Author Topic: Bishop Williamson 2nd conference 12-29-12 (Read 19230 times)

cantatedomino · « **Reply #75 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:04:51 PM »

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gαy marriage is disturbing but far less harmful to family values than the welfare state and divorce and custody laws implemented in the Sixties and Seventies.

Indeed. The welfare system in this country was designed explicitly for the purpose of breaking up the black nuclear family to weaken it and prevent its entry into American society. It is a hygienic version of the slave block, and a repeat of the Indian reservation system.

We can thank racist, eugenic judaeo-masonry for it.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #76 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:06:40 PM »

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However, the seeds for this destruction were sown back in the liberal Nineteenth century when default custody over children from marriage was transferred to the woman. From time immemorial, children inside marriage had been considered property of the man while children outside of marriage were property of the woman and there was no shared custody or responsibility.

This wise and just traditional custom provided effective incentives for keeping sex within the bounds of marriage and keeping families together. The liberal men who wrecked this fine system sentenced their progeny to more that a century of social chaos and destruction. Only after men admit their own abdication, will they be able to reassert their rightful and necessary headship.

Thank you for that exposition. Spot on.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #77 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:10:39 PM »

No one forces women to go with bad men who don't want to marry them.

Columba · « **Reply #78 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:13:36 PM »

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"The man desires a stable patriarchal family system; the woman desires a return to matriliny and de-regulation, a return to the sɛҳuąƖ anarchy of the Stone Age and the ghetto and the Indian reservation. The only possible resolution of this is to make women grow up and choose either to accept sɛҳuąƖ regulation as the quid pro quo for the benefits of patriarchy or to reject the benefits along with the regulation."

Ok, did you catch that? WOMEN are the ones who need to grow up, accept sɛҳuąƖ responsibility, and who secretly prefer wild sex instead of meaningful monogamous relationships. Women really just want wild irresponsible sex! Wow, gentlemen; we sure fooled you. After all those couple therapy sessions, self-help books, and relationship guides your girlfriends made you sit through, it turns out it was all a farce: they'd rather you sleep with them once and never call again. And best of all, the age-old idea that men want sex and women have to reign them in for relationships is really flipped: women are the wild ones who couldn't see the benefits of romance until men showed them the way.

What world do you live in? Have you not observed the sluttiness of "liberated" women at universities and urban meat markets? Such women behave this way because their fathers have either been excluded by their divorcee mothers or have been emasculated by feminist propaganda. Of course it goes without saying that young men would behave this way if they could, but women once served as the gatekeepers to sex. "Liberated," matriarchal women shower attention on the bad boys but still serve as gatekeepers in the sense that they ignore and despise responsible men who show old-fashioned respect for women. Matriarchy satiates criminal bad boys while law-abiding nice guys are left involuntarily celibate. It does not take too long before the nice guys figure out that they need to become criminals so that they too can have access to the matriarchal women.

Patriarchy is absolutely required for civilization to triumph over anarchy. BTW, why would you make such a rabidly feminist post on this traditional Catholic forum?

What rabidly uncharitable remarks! It beggars belief to think that this must be a Catholic Christian even Traditional Catholic Christian ... it really beggars belief and it smacks of the most uncharitable series of comments made!

What you need is to perhaps listen to Bishop Williamson again who might be able to put you right. There are remain who are matriarchal, who sleep around, most of the time they are looking for a MAN, but the man takes advantage and like Bishop Wiliamson said the men are dishrags and the women are still looking!

May we suggest, in all charity, that you find Bishop Williamson and let him put you right!

Sometimes the harsh truth can appear uncharitable. My point is that matriarchy destroys civilization because "liberated," matriarchal women in their young fertile years have a preference for criminal bad boys over responsible marriage-minded men. This creates destructive incentives for men. Have you not observed this trend?

The criminal men could not take advantage if matriarchal women were not gluttons for punishment. Such behavior is inherent to liberated women. That is why fathers must closely guard their daughters until safely married to a responsible man, enrolled in a convent, or demonstrating a truly exceptional capacity for responsible independence. (The last condition is arguable.)

Any woman that has become "liberated" is and is subsequently married is statistically likely to crucify her husband in divorce court. All marriage-minded single men should avoid such women like the plague.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #79 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:16:05 PM »

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Today it is standard practice for philandering or child and/or substance abusing wives to initiate divorce, obtain full custody of the kids plus ruinous child support and alimony. If the victimized husband looses his job and is unable to pay, he is thrown into prison to endure ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rape. Meanwhile, there is almost zero enforcement of father visitation rights and the woman need only allege abuse without proof to stop visitation altogether.

I think the scenario you describe here is very far down the chain of consequential effects. It's the level of barbarism to which we have now sunk.

In the end, however, it is men who have devised this system, which is a stratagem of deadly warfare against Christian civilization.

Yet Catholic men are the ultimate cause of civilization's downfall. There was a time when all of this could have been presented, had Catholic men reigned in their lusts for power and pleasure.

The filthy mire in which we all swim is a punishment from God. We have been taken captives by our enemies because we fell away from God's Commandments.

We have to make our way back indeed, but I'm not going to use this conference as my charter for restoration, because this conference says implicitly that there is no part whatsoever for childless, unmarried laywomen to play in the restoration of all things in Christ. That cannot be possible.

Columba · « **Reply #80 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:20:22 PM »

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Men were fooled by liberalism to abdicate their rule over women and the predictable chaotic results ensued.

The marxist revolution promised men unlimited free sex and freedom from provision for children. They agreed to the bargain - meaning they agreed to withdraw from active governance of their domestic subjects in exchange for pleasures of the flesh.

This belongs to the realm of agency.

Men who want this and learned the skills of female manipulation got what was promised and more because there is now an ocean of "liberated" women readily available. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

The men who lost out are those who wish to see civilization continue and those (perhaps lacking the skills of manipulation) seeking a young lady suitable for marriage.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #81 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:24:22 PM »

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Keep in mind that it takes two to tango, if women were not out there on the hunt, the married men would have no one to cheat with. Just a thought.

I actually have a theory about this. Trad men love to rant and rail against the "modern woman." But what is, exactly, this thing called "modern woman?" Essentially, she's a whore. Essentially she's sɛҳuąƖly promiscuous. Her promiscuity leads to independence from men, financially and otherwise, because no one wants to marry her. This independence makes her smart, clever, and savvy.

Now this kind of woman has always been around. There's nothing modern about her.

I think what trad men refer to as "modern woman" would be better qualified under the title, "problem of modernity."

Back in the day, Catholic men were perfectly happy to live in a society where there were enough whores to go around to satisfy their lusts, and plenty of virgins around to marry.

The problem modernity presents is that there are almost no virgins left. Almost all women are whores. This is an acute and painful problem for trad guys. Hence the reactionism against women. The problem with modernity is mathematical. The ratio of virgin to whore is all wrong.

But that also is God's punishment for Catholic philandering, no?

cantatedomino · « **Reply #82 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:29:52 PM »

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The message I got from the conference was: I condemn thee, go and BE no more.

That's too bad. I don't understand how you got that impression.

Women and men are different. On this we agree. I listened to the conference as a woman, the only way possible for me. I did not make my truth button go off.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #83 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:29:52 PM »

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The problem modernity presents is that there are almost no virgins left. Almost all women are whores.

There is nothing in between?

Columba · « **Reply #84 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:31:04 PM »

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We have to make our way back indeed, but I'm not going to use this conference as my charter for restoration, because this conference says implicitly that there is no part whatsoever for childless, unmarried laywomen to play in the restoration of all things in Christ. That cannot be possible.

Does the conference implicitly hold that? If so, it is likely an oversight made in haste to resist the juggernaut that has so damaged the institution of Christian family. Certainly there has always been a role for the unmarried in the Church.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #85 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:31:24 PM »

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You are incorrect.

Man is the principle of woman. We can thank men for all the heresies and all the errors and all the deformations plaguing the world.

There's nothing more disgusting than a denatured woman, but she is an effect, not a cause.

No, women are capable of thought and agency.

Incidentally, you can confirm for the people here that I'm not mean in person. You told me something to that effect at the conference.

Yes, women are capable of thought and agency.

Yes, you are a pleasant person and I liked you very much.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #86 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:32:59 PM »

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But that also is God's punishment for Catholic philandering, no?

It may well be a punishment but the cause is not philandering. The cause is the betrayal of Catholic men by their leaders and their women, and the families of their women.

The polite fiction that most Catholic women and their families really care more about chastity and marriage than they do about the flattery of the world and social status is the main problem.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #87 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:33:20 PM »

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People who believe this nonsense that "women don't lust" and that philandering caused feminism are are willfully blind to reality.

Women do lust.

I liked what she said in general.

I will add this: Women are more prone to lust when influenced in this direction by media and culture.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #88 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:34:26 PM »

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If we want to understand how feminism gradually overwhelmed modern society ot the point that society now faces potential social collapse, this is indispensable reading. Feminism results from men not holding women accountable. Perverse indulgence of women is an anglo-liberal mindset:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Legal_Subjection_of_Men

Feminism is a tool in the marxist toolbox. Marxism comes from men.

Marxism is an infidel war against the City of God. It's authors are men. Feminism is one of the ways our enemies cause internecine strife, and ultimate fracturing, inside the City.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #89 on:** January 13, 2013, 09:37:46 PM »

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Columba, men have cornered the market on abuse of power.

Barbara, that's another irrational statement.

My name is not Barbara. Where did you get that?