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Offline chrstnoel1

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« on: June 12, 2015, 08:57:48 AM »
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  •  :geezer:
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
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    « Reply #1 on: June 12, 2015, 09:13:06 AM »
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    « Reply #2 on: June 12, 2015, 09:20:57 AM »
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  • If anyone attends, I'd be interested in hearing what the SSPX's "official" view of the "true understanding" is.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 12, 2015, 09:58:56 AM »
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  • It's curious that the conference is held on the Feast of the Sacred Heart.  

    That being said, it is entirely possible that the conference does indeed deal with the "true understanding" of the devotion, that its purpose was to replace the devotion to the Sacred Heart, penance and reparation.  If that's the case, then it would be fitting to have the talk on the feast of the Sacred Heart.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 10:12:12 AM »
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    It's curious that the conference is held on the Feast of the Sacred Heart.  

    That being said, it is entirely possible that the conference does indeed deal with the "true understanding" of the devotion, that its purpose was to replace the devotion to the Sacred Heart, penance and reparation.  If that's the case, then it would be fitting to have the talk on the feast of the Sacred Heart.




    Yes, I agree ihsv. As can be seen from the poster, the main picture is of the traditional Sacred Heart devotion and the Polish nun and her devotion are merely insets.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 12, 2015, 12:14:39 PM »
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    Yes, I agree ihsv. As can be seen from the poster, the main picture is of the traditional Sacred Heart devotion and the Polish nun and her devotion are merely insets.


    Yes, but the "Divine Mercy" Picture and Sister Faustina are prominently displayed on top of the flyer.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 12, 2015, 12:56:38 PM »
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  • It seems pretty obvious to me that the title is just a gimmick given that the poster includes in BOLD that there will be Benediction in honor of the Most Sacred Heart and no mention is made of any time for praying the Divine Mercy prayers.

    That ... and the date ... and the header image ...
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    « Reply #7 on: June 12, 2015, 01:15:43 PM »
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    It seems pretty obvious to me that the title is just a gimmick given that the poster includes in BOLD that there will be Benediction in honor of the Most Sacred Heart and no mention is made of any time for praying the Divine Mercy prayers.

    That ... and the date ... and the header image ...


    Yes.

    When we jump on every little thing, without concrete evidence, it weakens credibility.  If/when they actually do the deed, then we can deal with it.  Is it suspicious?  Perhaps.  Keep your guard up.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 12, 2015, 03:48:46 PM »
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  • That's unfortunate if it's what it appears. And if so, can we really be surprised?  Cor Jesu sacratissimum, miserere nobis.   :pray:
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    « Reply #9 on: June 12, 2015, 05:35:00 PM »
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  • But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    « Reply #10 on: June 13, 2015, 01:23:21 AM »
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    It's curious that the conference is held on the Feast of the Sacred Heart.  

    That being said, it is entirely possible that the conference does indeed deal with the "true understanding" of the devotion, that its purpose was to replace the devotion to the Sacred Heart, penance and reparation.  If that's the case, then it would be fitting to have the talk on the feast of the Sacred Heart.


    The true purpose of the Divine Mercy does not replace devotion to the Sacred Heart. It is because of the Divine Mercy that we have the Sacred Heart. If there were no Divine Mercy then there would be no Sacred Heart. All of this is intertwined.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 13, 2015, 01:49:27 AM »
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  • http://www.novusordowatch.org/divine-mercy.pdf

    First, when this devotion fell under the attention of Pius XII, he was concerned not with the prayers of the devotion, but with the circuмstances of the so-called apparitions to Sr. Faustina and their content. That is, he was concerned with what Our Lord supposedly told Sr. Faustina and what he told her to make public.

    Pius XII, then, placed this devotion, including the apparitions and the writings of Sr. Faustina on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Index of Prohibited Books). That list no longer exists, since it was formally abolished on June 14, 1966, by Paul VI. On the one hand, it is unfortunate that it no longer exists. But, on the other hand, if that list were to exist today it would be so vast that it would fill this room. Practically everything that is written today has something objectionable to the Catholic Faith.

    So, Pius XII put the writings of Sr. Faustina on the Index of Prohibited Books. That meant that he considered that their content would lead Catholics astray or in the wrong direction.

    Next, came other prohibitions made by Pope John XXIII. Twice in his pontificate, the Holy Office issued condemnations of the Divine Mercy writings.

    Today the Holy Office is called Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. But before it was called the Holy Office of the Inquisition. Its name has changed over several years.

    This Office - placed under the direct control of the Pope - is responsible for maintaining the purity of the doctrine and, therefore, it watches over the dissemination of different docuмents in the Church.

    If the Pope wants to correct the faithful on a particular topic, he usually does this through the Holy Office. So, the proclamations, declarations and docuмents issued by the Holy Office may be seen as coming from the Pope himself.

    Not once, but twice under Pope John XXIII, this particular devotion was condemned through the Holy Office. The first condemnation was in a plenary meeting held on November 19, 1958. The declaration from the Holy Office issued these three statements about this devotion:

    1.   There is no evidence of the supernatural origin of these revelations. This means that the members of the Holy Office examined the content and decided that there was nothing there to indicate the apparitions were supernatural. In an authentic apparition - Our Lady of Lourdes or Our Lady of Fatima, for example - you can look at the content and affirm it can not be definitively said they are of divine origin, but there is enough evidence to say that it is possibly so. On the other hand, in the Divine Mercy apparitions, they said definitively that there is no evidence whatsoever that they are supernatural. This translates, “We do not think that these apparitions come from God.”

    2.   No feast of Divine Mercy should be instituted. Why? Because if it is based on apparitions that are not clearly coming from God, then it would be rash and temerarious to institute a feast in the Church based on something that is a false apparition.

    3.   It is forbidden to disseminate writings propagating this devotion under the form received by Sr. Faustina, as well as the image typical of it. So, it was forbidden to even publish the image of Our Lord as Divine Mercy.

    Now, you have all seen this image, even if in passing, and you would know and recognize it. It shows a strange picture of Jesus that makes me uneasy. I cannot really tell you why. I do not like it. I don't like the face, I don't like the gesture, I don't like the posture, I don't like anything. This was my first impression of this image. I don't want it around because it is, for lack of a better term, creepy to me when I look at it.

    The image shows multicolored rays, I think they are red, white and blue, coming from His chest region - no heart, just these rays. You have all seen this. Well, that was the image that was forbidden to be published or spread.

    On March 6, 1959, the Holy Office issued a second decree on the order of Pope John XXIII. It forbade, once again, spreading the images of Divine Mercy and the writings of Sr. Faustina propagating this devotion. It also stated that it was up to the bishops to decide how they were going to remove the images that had already been displayed for public honor.

    I do not need to say much more about these declarations. Two Popes strongly warned the faithful of a danger in this devotion. Pius XII put it on the Index; John XXIII issued two condemnations through the Holy Office about the spiritual danger this devotion presented to the faithful. Not much more needs to be said on that.



    REMEMBER, PRESUMPTION OF GOD'S MERCY is one of the six sins against the Holy Ghost.
    This so-called divine mercy devotion has instilled and propagated this terrible sin with neo-Catholics. And now, evidently, among the Neo-SSPX.
     
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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    « Reply #12 on: June 13, 2015, 09:03:33 AM »
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  • The reasons for suppression of this "devotion" had not changed when suddenly JPII decided it was the kittens mittens. No new info come to light by then either. In a few examples know to me, it insidiously became a replacement for devotion to the Sacred Heart, and that irritating mantra-like chaplet became a cheap and dirty substitute for the Rosary. Some who do it don't pray the Rosary any more. It doesn't take much to understand where it came from. There is also a problem with Sr. Faustina herself. "My daughter this, and my daughter that---"

    A lot of Indult priests go gaga over it too.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 13, 2015, 11:42:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: ihsv
    It's curious that the conference is held on the Feast of the Sacred Heart.  

    That being said, it is entirely possible that the conference does indeed deal with the "true understanding" of the devotion, that its purpose was to replace the devotion to the Sacred Heart, penance and reparation.  If that's the case, then it would be fitting to have the talk on the feast of the Sacred Heart.



    This isn't something I know much about.  Why would even people convinced of the authenticy of the Divine Mercy Devotion want to replace devotion to the Sacred Heart?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #14 on: June 13, 2015, 12:09:06 PM »
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    This isn't something I know much about.  Why would even people convinced of the authenticy of the Divine Mercy Devotion want to replace devotion to the Sacred Heart?


    In my experience, many people also replace the rosary for the divine mercy chaplet.