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Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
« on: August 25, 2025, 07:41:40 PM »
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    Re: Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
    « Reply #1 on: August 26, 2025, 07:17:25 AM »
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  • Pope Pius X described 'Modernism' in Encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis: “And now, can anybody who takes a survey of the whole system be surprised that We should define it as the synthesis of all heresies?”

    What did he mean by this?

    Well, the word 'synthesis' means 'the combining of separate elements to form a coherent whole'. However, Pius X was not saying that Modernism was a profession of every single historical heresy, something mentally impossible, since many of them are mutually exclusive. Rather, he was describing a system that "lay the ax" to the very root of the faith like each of these historical heresies did.

    So what is this 'system'?

    This system is an alliance between faith and false (worldly) philosophy; an alliance between Christianity and Gnosticism; an alliance between the Tree of Life and the Tree of knowledge. Show me a Christian who combines his faith with Descartes or Kant or Hegel or any of those western philosophers that influenced the like of Loisy and Co. and I will show you a Modernist.

    James Hitchcock in his book 'The New Enthusiasts' highlights certain Gnostic traits that make-up this system of Modernism: The affirmation of a mission to realize the true nature of Christianity, a profession of a knowledge of Christianity superior to that of its ordinary adherents, downgrading the power of the sacraments, projecting a bias towards an invisible community of believers, giving primacy to human desire, human preference, human will and imagination which results in the relaxation towards occasions of sin and chastity. In other words, a so-called evolutionary development of truth and knowledge by using worldly knowledge to "understand" the depths of Christianity better; to use worldly means to teach the gospels to modern man. It is an satanic illusion.

    Writes the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ pedo Sir Frances Bacon: "...a depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion."
    Francis Bacon is believed to be the father of Rosicrucianism; a branch of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. 

    When Fr. MacDonald talks about the 'conciliar church', it is this system of Modernism that has permeated Christ's Church and influenced the hierarchy.


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    Re: Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
    « Reply #2 on: August 26, 2025, 03:23:00 PM »
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  • Pope Pius X described 'Modernism' in Encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis: “And now, can anybody who takes a survey of the whole system be surprised that We should define it as the synthesis of all heresies?”

    What did he mean by this?

    Well, the word 'synthesis' means 'the combining of separate elements to form a coherent whole'. However, Pius X was not saying that Modernism was a profession of every single historical heresy, something mentally impossible, since many of them are mutually exclusive. Rather, he was describing a system that "lay the ax" to the very root of the faith like each of these historical heresies did.

    So what is this 'system'?

    This system is an alliance between faith and false (worldly) philosophy; an alliance between Christianity and Gnosticism; an alliance between the Tree of Life and ...
    Very good question. I appreciate your references too.
    Which heresies could be essential in this synthesis?  I am greatly ignorant of ALL the heresies, but there must be 3 - 5 that had the most influence...could someone discuss that a little bit. ?
        Also, +Lefebvre in his "Principles of Liberalism", in my former post somewhere,  the modernist says fìrstly, "I make my own truth"; then: "No dogmas for me, I decide!! ; ultimately he rejects ALL laws. 
    So this liberal heresy goes back how far? ...Prots?
    "I make my own truth" is probably half of Modernism, where these heretics often  evolve dogmas, sacraments and everything in society. 
    A few days ago in Ottawa, 2 Pryde parades clashed and the parades had to be ended!!! Even g*ys can't agree amongst damnselves!!!
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    Re: Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
    « Reply #3 on: August 26, 2025, 05:38:41 PM »
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  • Very good question. I appreciate your references too.
    Which heresies could be essential in this synthesis?  I am greatly ignorant of ALL the heresies, but there must be 3 - 5 that had the most influence...could someone discuss that a little bit. ?
        Also, +Lefebvre in his "Principles of Liberalism", in my former post somewhere,  the modernist says fìrstly, "I make my own truth"; then: "No dogmas for me, I decide!! ; ultimately he rejects ALL laws.
    So this liberal heresy goes back how far? ...Prots?
    "I make my own truth" is probably half of Modernism, where these heretics often  evolve dogmas, sacraments and everything in society.
    A few days ago in Ottawa, 2 Pryde parades clashed and the parades had to be ended!!! Even g*ys can't agree amongst damnselves!!!
    The Protestant revolution was a consequence of the Renaissance which was a consequence of the Eastern Schism which was a consequence of pseudo Christian thinkers infiltrating the Byzantine Church. It just goes back, and back and back. The same old system: rational thought of fallible men dictating to the faith. Really, I think Protestantism has played the greatest role in history - it really is a culmination of many of the earlier heresies. Modernism is its parent but in a far more subtle form. A good book to read on it is Michael Davies' 'Partisans of Error'. It s nice, easy read - only around 100 pages - and gives a quick summary of the influences involved. The following link also gives a simple overview of the historical heresies: https://www.veritascatholica.com/the-great-heresies-of-the-church-2/

    Can you post me a link to your post about 'Principals of Liberalism' or is it too far back?

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    Re: Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
    « Reply #4 on: August 26, 2025, 06:47:58 PM »
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  • The Protestant revolution was a consequence of the Renaissance which was a consequence of the Eastern Schism which was a consequence of pseudo Christian thinkers infiltrating the Byzantine Church. It just goes back, and back and back. The same old system: rational thought of fallible men dictating to the faith. Really, I think Protestantism has played the greatest role in history - it really is a culmination of many of the earlier heresies. Modernism is its parent but in a far more subtle form. A good book to read on it is Michael Davies' 'Partisans of Error'. It s nice, easy read - only around 100 pages - and gives a quick summary of the influences involved. The following link also gives a simple overview of the historical heresies: https://www.veritascatholica.com/the-great-heresies-of-the-church-2/

    Can you post me a link to your post about 'Principals of Liberalism' or is it too far back?

    Do you mean to say parent, or child?  Are you asserting that modernism, at least in some germ form, predated Protestantism (as well as the other movements you cite)?


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    Re: Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
    « Reply #5 on: August 26, 2025, 09:55:12 PM »
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  • So, if you examine the different facets of Modernism, they have one aspect in common ... making the "rule of faith" an internal one, based on one's personal experience of faith, where truth is not objective, fixed, immutable ... but rather relative to the observer, the believer, and his own faith experience.  Similary, the Church's understanding or experience of the faith can change over time.

    It's the synthesis of all heresies in that, at the end of the day, the elimination of the one, true, objective rule of faith ... and its replacement by another, which, as St. Thomas writes, ultimately ends up being one's own mind.  Prots say the Bible is their rule of faith, but it reduces in the end of their own interpretation of the Bible.  Prots said that the Holy Spirit will inspire the believer with the true interpretation or meaning of the Bible, and now there are 27,000+ such true interpreations.

    In all heresies, man's own mind becomes his own proximate rule of faith, even if some of the earlier heresies claimed that there was a rule of faith external to them, e.g. the Bible, the Ecuмenical Councils (but not Popes), etc. ... but these reduced to their own understanding of these rules, and this culminates in Modernism, which holds that the rule of faith is in fact internal to man.

    Man becomes his own rule of faith, man his own rule of moral conduct, man the rule of his own reality ... man becomes his own god.  That is the ultimate spirit of Antichrist.

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    Re: Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2025, 10:10:23 PM »
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  • So, if you examine the different facets of Modernism, they have one aspect in common ... making the "rule of faith" an internal one, based on one's personal experience of faith, where truth is not objective, fixed, immutable ... but rather relative to the observer, the believer, and his own faith experience.  Similary, the Church's understanding or experience of the faith can change over time.

    It's the synthesis of all heresies in that, at the end of the day, the elimination of the one, true, objective rule of faith ... and its replacement by another, which, as St. Thomas writes, ultimately ends up being one's own mind.  Prots say the Bible is their rule of faith, but it reduces in the end of their own interpretation of the Bible.  Prots said that the Holy Spirit will inspire the believer with the true interpretation or meaning of the Bible, and now there are 27,000+ such true interpreations.

    In all heresies, man's own mind becomes his own proximate rule of faith, even if some of the earlier heresies claimed that there was a rule of faith external to them, e.g. the Bible, the Ecuмenical Councils (but not Popes), etc. ... but these reduced to their own understanding of these rules, and this culminates in Modernism, which holds that the rule of faith is in fact internal to man.

    Man becomes his own rule of faith, man his own rule of moral conduct, man the rule of his own reality ... man becomes his own god.  That is the ultimate spirit of Antichrist.
    You just described perfectly how Modernism replaces the true rule of faith with man’s own mind. But given that, can I ask you directly: would you attend the Neo-SSPX now, after all this?


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    Re: Crisis in the SSPX - Fr. Ed MacDonald
    « Reply #7 on: August 27, 2025, 05:56:32 PM »
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  • Do you mean to say parent, or child?  Are you asserting that modernism, at least in some germ form, predated Protestantism (as well as the other movements you cite)?
    Yes I am asserting that. The same system infiltrated the Church time and time again:

    The fall of Constantinople (1453) - a story of infiltration in itself - caused a wave of neo-Greek scholars, carrying "classical" Greek philosophy - "man is the measure of all things" (humanism) - to enter into the West. These scholars based themselves in the republic of Florence, Italy, where universities and art promoting their ideas were financed by the Jєωιѕн (Banking) Medici family. This became known as the Renaissance meaning 'Re-birth'. Interestingly, Pope Leo X, who endorsed the "sale" of indulgences which sparked Luther's rebellion, was a Medici Pope.