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Bp. Fellay wants back into the mainstream because he knows the SSPX operation was always a messy business. And Bp. Williamson articulates a similar attitude of mind with not much difference between the two in respect of the current Roman entity. Accordingly, we must forget all their agitations about a new church and a new religion because they lack the courage to fight for the old ones. They take the easy way out by leaving it to providence (akin to washing their hands) and continuing to reap the material benefits of being bishops of a sort within the remnant. They serve us badly.      

In one way or the other, that is objectively true.  For all of the decades of complaints about another religion and a counterfit false church, when the pushing and shoving begin, they always step back and will not stand up for those definitions, or draw the conclusions that they imply.

It was always rhetoric intended to seduce the laity, creating a following and then posturing as one of some importance from the old order. What were these original firebrands hoping to achieve by confronting the new order? An avalanche of support that never came? Dire warnings to clergy who were so anxious to reform? Alternative structures that would reflect the solidity of their convictions?

But two generations on we are now faced with backtracking operations because those who are still alive have mellowed somewhat and are limiting their losses by renegotiating their positions. They hope their followers will be too young to be concerned, enabling them to reinvent themselves. Thus, Bergoglio is pope; there is no other. So, deal with it because we have run out of answers!!!!  What more evidence do we need that the leaders of traditionalism are now featuring redundancy as their main platform. Maybe they want to close an unhappy chapter in the history of Western religion.  

A Novus Ordo priest acquaintance of mine, no friend of Tradition but observing the goings on from the sidelines, said this to me:
"They (Bp Fellay & Co.) have taken you for a ride!"

And you told him that no one's been more taken for a ride than the Novus Ordites, right?  

In the 23 years that I have known him he has never once admitted that there is a crisis in the Church. An SSPX priest asked him point blank - Do you think there is a Crisis? No - was his straight answer. He once did lament that much was made about the falling Church attendances in the West due to materialism, but nothing was said about the "thriving" situation in the Church in Africa and Asia. He obviously feels that there was no need for Archbishop Lefebvre to have started his work in the first place, and now, that his successors are abandoning it (something he approves of), he thinks that we were mugs to go along with the "Lefebvrists" - and thus, "have been taken for a ride".

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In the 23 years that I have known him he has never once admitted that there is a crisis in the Church.

In the 23 years you have known whom? Wessex?  2Vermont? JPaul? Bp. Fellay? etc.

The N.O. priest I spoke about in my first post to which 2V replied.

And we pray for those who are blind and can't see the crisis and sin within the Church.

Right now there is a battle between good and evil within the Church.  We do know God and our Blessed Mother will win.   Yes, Churches, schools, hospitals, cemeteries are being sold off but we have the true faith.