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Bishop Williamson conference on Vatican II, Prometheus book in NY, Oct 12-13, 2019

It reminded me of his old Seminary classes on Pascendi ("on Modernism") since Fr. Calderon's book, Prometheus, shows how Vatican II hangs together and really gives a 10,000 foot view of the New Religion. Pascendi also gives an excellent summary of Modernism.

These conferences were classic Bp. Williamson -- he was completely in his element.

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  • Thank you, Matthew.  I too absolutely loved his conferences a the Seminary.  They were captivating.  He gave a weekly talk to the entire seminary on Wednesday afternoons, before dinner, and we looked forward to these all week.


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  • This man belongs in a seminary, forming generations of priests.  What a crime that the SSPX ousted him.

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  • Hasn't Bp. Williamson signed Fr. Calderon's death warrant in the sspx?  By endorsing his book, it seems, Fr. C. will be history in the Society.

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  • Thanks for upload. I learn a lot of it, subscribe your YouTube Chanel. At this time it's the only way for me, here in Germany to see&hear his Excellence. 


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  • Where can I see when BP. Williamson will be in NY? I live in Ny and would love to attend a conference. 
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us

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  • Bp. Tissier is at the  American seminary now.
    It’s worth noting that Fr. Calderon still teaches at an SSPX seminary.
    Superficially, yes.

    But when you think about it, it's neither here nor there.

    What is your point? That the SSPX still has some redeeming value, some good priests and faithful? That they're not a diabolical organization of 100% boogey men?

    I would concede that any day of the week.

    The problem with the SSPX is that the leadership is aggressively drilling a hole in the floor of their boat as fast as they can. That's why I got off that lifeboat. Some (who are lousy at lifeboat construction/swimming, or are fearful, etc.) are staying on the SSPX lifeboat until the water is up to their mouths. That's their choice.

    The SSPX has compromised on doctrine. They are rotten on a doctrinal level. The practical fruits of this will follow. If not today, in 5 years or 10 years.

    The problem is: only a small percentage of people say "Oh crap!" when the doctrine changes. Back in Vatican II, it was a minority who saw where the new orientation would lead. It takes far-seeing, deep and clear thinkers. Such are rare. These are the people who get off the cruiseliner immediately after they feel a huge shudder and learn that an iceberg has been hit. Most people don't even think of leaving until they see water on the ship...

    I remember in 2003, only 2 seminarians saw the "writing on the wall" when we all heard the news that +Williamson was being transferred. Myself (26) and the oldest seminarian there, (age 41). We knew that big changes would be coming.
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  • You can't say

    Resistance is to SSPX
    as
    Mainstream Media is to Trump

    No, the MSM lies and slanders Trump. They hate him and all his followers (yes, over half of the country!) They hate him because he does what is good for America and he often thwarts and dials back their evil plans.
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  • These are very good and informative conferences. I see that in the 4th conference, during the Q&A time, that the Bishop (although he believes Francis is the Pope)  is not dogmatic that Francis is Pope and admits that Benedict may still be Pope or that neither is Pope. 

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  • These are very good and informative conferences. I see that in the 4th conference, during the Q&A time, that the Bishop (although he believes Francis is the Pope)  is not dogmatic that Francis is Pope and admits that Benedict may still be Pope or that neither is Pope.

    Agreed, except I would add that his opinion is reached without even considering the universal acceptance/dogmatic fact argument.

    I spoke with him on the phone last week and raised precisely that point, to which he audibly “hmmmm’d” and said he would have to go back and check the manuals.

    He then offered that the theologians could not have foreseen a crisis of this magnitude (an opinion rebutted by a quote someone supplied last week showing that in fact at least one had considered it).

    So, if Bishop Williamson is going to go back to check the manuals, what he is going to find is that all the theologians are unanimous in their assertion that a universally accepted pope is a dogmatic fact.

    And in that case, if Bishop Williamson’s tolerance of doubt is based on being uninformed of what the theologians teach, then I’m not sure how much weight his opinion on this topic ought to carry.

    I’m neither saying that Francis’s papacy is, or is not, a dogmatic fact.  We earlier discussed/speculated that MAYBE there may be an intrinsic difference in the nature of the pre vs post-conciliar papacies, in that the former were not suspect of heresy, while the latter were/are.

    What is certain (and this was quite a blow to me), is that Bishop Williamson says Archbishop Lefebvre certainly allowed/tolerated persons to privately entertain the possibility that the pope was not the pope (yet another blow to me), which implies the sede theory is -according to Lefebvre- at least theologically possible (though BW said Lefebvre believed it created more problems than it solved).

    So, if Bishop Williamson’s position on the theological possibility rests upon the authority of Lefebvre having believed (at least at times) that sedevacantism was possible, then it is not an opinion founded upon nothing.

    For me this was all quite a revelation, and I make no dogmatic statements on the subject anymore.

    I think -at the moment- that I am inclined to believe that Lefebvre sometimes, in the heat of battle, when provoked by rank scandal and heresy, sometimes MAY have said things which he should not have, and was sometimes overly indignant (just as I can be, and as he admitted to Davies in the Apologia, Vol II, Ch. 40).

    I THINK (but am not sure) that If this was the case (if, if, if!), I would still be inclined to say that the universally accepted pope remains a dogmatic fact, and that it is not possible for him not to be pope; that I would side with the unanimous consent of theologians over Lefebvre/Williamson if forced to, WHILE STILL ACKNOWLEDGING I COULD BE WRONG (eg., perhaps because of the intrinsic difference between the heretic pope’s vs their orthodox predecessors, etc).

    I think I am learning, at least on this topic, not to form a solid opinion, and live with the uncertainty (despite my preference at the moment to continue to side with the theologians).

    Many might disagree, and I am not sure they would be wrong.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • I like His Excellency Bishop Williamson's sermons and learn a a lot from them generally. I hope H.E. is reconciled with the Society one day. The Universal Acceptance has only fully come to light more recently, e.g. after the SSPX's endorsement of True or False Pope. I recall that Fr. Boulet mentioned it in passing in a 2004 article, however he didn't dwell on it at length. Anyway, that's for aother thread.


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  • The Universal Acceptance has only fully come to light more recently

    This is not some recent development.  UA simply does not apply to this situation.

    You try to pretend that S&S came up with some amazing new discovery in putting together a badly-flawed chapter on UA.

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  • These are very good and informative conferences. I see that in the 4th conference, during the Q&A time, that the Bishop (although he believes Francis is the Pope)  is not dogmatic that Francis is Pope and admits that Benedict may still be Pope or that neither is Pope.

    Right, +Williamson never has considered their legitimacy to be dogmatic fact ... nor did Archbishop Lefebvre.

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  • Right, +Williamson never has considered their legitimacy to be dogmatic fact ... nor did Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Well, just for clarity, based on my phone conversation with Bishop Williamson on the subject, he appears not to have studied the matter.

    So while his conclusion (ie., the technical possibility of sedevacantism) would logically suggest he had rejected the claims of universally accepted pope’s being dogmatic facts, it appears he reached the conclusion of the technical possibility of sedevacantism in reliance upon Archbishop Lefebvre’s occasional words that such was a possibility, and not because he thought the UA argument didn’t apply.

    What would BW conclude if he refreshed his studies on the matter?

    I dare not speculate.

    But it would seem the real question should center around +Lefebvre (since +Williamson’s opinion is formed on reliance upon +Lefebvre’s private tolerance and occasional opinion regarding its possibility).

    Interestingly, +Lefebvre did sometimes raise the universal consent argument (cited elsewhere), and at other times, make statements suggesting the sede possibility.

    Were these flare-ups he later regretted, rather than actual changes of position (ie., words said in the heat of battle on occasions of grave scandal)?

    That would seem reasonable, yet Bishop Williamson does not suggest that as an explanation.

    I would like to converse with him more deeply on this point, to see if +Lefebvre’s tolerance was more sporadic/occasion-based, or sustained.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • Well, just for clarity, based on my phone conversation with Bishop Williamson on the subject, he appears not to have studied the matter.

    So while his conclusion (ie., the technical possibility of sedevacantism) would logically suggest he had rejected the claims of universally accepted pope’s being dogmatic facts, it appears he reached the conclusion of the technical possibility of sedevacantism in reliance upon Archbishop Lefebvre’s occasional words that such was a possibility, and not because he thought the UA argument didn’t apply.

    What would BW conclude if he refreshed his studies on the matter?

    I dare not speculate ...
    Agreed, Sean. His Excellency himself can let us know in due time after calmly reviewing the matter. I would recommend TOFP, it's very well written, and nicely researched, on this particular question.