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Offline TheRecusant

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Yet another paper cut... ...involving guitars!
« on: June 16, 2013, 01:47:56 PM »
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  • At Mass today, at an SSPX chapel in Austria, the priest brought in two Novus Ordo lay women to play guitars during Mass. Because it was a First Holy Communion. I know, it sounds too good to be true. Guitars! But I promise you, I'm not making this up, and my source is very reliable.

    It's only one more tiny piece of evidence of the way things are going. Any one of which might be explained away as an abberation. But all of them taken together, they paint a big picture which is alarming. Just thought I had to tell someone. As you were!


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    « Reply #1 on: June 16, 2013, 01:54:40 PM »
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  • Yeah, well, see, that's the hook, innit?  A slow death of tradition is much more palatable when it's to the tune of nice ladies with guitars.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 16, 2013, 02:00:43 PM »
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  • This is an 'ordinary form' by a priest, who offers both 'extraordinary form' and 'ordinary form' Note the guitar early on. He is a very holy priest. A hermit. I met him once and on hearing I attend the SSPX, he literally jumped back. "They are not there yet" he said to me. I took him to mean, they "haven't come home". Such nonsense


    Fr. David Jones - 4th October 2012, St Francis, Youth Mass

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    « Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 02:05:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: Novus Weirdo
    Yeah, well, see, that's the hook, innit?  A slow death of tradition is much more palatable when it's to the tune of nice ladies with guitars.


    Indeed. Like Fr Jones I just mentioned. He is a spiritual man. People already say that he says the Mass with such reverence.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 02:09:12 PM »
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  • A few of us used to run the Catholic Perspective blog. There was a parting and some founded Thought and Action. From A Traditional Catholic Perspective blog is the old Catholic Perspective. They couldn't agree with a pro-SSPX and Bishop Williamson stance.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 02:13:19 PM »
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    Yeah, well, see, that's the hook, innit?  A slow death of tradition is much more palatable when it's to the tune of nice ladies with guitars.


    "No, no, no. It's not realy like that, not at all!
    If you look at the context of the guitars, you'll see that they weren't really guitars, they were actually just wooden boxes of a particular shape with strings. And even if some people might, in their misunderstnading, consider them to be guitars, they weren't really being played. The ladies' fingers just happened to get caught on the strings when she moved her hand, and as it happened this took place repeatedly in a short space of time. And was it really during Mass? True, Mass had begun beforehand, and didn't end till after this incident took place, and Mass was of a normal length, but do you know for certain that this actually happened during Mass?

    Look, let me clarify our position. We have always been against guitars being played during Mass, and we still are. Our position is the position of Archbishop Lefebvre, we make his position our own, and this incident doesn't alter that stance one bit. You Resistance people are such calumniators, you're just desperate to make it look like we've changed when anyone can see that we haven't changed one bit. You're just intent on sowing distrust towards legitimate superiors, which is sinful, because you have no evidence whatsoever, just a load of made up stuff, and some perfectly innocent things which you always deliberately view in the worst possible light, through dark glasses.
    ...Poor people who are so misled by their mistrust. "

     :rolleyes:

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    « Reply #6 on: June 16, 2013, 02:51:36 PM »
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  •  :really-mad2:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #7 on: June 16, 2013, 03:06:24 PM »
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  • In the same vein, the woman beside me and the woman in front of me were NOT wearing pants for Mass at an American SSPX chapel this morning.  They were wearing skirts of the kind to cover the legs individually.  The "individu-leg skirt" offers full skin coverage from waist to ankle for optimal coverage and modesty.  In these hazardous times, one cannot be too prudent about covering one's body.  
    Contrary to the rumors circulating after Mass, the woman wearing the plaid individu-leg skirt was NOT bare-headed.  Anyone who says so has been unduly influenced by enemies of the Superior General, particularly those calling themselves "the Resistance," as if there were need of resisting.  The unfairly maligned lady was wearing a hairpiece, a very FULL hairpiece that covered her head far better than a little doily or one of the see-through lace "mantillas" that leave nothing to the angels' imagination.
    Because the supposedly improperly dressed women are long-term members and generous benefactors of the chapel, it is obvious that they possess the graces necessary to set good example, and that any further criticism of them indicates one with a divisive spirit.
    It is understandable for parishioners to be concerned that proper decorum be observed in Our Lord's house; I trust this letter puts to rest undue concern that the SSPX continues to "hold the line" of Catholic Tradition in honor of our venerable founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #8 on: June 16, 2013, 03:38:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheRecusant
    At Mass today, at an SSPX chapel in Austria, the priest brought in two Novus Ordo lay women to play guitars during Mass.


    One of the highly positive unintended and unexpected consequences of my return to Tradition a decade ago was that after a year or two, when the realization that I would never again be surprised or outraged by another hippie, folk, or generic weirdo mass reached full bloom, the loathing I had developed over the prior decades for the very look and sound of the instrument subsided to the point where I could listen once again with real satisfaction to my many Julian Bream and John Williams recordings.

    As bizarre as it may sound, the preceding is no gag.

    May the joys of the gulag be visited upon any cleric who gets between me and the Bach lute suites.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 16, 2013, 05:53:46 PM »
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  • This new and fresh episode of ExSPX reminds me this cartoon
    Non Habemus Papam

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    « Reply #10 on: June 16, 2013, 06:04:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    In the same vein, the woman beside me and the woman in front of me were NOT wearing pants for Mass at an American SSPX chapel this morning.  They were wearing skirts of the kind to cover the legs individually.  The "individu-leg skirt" offers full skin coverage from waist to ankle for optimal coverage and modesty.  In these hazardous times, one cannot be too prudent about covering one's body.  
    Contrary to the rumors circulating after Mass, the woman wearing the plaid individu-leg skirt was NOT bare-headed.  Anyone who says so has been unduly influenced by enemies of the Superior General, particularly those calling themselves "the Resistance," as if there were need of resisting.  The unfairly maligned lady was wearing a hairpiece, a very FULL hairpiece that covered her head far better than a little doily or one of the see-through lace "mantillas" that leave nothing to the angels' imagination.
    Because the supposedly improperly dressed women are long-term members and generous benefactors of the chapel, it is obvious that they possess the graces necessary to set good example, and that any further criticism of them indicates one with a divisive spirit.
    It is understandable for parishioners to be concerned that proper decorum be observed in Our Lord's house; I trust this letter puts to rest undue concern that the SSPX continues to "hold the line" of Catholic Tradition in honor of our venerable founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.



    What's with these women?  Would it just KILL them to wear a real skirt for one hour?


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    « Reply #11 on: June 16, 2013, 06:13:50 PM »
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    What's with these women?  Would it just KILL them to wear a real skirt for one hour?


    Requiring skirts is demeaning to women. (translation: they are in rebellion against traditional standards of dress because it symbolizes the pre-feminist social order)

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    « Reply #12 on: June 16, 2013, 06:36:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheRecusant
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    Yeah, well, see, that's the hook, innit?  A slow death of tradition is much more palatable when it's to the tune of nice ladies with guitars.


    "No, no, no. It's not realy like that, not at all!
    If you look at the context of the guitars, you'll see that they weren't really guitars, they were actually just wooden boxes of a particular shape with strings. And even if some people might, in their misunderstnading, consider them to be guitars, they weren't really being played. The ladies' fingers just happened to get caught on the strings when she moved her hand, and as it happened this took place repeatedly in a short space of time. And was it really during Mass? True, Mass had begun beforehand, and didn't end till after this incident took place, and Mass was of a normal length, but do you know for certain that this actually happened during Mass?

    Look, let me clarify our position. We have always been against guitars being played during Mass, and we still are. Our position is the position of Archbishop Lefebvre, we make his position our own, and this incident doesn't alter that stance one bit. You Resistance people are such calumniators, you're just desperate to make it look like we've changed when anyone can see that we haven't changed one bit. You're just intent on sowing distrust towards legitimate superiors, which is sinful, because you have no evidence whatsoever, just a load of made up stuff, and some perfectly innocent things which you always deliberately view in the worst possible light, through dark glasses.
    ...Poor people who are so misled by their mistrust. "

     :rolleyes:


    That is what I had to deal with for an hour and a half this afternoon while meeting with Fr. Themann.  :facepalm:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #13 on: June 16, 2013, 06:45:19 PM »
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    That is what I had to deal with for an hour and a half this afternoon while meeting with Fr. Themann.  :facepalm:


    Did he mention "prudential truth"?

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    « Reply #14 on: June 16, 2013, 06:49:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    What's with these women?  Would it just KILL them to wear a real skirt for one hour?


    Requiring skirts is demeaning to women. (translation: they are in rebellion against traditional standards of dress because it symbolizes the pre-feminist social order)


    I know what you're saying, but I think a component is being left out of the equation.  These women WILL wear skirts - usually very short ones - when it fits into their agenda i.e. trolling for a man, trying to out-hot their friends, etcetera.  But wearing a skirt for Mass is frowned upon in their mind because it represents an adherence to a dress code and they don't like that since it interferes with their sense of 'empowerment' and entitlement.

    Eh, just my two cents.  Don't spend it all in one place.