets in the city must go back to medieval London so there's something a little bit human but the buildings vroom soulless simply because they're only there for money that's what the city of London is for money is soulless as such money as such is soulless another sonnet I was going to give you yes this is a beautiful one one moment I was saying to you he's with a little girl one moment where is it I've got two six eight two five eight and so he's firstly he's got another classic description of the scene it's a beautiful description of a beautiful scene and that's the first eight lines and then he turns to the little girl and says you may not be rhapsodizing or poeticizing in front of the landscape like I am but still you're united with God in ways that we adults don't know and realize and Wordsworth specially appreciated childhood because that's when he felt that he had been closest in tune with God he's not now in the Anglican religion got a religion that's capable of really putting him in touch with the Almighty God like the Catholic religion so he's filling in kind of filling in with childhood with the innocence of childhood that's where there's a kind of worship of children comes in if one doesn't have the true God everything turns to a religion to replace God missing if you've got a God then you've got the right respect of children in God but you also spank their little bottoms at least the boys when they misbehave they're not such little wonders of God that they're faultless and without original sin they need the naughtiness spanking out of them spare the rod and spoil the child is in scripture at least twice maybe even three times it's absolutely that's the word of God in the Old Testament it's not in the New Testament but it is the Old Testament and the Old Testament is the word of God spare the rod and spoil the child I think it's in Proverbs so you're not idolizing a Catholic is not idolizing children he can appreciate that God is in them in a way that God is no longer in adults because the adults have spoiled it with a career of sin however short or long it was or has been but so a Catholic is going to appreciate that God is in children and appreciate that but he's not going to idolize children like parents sometimes do children are for us they're our toys and we may play with them how we like over in the United States the secretary of the seminary which was a good woman she was the secretary of the seminary where I was the rector and she had two

daughters she never had children of her own she was happily married with a strong man she never had children of her own but she did have a sister who had children so she had these two nieces and the nieces used to know auntie Sherry and they must have liked talking to her because she talked good sense back to them good old fashioned sense which children need children need adults to show them the way oh we give them quality time what does that mean we give them practically no time but we're going to hypocritically pretend that it's quality time and that quality makes up for the quantity so I'm only going to give them five minutes a day of my quality time what hypocrisy and stupidity the children need a good deal of time from their adults more at different different ages but both the girls and the boys need their dad and both the boys and the girls need their mum and their biological dad and their biological mum they don't need a third father and a fourth mother which is what they're getting today it's the breakup of the family so that's insane but this is a time when a little girl is innocent and this little girl is innocent and so she's maybe playing around on the beach while he is contemplating the beauty of the evening lines what's it say composed November 18 I'm not sure of that figure I can't sure I'm reading no here we are I'm sorry I was reading a long time post August 18 I think that's 13 1813 it is a beautiful evening calm and free the holy time is quiet as a nun breathless with adoration the broad sun is sinking down in his tranquility the gentleness of heaven broods o'er the sea listen the mighty being is awake and doth with his eternal motion make a sound like thunder everlastingly dear child dear girl that walketh with me here if thou appear untouched by solemn thought thy nature is not therefore less divine thy lies on Abraham's bosom all the year and worships at the temple's inner shrine God being with thee when we know it not so he's God definitely figures in words with the man does definitely have something of God in his heart and mind he's referring to God he realises that that the child is with God in a way that many of the adults aren't any longer and he appreciates that and he there are actually poems where he wishes that he could still have that innocence of the child because he had an innocent childhood himself which was very happy and he looks back to that and and so on okay it is five this is again pentameters pent is the Greek for five and what did I say tet is the Greek for four sort of so a tetrameter is a line with four beats a pentameter is a line with five beats it is a beauty and free the holy time is quiet as a nun breathless with adoration breathless with adoration the broad sun is sinking down in its tranquility the gentleness of heaven broods over the sea listen the mighty being is awake and doth with his eternal motion make a sound like thunder everlastingly dear

God dear child that walkest with me here if thou appearst untouched by the solemn thought thy nature is not therefore less divine thou liest on Abraham's bosom bosom all all the year and no no no that's right thou lies on Abraham's bosom all the year and worships at the temples in the shrine God being with thee when we know it not there's a little difference there for the rhymes it's again a b b a but then it's c d d c it is a beautiful evening common free the holy time is quiet as a nun breathless and adoration of the broad sun so that's a b b sinking down his tranquility which rhymes with free so it's a b b a but then the rhymes change here it was the same it was just two rhymes of each of four words here it's four rhymes of two words a little difference but not significant the gentleness of heaven broods o'er the sea listen the mighty no actually oh boy it's a little more complicated it's the rhyme with free and tranquility is still there the gentleness of heaven broods o'er the sea but the rhyme with none and sun is gone listen the mighty being is awake and doth with his eternal motion make a sound like thunder everlastingly dear child dear girl that walk with me here and this is the same as this the walk is with me here if thou and peers untouched by solemn thought I'm sorry it's different this has got three rhymes of two instead of two rhymes of three this one is two rhymes of three be worn leave forlorn see horn this one this one is what should we say what should we say it walks with me here if thou are in pitch by tell them thought shrine so I've got three different words which will rhyme the gentle of the heaven broods of thou liest in abram it was of all the year rhyming with here and worships at the temples in a shrine rhyming with divine and then god being with thee when we know it not rhyming not rhyming with thought well that's a bit stretched but still could it be not would rhyme with thought oh one moment that's an interesting idea um not not not not not not not not god being with thee when we know it not well okay I doubt it but still again it's it's it's it's innocent he's rejoicing with the child he's rejoicing with nature it's an innocent heart essentially of Wordsworth and he's grown up and he's a bit sorry because he's no longer got that innocence of his youth of his childhood and he hasn't replaced it with a true religion he remained an Anglican to the end of his days he had a significant influence on father Faber father Faber began life as a poet and a disciple of Wordsworth and then father Faber became a Catholic priest and a very famous Catholic priest in England writing a lot of spiritual books which have been very popular and are still amongst traditional Catholics

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His later poems are not nearly so famous or well-known as these poems which mostly come from his youth. He was inspired by a woman, which many a poet is, and he put together a Lucy. There's a series of Lucy poems, there are not many of them, but they're very, very beautiful. But Lucy was not a real person apparently, the biographers was with Moe. She was a composite probably of some. She is young, she does die young, and she means a lot. This figure that he's imagined means a lot from probably women that he knew earlier in his life. Let me find, she dwelt amidst untrodden ways, 119. Do any of you know that one? She dwelt amidst untrodden ways beside the springs of Dove. Dove is a little river up in the north, up in the north there. 119. Hold on. That's wrong. I can't read. I'm sorry. I've got to look her up, because the poem is too precious. Indexed first line. It's very small print, that's the wrong one. Excuse me. I've got to find this. She dwelt among the untrodden ways beside the springs of Dove, a maid whom there were none to praise, and very few to love. A violet by a mossy stone, half hidden from the eye, fair as a star when only one is shining in the sky. She lived unknown, and few could know, when Lucy ceased to be. But she is in her grave, and oh, the difference to me. Quite simple. Absolutely simple. Comparisons with the loneliness of this girl living in backwoods. Nobody knows her. Completely unknown. But she means, this figure, even if words were invented, it still means a great deal to it. Obviously. That's how he's writing, even if it's a bit fiction. Beside the springs of Dove, a maid whom there were none to praise, and very few to love. Like comparison. Like violet neath a mossy stone, half hidden from the eye, or like a star, fair as a star when only one is shining in the sky. Solitary beauty. She dwelt unknown, and few could know when Lucy ceased to be, but now she's in her grave, and oh, the difference to me. Simple, simple words. But quite touching. And then the next one on there is, a slumber did my spirit seal. 187, that should be. 187. And this is again Lucy, dead. The image is, the idea is, she's dead and buried, then she's rolling around like the whole world. She's spinning like the whole world. The whole world is spinning, and Lucy is spinning with the world. A slumber did my spirit seal. I had no human fears. She seemed a thing that could not feel the touch of earthly ears. No motion has she now, no force. She neither hears nor sees. Rolled round in earth's diurnal course, with rocks and stones and trees. Again, the idea of her going back to nature, obviously. And the idea of her reunion with the whole globe, spinning around. A slumber did my spirit seal. I had no human fears. She seemed, it's a kind of vision during his sleep, presumably. She seemed a thing that could not feel the touch of earthly ears. Death. She's dead. Death. But she has some life after death. See, the yearning for life after death, which is natural to the human soul. I don't know if being buried with rocks and stones and trees is really a kind of afterlife. But for words with it is, because he's thinking of the world turning around. He's got a kind of substitute for eternal life in God's paradise. It's, there's a shade of something religious in words with poetry. As I say, he, as one of his fruits was Father Faber, who made his way all the way back to God and the Catholic religion and became an outstanding priest. The solitary reaper. 289. He's on a tour of Scotland. And he sees again, again, it's a solitary reaper. A young woman reaping the harvest all on her own. 289. One moment. It's very beautiful. 289. One moment. This is not a sonnet. And again, it's, um, it's tetrameters. It's four beats the line.

And it's, they are eight line verses. In English, you can have eight line verses, nine, nine line verses, three line, two line. You can even have four word verses. How odd of God to choose the Jews. I think that's Belong. So that's, that's one beat to a line. How odd of God to choose the Jews. It's an eight word poem. How odd of God to choose the Jews. So that's just, those are, those are, those are two word lines. Four, two word lines making eight words. That's not really poetry. But it is expressive. By God, it's expressive. And it expresses a great mystery. You've got to hand it to whoever wrote it. I think it's Belong. It is a great mystery to tell the truth. How odd of God to choose the Jews. We're not calling God in question. Behold, how single in the field, yon solitary highland lass, reaping and singing by herself. Stop here or gently pass. Alone she cuts and binds the grain and sings a melancholy strain. Oh, listen, for the veil profound is overflowing with the sound.

No nightingale did ever chaunt more valiant notes to weary bands. No, it's not more valiant, more welcome notes to weary bands. Of travellers in some shady haunt among Arabian sands. A voice so thrilling ne'er was heard in springtime from the cuckoo bird breaking the silence of the seas among the farthest Hebrides. Will no one tell me what she sings? Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow for old, unhappy, far-off things, and battles long ago. Or is it some more humble lay, familiar matter of today? Some natural sorrow, loss, or pain, that has been and may be again? What e'er the theme the maiden sang, as if her song could have no ending? I saw her singing at her work, and o'er the sickle bending, I listened, motionless and still, and as I mounted up the hill, the music in my heart I bore long after it was heard no more. It's, it's, ah, there you are. He's inspired to, to, she's just a Scottish girl doing the harvest. But it inspires, he's listening to her music, and the music speaks to him. And the music is speaking of something sad. He can pick up the sadness in the music. What is it? He asks himself. What kind of, what, what, what is, what's it about? And the, and then he goes romantic, the, um, um,

no nightingale had ever chaunt, more welcome notes to weary bands, of travellers in some shady haunt, among Arabian sands. Then, of course, Arabian was, was, carried mystery with it. Now it carries, was it, Saudi Arabia, war with Israel, oil, but Arabian then was, had different resonances.

A voice so thrilling ne'er was heard, in springtime from the cuckoo bird, breaking the silence of the seas, among the farthest Hebrides. Romantic, romantic is distance. I don't know what's there. It's mysterious. The distance is mysterious. So the farthest Hebrides. The Hebrides are the islands outlying from Scotland. And there are inner Hebrides and outer Hebrides. And their islands just out in, out in the Atlantic Ocean. So out in the farthest Hebrides. He's imagining a far, far away place. Will no one tell me what she sings? Perhaps the plaintive, which is an elegant word for sad, of course. The plaintive numbers flow for old, unhappy, far-off things, and battles long ago. Or is it some more humble lay, familiar matter of today, some natural sorrow, loss, or pain, that has been and may be again? What e'er the theme, the maiden sang as if her song could have no ending. I saw her singing at her work and o'er the sickle bending. I listened motionless and still.

And as I mounted up the hill, the music in my heart I bore, long after it was heard no more. To gain a resonance that when it's no longer heard, he's still hearing it. So that's Wordsworth.

And what more? I've got a longer poem if you can stand it.

Tintin Abbey. Do any of you know Tintin Abbey? Very vainly. Very vainly, yes. A few hands go up. It's a famous poem with a religious connection. Tintin Abbey is one of those busted monastery churches, which is out in the west. I think it's close to the Severn River. It's a beautiful spot. The monks chose their spots. And it's now a ruin, but it's very evocative. It's very beautiful and it's very evocative. The ruins are beautiful. The ruins are romantic. Ruins arouse feelings of what happened there, what went on. Well, the monks fighting one another and so on and so on. You've heard the story of... Yes, the monks were only allowed to talk once, once a year to one another. And this monk is singing false. So the one next to him whips around and says, crack! Next year, the one that was struck whips around. Crack! That is this neighbour from a year ago. The following year, the superior says, you too, stop fighting.

So, you know, what went on in the monasteries, there was a lot of very human things. St Augustine says, you meet with the best of men and the worst of men in monasteries.

The best of men and the worst. Oh, the devil is at work in monasteries. So it's not all as angelic as it looks, but you know, the record waltzing them, the record waltzing them. It's evocative. The ruins evoke. They always evoke. And the poets, the romantic poets like ruins because they evoke distant times, distant feelings. It's all broken now. It's now a ruin. What was it when it was in its heyday and so on and so on. So one minute, I'll try reading you with Tint and Abby. I'll interrupt maybe from time to time in case you lose the thread.

I think he's with his sister, Dorothy. And the two were very close. And he's traveling, possibly sightseeing, possibly looking for scenes that inspire his poems. So anyway, I've got to find it now. 205. This is again relatively his youth. A little longer. And there are no rhymes. This is simply what's called blank verse, which a lot of the Shakespeare plays are. It's iambic to tramitas. Now, what's that mean? An iambus is a Greek word. The Greeks, like in so many things of culture, they are the pioneers. They are the pioneers. Iambus. And it means a blank syllable and then a beat.

Whereas a troche, that must be another Greek word, is a beat and then a blank. So the two are reversed. Then a dactyl. And that's the Greek for finger, dactyl. So you've got beat, blank, blank. Dactyl.

These are various kinds of English, of English beat. Dactyl is beat and then two knuckles.

Tamtiti. That's tamtiti and that's titan. And then anapiste is the opposite to titan. So you, and you, the shepherd, the shepherd, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Assyrians came down like a wolf on the fold and their cohorts were gleaming in purple and gold and the sheen of their spheres could be tatatati, tatatata, tatatata, tatatata, galilee. So an anapiste is the reverse of a dactyl.

Obviously another Greek word. The Greeks discovered all of these things. That's an anapiste. Now, we had in the last, well, occasionally, in, sorry, an iambic pentameter, an iambic pentameter will be, um, to be or not to be, that is the question. One, two, three, four, five. But, um, whether it is nobler to, whether it is nobler in the mind to somebody?

Suffer the slings. Suffer, that is. Whether it's never in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortress or to take arms against the sea of troubles and by opposing end them. Shakespeare varies so that it's not just titum, titum, titum, titum, titum, always. Wordsworth varies, but not as much as Shakespeare. The great master of English poetry is undoubtedly Shakespeare. He's got the greatest, um, variety of language and he's a superb dramatist and a superb poet, the best poet in the English language and of course also a world famous and undeservedly world famous dramatist. Nobody can imagine his range, the range of characters that he, completely different characters that he creates and so on. So, one moment, Tintinadi. Summers with the length of five long winters and again I hear these waters rolling from their mountain springs with a soft inland murmur. Once again do I behold these steep and lofty cliffs and on a wild secluded scene that, on a wild and secluded scene, impress the thoughts of more deep seclusion and connect the landscape with the quiet of the sky. The day has come when I again repose here under the dark sycamore and view these plots of soft cottage ground, these orchard tufts, which at this season with their unripe fruits are clad in one green hue and lose themselves amid groves and copses. Once again I see these hedgerows, hardly hedgerows, little lanes, little lines of sportive wood run wild, of sportive wood run wild, these pastoral farms, green to the very door and wreaths of smoke sent up in silence from among the trees. With some uncertain notice we might seem of vagrant dwellers in the houseless woods or of some hermit's cave where by his fire the hermit where by his fire the hermit sits alone. Painting of the scene.

These beauteous forms through a long absence have not been to me as is a landscape to a blind man's eye, but oft in lonely rooms and mid the din of towns and cities I have owed to them in hours of weariness, sensations sweet, felt in the blood and felt along the heart, the man has got feeling, and passing even into my purer mind with tranquil restoration, nature restores him. Feelings too of unremembered pleasure, such perhaps as have no slight or trivial influence on that best portion of a good man's life, his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.

That's a fairly modest view of what man is capable of, but there it is, it's valid, it's true. Now or less, I trust, to them I may have owed another gift, a vast bit more sublime, that blessed mood in which the burden of the mystery, in which the heavy and the weary weight of all this unintelligible world is lightened, that serene and blessed mood in which the affections gently lead us on, until the breath of this corporeal frame and even the motion of our human blood almost suspended, we are laid asleep in body and become a living soul, while with an eye made up, made quiet by the power of harmony and the deep power of joy, we see into the life of things. So he's commemorating the effect deep in himself of tranquility and quiet and restoration which recalling the scene out in the country at Tintin Abbey has made on him last time, he's remembering that, and it's typical that he is restored by memory of nature. He goes on, If this be but a vain belief, yet oh, how oft in darkness and amid the many shapes of joyless daylight, when the fretful stir unprofitable and the fever of the world have hung upon the beatings of my heart, how oft in spirit have I turned to thee, O Sylvan Y, the river Y, W-Y-E, thou wandereth through the woods, how often has my spirit turned to thee, and now with gleams of half-extinguished thought, with many recognitions, dim and faint, and somewhat of a... Oh, bother. One moment. Oh, I've lost it. Oh, would you like me to reload it for me? Yes, please. Don't have a talk.

I'm not very good at these questions. That's quite a short time to find our way there. That's all right. There we are. Thank you. No problem at all. And now with gleams of half-extinguished thought, with many recognitions dim and faint, and somewhat of a sad perplexity, the picture of the mind revives again, while here I stand, not only with a sense of present pleasure, but with pleasing thoughts that in this moment there is life and food for future years.

And so I dare to hope, though changed no doubt from what I was when first I came among these hills, when, like a roe, I bounded over the mountains by the sides of the deep rivers and the lonely streams. Whatever nature led, more like a man, wherever nature led, more like a man flying from something that he dreads than one who sought the thing he loved. For nature then, the coarser pleasures of my boyish days, and their glad animal movements all gone by.

Nature to me was all in all. I cannot paint what then I was. The sounding cataract haunted me like a passion. The tall rock, the mountain, and the deep and gloomy wood, and the, the, the, the, the, oh! What's going, what's it, what's it? Might be a flick of the finger, I think. That's it. I'm happy to do it, I think. There we are. Let me see if I can find it for you. There we are. It's a stadium, if you know. Of course, yes, yeah, no problem. It's gone, I know. Oh!

Terrible habit of technology, I'm afraid. Let me, uh, see if we can find it. Books are better. Indeed, books are more reliable, aren't they? Yes. Yes, I think it's, um, you can focus your, uh, your reading that way. I should do the trick. Let me see. I'm sorry for these interruptions, Tim Tim. It's very beautiful. It's, he's, he was there earlier in his childhood, and he remembers how he's running around and bouncing like a boy, and the boyishness is gone, but the deep thoughts, and the restoration in the city, when he goes back to life in the city, he remembers these, these country scenes, and they're nourishing, and they tranquilize, and he feeds on them, in his heart, in the big bad city. Yeats has got similar lines, uh, in the deep pavement's core. Did you, do you know that one? Oh, we didn't do Yeats enough. You didn't do Yeats enough. Yes, yes. Um, Wordsworth to Shelley. Wordsworth to Shelley, yes. Well, you did, you, you hit the high, a high point of English poetry. One moment, uh, what was it? Um, I'm sorry about this. Um, two oh five. Two oh five. These beauteous forms, though a long, through a long absence, have not been to me as is a landscape to a blind man's eye. But oft, in lonely rooms, and mid the din of towns and cities, I have owed to them, in hours of weariness, sensations sweet, felt in the blood and felt along the heart, and passing even into my purer mind, I with tranquil restoration. Feelings, too, of unremembered pleasure.

Such, perhaps, has no, have no slight or trivial influence on that best portion of a good man's life, his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.

Nor less, I trust, to them I may have owed another gift, of aspect more sublime, that blessed mood, in which the burden of the mystery, in which the heavy and the weary weight of all this unintelligible world is lightened, that serene and blessed mood, in which the affections gently lead us on, until the breath of this corporeal frame, and even the motion of our human blood, almost suspended, we are laid asleep in body, and become a living soul. While with an eye made quiet by the power of harmony, and the deep power of joy, we see into the life of things. If this be but a vain belief, yet, oh, how oft, in darkness and amid the many shapes of joyless daylight, when the fretful stir unprofitable, and the fever of the world have hung upon the beatings of my heart, how often, spirit, have I turned to thee, O Sylvan, why? Thou wanderer through the woods, how often has my spirit turned to thee? And now, with gleams of half-extinguished thought, with many recognitions dim and faint, and somewhat of a sad perplexity, the picture of the mind revives again, while here I stand, not only with the sense of present pleasure, but with pleasing thoughts, that in this moment there is life and food for future years. And so I dare to hope, though change no doubt, from what I was when first I came among these hills, when like a row I bounded o'er the mountains by the side of the deep rivers and the lonely streams, wherever nature led, more like a man fleeing from something that he dreads, than one who sought the thing he loved. For nature then, the course of pleasures of my boyish days, and their glad animal movements all gone by.

Nature was to me an all in all, I cannot paint what then I was. The sounding cataract haunted me like a passion. The tall rock, the mountain, and the deep and gloomy wood, their colours and their forms, were then to me an appetite, a feeling and a love, that had no need of a remoter charm, by thought supplied, nor any interest unborrowed from the eye. That time is past, and all its aching joys are now no more, and all its dizzy raptures. Not for this faint eye, nor mourn, nor murmur, other gifts have followed, for such loss I would believe abundant recommends. For I have learned to look our nature not as in the hour of thoughtless youth, but hearing often times the still sad music of humanity, nor harsh nor grating, though of ample power to chasten and subdue. And I have felt a presence that disturbs me with the joy of elevated thoughts, a sense sublime of something far more deeply interfused, whose dwelling in the light of setting suns, and the round ocean, and the living air, and the blue sky, and in the mind of man, a motion and the spirit, that impels all thinking things, all objects of all thought, and rolls through all things. Therefore am I still a lover of the meadows and the woods and mountains, and of all that we behold from this green earth, of all the mighty world of eye and ear, both what they half create and what perceive, well pleased to recognize in nature and the language of the senses, the anchor of my purest thoughts, the nurse, the guide, the guardian of my heart and soul, and of all my moral being. Nor perchance, if I were not thus taught, should I the more suffer my genial spirits to decay. For thou art with me here upon the banks of this fair river, thou my dearest friend, my dear dear friend, and in thy voice I catch the language of my former heart, and read the former pleasures in the shooting lights of thy wild eyes. O yet a little while may I behold in thee what I was once, my dear dear sister, and this prayer I make knowing that nature never did betray the heart that loved her. Tis her privilege through all the years of this our life to lead from joy to joy, for she can so inform the mind that is within us, so impress with quietness and beauty, and so feed with lofty thoughts, that neither evil tongues, rash judgments, nor the sneers of selfish men, nor greetings where no kindness is, nor all the dreary intercourse of daily life shall ever prevail against us, or disturb our cheerful faith, that all which we behold is full of blessings. Therefore let the moon shine on thee in thy solitary warp, and let the misty mountains winds be free to blow against thee, and in after years, when these wild ecstasies shall be matured into a sober pleasure, when thy mind shall be a mansion for all lovely forms, thy memory be as a dwelling place for all sweet sounds and harmonies, O then, if solitude, or fear, or pain, or grief should be thy portion, with what healing thoughts of tender joy will thou remember me, and these my exhortations? Nor perchance, if I should be, where I no more can hear thy voice, nor catch from thy wild eyes these gleams of past existence, wilt thou then forget that on the banks of this delightful stream we stood together, and that I, so long a worshipper of nature, hither came, unwearied in that service, rather say with warmer love, or with far deeper zeal of holier love, nor wilt thou then forget that after many wanderings, many years of absence, then steep woods and lofty cliffs, and this green pastoral landscape, were to me more dear, both for themselves and for thy seed.

You get clearly his sense of nature, and that nature acts as a healing force in the city, and that his consolation is in nature, and his religion is nature, his religion really, his real religion is nature.

You were going to say something? No, probably about the camera.

Okay, that's Wordsworth. It's a sane, peaceful spirit, harmonious, quiet, there doesn't seem to be much violence, or anger, or upset, or passion, but it is a tranquil spirit. And the Victorians fed off these poets. They had an inadequate religion, the Anglican religion. If you have an adequate religion, you don't sort of need the poets, although they have their own beauty, they have their own way of expressing things. A sense of something far more deeply interfused. When he's asleep and reminding nature, he has this sense comes to him of the meaning of life, of the depths of life. It's inklings of God that come to him through nature, and these feed him and satisfy him, and make him content. When there's some deep pavements, core... Yeats writes about how, when he's in the city of London, he remembers his Irish background and the Irish countryside, and it keeps him going in the big bad city of London. This was around 1900.

Same thing. And of course, at the weekends, people flock out to the country, and feed on nature. They go to the mountains, they go to the springs, they go to the beach. But people in the big city need nature, because they're human. And he says, you know, it's my human soul is being fed with these these memories of tranquil nature, and so on and so on. Any questions? Anybody? Yes.

When he talks about Our Lady being our tainted nature's solitary boast, how could he have not become a Catholic having such a clear understanding? Our tainted nature's solitary boast? Yes.

He must have, he probably thought the agronism was enough. I don't know. I don't know his story. I really am not an expert at Wordsworth. But I was asked to continue to talk about one of the poets, or some of the poets. He hated Catholicism, actually. He said, he at one point said, I would spill my blood to save the Church of England from Roman Catholicism. I think it's something inherited from his childhood, which is strange that Carl Bonneum had actually said, well, he was almost a Catholic, despite his own consciousness. No, that's it. That's the classic English prejudice, which is deep in the English soul for many years. Emancipation came in 1829, thanks to all of the Irish that had come over to work on the... Which Wordsworth opposed, he opposed the Emancipation Act. Yes. He hated the French, despite the fact he almost married a French woman. Yes. So yeah, a lot of contradictions there. Yes. Well, maybe it's not contradictions. It's this prejudice against Catholicism, which was which was stamped on the English soul by Henry VIII and Elizabeth. And they did a number on on Catholicism in England. It still exists today as well. It still exists today. It still exists today, that's right. Despite Vatican II. If it's diminished, it's only because of Vatican II, and Vatican II is not a real diminution. No. Vatican II. Vatican II crippled Catholicism, so the Anglicans are not nearly so upset with the crippled Catholicism as with the real Catholicism. Yes. The real Catholicism beats them into a cocked hat. Indeed. Indeed. It's the real thing, and they're false. They're hedge priests. But if it's... When Catholicism becomes as bogus as Anglicanism, then we're buddies. Hobbling us. Then we're friends. Yes. We can afford to be friends because they're no longer superior to us. But when Catholicism was Catholicism, the Anglicans resented it because it showed them up. Just like the the modernists, exactly like the modernists, bitterly resented Archbishop of the Fair because he showed them up. They had betrayed and he hadn't. And today the resistance shows up the SSPX. So the SSPX doesn't like the resistance. Mark, the resistance is not much to boast about quite honestly, but it does hang on to the truth. It hangs on to what the Archbishop was hanging on to and in the way in which the Archbishop hanged on to it rather than the way that the

society is hanging on to it. The society is letting go of it and becoming correspondingly more popular and acceptable in the mainstream church. Exactly the same. It's the same process, in fact. Yes. Is it a resentment, a sort of bitterness, would you say? This, you know, for example, the Anglicans hating Catholicism? There's a bit... It turns to a bitterness, yes. Because I've betrayed and my conscience is rebuking me. And the example of people who haven't betrayed hits on my conscience.

Therefore, I'm angry and bitter. If you had a market of mathematics, and you had all kinds of different mathematics on one huge... in one huge marketplace or on one huge tent, and one kind of mathematics said two and two is five, another has said two and two is seven, another said two and two is twenty, and so on and so on and so on. And there was one stall where it said two and two is four. That one stall would be absolutely unpopular with all the others, because that one stall, being the truth to which people are bound to come back, will put the others out of business, will finish by putting the others out of business. That's why the true Catholicism is always resented, in whatever age, by whatever enemies. Did you have the same mentality towards Catholicism when you were an Anglican? Kind of, yes. It was quiet, but it was there. You know, an Englishman doesn't get near Catholicism, this strange thing. Johnny Forerunner. Sorry? Johnny Forerunner. Johnny Forerunner. Johnny Forerunner. Yes, yeah. Distance of Rome, I suppose. I don't know, but it was, it's an English prejudice. Yes, it was English. Rome and Catholics were strange creatures. One didn't want to know too much about them. They're not English, and so on. It's strange that it didn't exist before the Reformation, that it was an attitude born entirely out of the iconoclasm of the...

No, it is certainly born out, it's because

Protestantism was a real break. Yes. And that's what a lot of people in the new church don't want to admit that Vatican II is a rupture. They try to deny that it's a rupture. Hermeneutic of continuity. Yes. As opposed to the hermeneutic of rupture.

And it's an illusion. You can't mix two and a four with two and two or five or anything else. Yes. Not even with two and two or six million.

Bellop said the Reformation caused the isolation of the soul. So... Yes. That's basically what happens in English. Isolation of the soul. Yes, the soul is cut off and it goes dead. Whereas Wordsworth's soul is obviously, still responding and deeply at least to nature. Tintin shows, Tintinabic, the lines lit above Tintinabic, show how much nature meant to him and what it meant to him. And it's understandable.

But it also shows he's not got a real handle on God. It's an inkling. It's a deep and strong inkling. Well, what were those lines? One moment. What page was it? Two or five. It's a strong inkling. I wanted to stop and comment, but I didn't.

Where is it? It's here, definitely. They are deep and true lines. It's when he's slumbering that this sense comes upon him, creeps upon him, of something really deep. But he said it. That's a good line. The still sad music of humanity. Yes. But hearing oftentimes the still sad music of humanity. No harsh nor grating, though of ample power to chase them subdue. And I have felt a presence that disturbs him with the joy of elevated thoughts, a sense sublime of something far more deeply interfused, whose dwelling is the light of setting suns, and the round ocean, and the living air, and the blue sky, and in the mind of man, a motion and a spirit that impels all thinking things, all object of all thought, and rolls through all things. He's describing God.

Therefore I am I still a lover of the meadows and the woods and mountains, and of all that we behold from this green earth, of all the mighty world of eye and ear, both what they half create and what perceive. Well pleased to recognize the nature and the language of the sense, the author of my purest thoughts, the nurse, the guide, the guardian of my heart, and soul of all my moral being. He's talking about God. He's not talking in religious language. But that description of who he senses behind these tranquil and calm and healing feelings, it's, it's, it is God. And then, you know, in the 20th century it becomes feelings. Can anybody sing feelings to us? Father Shazal sings feelings brilliantly.

It's all, it's all become feelings. And when the feelings are not connected, they're connected to nature. But then when they drive a motorway through nature, it's the end of nature, it's the end of this nature that fed Wordsworth. And then men come to think of nature as simply an obstacle in the way of the motorway. And it's something, nature is not something to be worked with, something to be loved, something to rest one's heart on. Nature becomes something to plant a new housing estate, just completely destroying the view, but it makes me a lot of money. That's what nature becomes. That's Descartes, the French philosopher Descartes. Nature must no longer be loved. Nature must be made to sit up and beg. I think he has an expression like that. It's pretty great. And so you get the brutalizing of nature, which, which is, which is, which is where we're at. So any, any other questions? Yes. Question for me. Wordsworth always found a way of bypassing his religious prejudices through, you know, the old idea of the old idea of English prejudice against Roman, tapping into a sort of deeper meaning through his poetry. And I wondered if you have any, um, well, we managed to do that, I suppose. Well, uh, that, Tintinem is probably the, the, the deepest of, that I know of this poem, that I know of this poem. Yes. Yes. Um, it is beautiful. It's expressed beautifully. And it is a substitute religion. Ah, yes. I think, I think you'd have to say. It's a substitute, nature is a substitute religion. When you kick out God, he leaves a big gap, because he's big.

Infant. Hell-shaped hole. Yes, it is. He's big. So, you know, he leaves a big gap. Nature abhors a vacuum, and all kinds of things come into the gap. Sport, drugs, sex, you name it. Um, and none of them will, none of them work. None of them can. I can remember a verse from an Anglican hymn. I don't remember much of the Anglican hymns, but this one I remember. How sweet the hours I once enjoyed, how sweet their memories still, but they have left an aching void. Um, they've left an aching void that something can never fill. Something like that. Um, the, the time can never fill. I forget. Anyway, um, God is a big gap. And the, the, the, the liberals crusade to fill it with just about anything. As long as it gets filled. As long as God gets shut out, the liberals are happy. Mm-hmm. It's about it. Because they're crusading to get rid of God. It's terrible, but that's what they're about. And do you think the Romantics were the first attempting to do that, do you think? Or they were, or were they in a long line of succession? I, I think it, it, it, the Romantics rose with industrialism. Yes. Industrialism was, was arose first in England. It's not to England's glory that it did, but it was in the first, it took place first in England. And industrialism cut human beings off from the land and cut them off from nature. Yes. And Wordsworth is artificially going back to nature. The farmer who works without, without ever having read, works in nature, spends all his life in and made the things of nature. Horses, manure, um, cows, the sky, rain, and so on. Um, he doesn't write poetry, but he's in nature and in tune with nature automatically. He's, he's, as long as he doesn't have too many machines, he's in pretty close contact with nature. He's working with nature. He's not working against nature. Industrialism is starting to work against nature. The machines and their way car couldn't care less about them. Everything works with this. So Wordsworth is in a way, the Romantics, it's an artificial, it's somehow an artificial commemoration of natural things. Yes. And that commemoration won't solve the drive against it of the modern world. Because the modern world goes on denying God, and is not interested in the sense of something far more deeply interfused. I want to get rid of what it is that's far more deeply interfused. I don't want to go to sleep and have these dreamy pictures, these dreamy consolations. Dreamy, not in a bad sense, but very much a dream. He asks with his sister, if this is, if this is all just a dream, too bad. It's, it's very good. I love it. And it does me a lot of good. He said that, right? In these lines. Do you know, let's find them. If this be vanity, or if this be, what, I don't know how to say, if this be vanity, if this be fiction, if this be, what did he say? It was towards the beginning.

If this be but a vain belief, yet, oh, how often darkness and amid the many shapes of joyless daylight, when the fearful stir unprofitable and the fever of the world have hung upon the beatings of my heart, how often, spirit, have I turned to thee, O Sylvan, why? So he has, he has retained enough normal, of a normal soul in him to need consolation in the big bad city. And he finds it in his thoughts of the country. People, but modern city dwellers, they don't say there's a problem in the city. They, or they deny there's a problem. They may feel a problem, but they deny it. Because they don't have an answer. Wordsworth had an answer. The modern city dweller no longer. So he, he denies that there's a problem. He says, it's not a problem. He says, I ate too much green cheese last night. And therefore, I've had these dreams of God.

Therefore, I've had these, these ideas of God during the night. And that's all baloney. It was the green cheese that was the problem. And I don't have a problem. I've got rid of God, and I'm well rid of him. And thank goodness. And I will plunge on in my godless life. That's most people today. And, but the Victorians fed on Wordsworth because they were like him. They were closer to nature. They were, they were less undermined than their naturalness. Whatever was natural in them was less, less undermined by industrialism, which was only getting going. But the more it got going, the more it took over. And now we're so overwhelmed with the wonder of machines that we want to plant machines inside our own frame in order to become controllable for the rich oligarchs who run the world. So time is passing. It's half past five.



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Re: Bishop Williamson - William Wordsworth talk
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 02:18:22 PM »
Very good talk. Thank you. I was a bit confused about the "bear ruin" , so AI presents it as : " 

Sonnet 73: 



William Shakespeare

That time of year thou mayst in me behold
When yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hang
Upon those boughs which shake against the cold,
Bare ruin'd choirs, where late the sweet birds sang.
In me thou see'st the twilight of such day
As after sunset fadeth in the west,
Which by and by black night doth take away,
Death's second self, that seals up all in rest.
In me thou see'st the glowing of such fire
That on the ashes of his youth doth lie,
As the death-bed whereon it must expire,...


https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45099/sonnet-73-that-time-of-year-thou-mayst-in-me-behold


I'm not too impressed with the last couple lines...as in ..
To love that well which thou must leave ere long.

love what you must leave..???
Catholic spirituality is more of: Despise the world, love only God.
It could also be rendered as to mean love / appreciate those close to you.