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Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
« on: February 26, 2023, 10:19:58 AM »
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2023, 06:36:23 PM »
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    • Thanks for posting MJ. This is an interesting update from Fr Chazal on the state of the Resistance on his return from Brazil. I'm glad Father has eliminated that annoying habit of stroking his beard during his sermons! Interestingly, he confirms that Bishop Williamson has consecrated more bishops in addition to +Ballini.
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2023, 06:47:33 PM »
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    • Fr Chazal says at the end of his sermon that Fr Jahir is dead and buried. I think he means Fr Joaquim. Can anyone confirm that Fr Jahir Britto is still alive?
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2023, 07:18:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on February 26, 2023, 06:47:33 PM
    Fr Chazal says at the end of his sermon that Fr Jahir is dead and buried. I think he means Fr Joaquim. Can anyone confirm that Fr Jahir Britto is still alive?

    At 1:38 or so, he says Fr. Joachim died of cancer. 

    https://youtu.be/9Fg7mzBuLzk?t=95

    He says Fr. Joachim was helping Fr. Jahir up north in Brazil.  So I get the impression Fr. Jahir is fine.

    Toward the end, when he says Fr. "Jahir" is dead & buried, I think it was a misspeak, given what he said at the beginning.  
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2023, 07:53:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: PAT317 on February 27, 2023, 07:18:14 AM
    At 1:38 or so, he says Fr. Joachim died of cancer. 

    https://youtu.be/9Fg7mzBuLzk?t=95

    He says Fr. Joachim was helping Fr. Jahir up north in Brazil.  So I get the impression Fr. Jahir is fine.

    Toward the end, when he says Fr. "Jahir" is dead & buried, I think it was a misspeak, given what he said at the beginning. 
    Correct, Non Possumus (nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com)
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2023, 09:36:44 AM »
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    • Did Archbishop Lefebvre ever said that Rome or those sitting in the throne of Peter no longer has any authority? :confused:
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2023, 11:33:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: trento on February 27, 2023, 09:36:44 AM
    Did Archbishop Lefebvre ever said that Rome or those sitting in the throne of Peter no longer has any authority? :confused:

    No, he didn't. As much as I admire Fr. Chazal, this could be the reason why Fr. Chazal has not been consecrated a bishop yet by Bishop Williamson. Fr. Chazal also mentioned that Bp. Zendejas is starting a seminary in the U.S. Of course it's location will be a secret, and we'll never be given any information about it. That's how it is with +Zendejas. A man of super-secrecy. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #7 on: February 27, 2023, 10:17:54 PM »
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #8 on: February 27, 2023, 10:22:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 27, 2023, 11:33:19 AM
    No, he didn't. As much as I admire Fr. Chazal, this could be the reason why Fr. Chazal has not been consecrated a bishop yet by Bishop Williamson. Fr. Chazal also mentioned that Bp. Zendejas is starting a seminary in the U.S. Of course it's location will be a secret, and we'll never be given any information about it. That's how it is with +Zendejas. A man of super-secrecy.
    Yes, Meg, that is my concern with Fr Chazal, too; just going a bit too far and being too dogmatic about these uncertain matters that theologians are divided about. Let us just do what is necessary and separate from the danger to our Faith, and cleave to antiquity, as St Vincent of Lerins says, which cannot be corrupted, and leave all those finer points to the Church authority when it is in better hands.
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #9 on: February 28, 2023, 09:13:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on February 27, 2023, 10:22:00 PM
    Yes, Meg, that is my concern with Fr Chazal, too; just going a bit too far and being too dogmatic about these uncertain matters that theologians are divided about. Let us just do what is necessary and separate from the danger to our Faith, and cleave to antiquity, as St Vincent of Lerins says, which cannot be corrupted, and leave all those finer points to the Church authority when it is in better hands.

    Agreed. It used to be that Fr. Chazal didn't very often discuss the issue of the heretic popes not having any authority, but he's been mentioning it more and more lately. He's entitled to his opinion, but he must know that it was not the consensus opinion of Church theologians. Hopefully, he won't insist that we must all go along with his view on the subject. He hasn't done that so far. 

    Yes, as you say, we have to cleave to antiquity, and let those finer points be left to authority when it is in better hands. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #10 on: February 28, 2023, 11:37:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 27, 2023, 11:33:19 AM
     That's how it is with +Zendejas. A man of super-secrecy.
    Agreed.  Does he fear the federales are looking for him?  I don't understand the hoarding of information.
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    Re: Archbishop Lefebvre's Line Will Not Die - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #11 on: February 28, 2023, 12:01:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on February 28, 2023, 11:37:01 AM
    Agreed.  Does he fear the federales are looking for him?  I don't understand the hoarding of information.

    That could be it. I seem to recall that several years ago, he was subject to a lot of criticism on this forum about a few things, like the purchase of a property on the east coast. Some of the criticism was unfair, though I criticized him too at the time. Since then, he's been very quiet, for the most part.

    Fr. Chazal is the very opposite! It's good that he doesn't mind putting himself out there for all to see and hear. Criticism doesn't seem to affect him much. But then the Philipinnes is (or was) a Catholic country, and might not be as subject to anti-Catholic persecution as here in the U.S.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29
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