These are very good and informative conferences. I see that in the 4th conference, during the Q&A time, that the Bishop (although he believes Francis is the Pope) is not dogmatic that Francis is Pope and admits that Benedict may still be Pope or that neither is Pope.
Agreed, except I would add that his opinion is reached without even considering the universal acceptance/dogmatic fact argument.
I spoke with him on the phone last week and raised precisely that point, to which he audibly “hmmmm’d” and said he would have to go back and check the manuals.
He then offered that the theologians could not have foreseen a crisis of this magnitude (an opinion rebutted by a quote someone supplied last week showing that in fact at least one had considered it).
So, if Bishop Williamson is going to go back to check the manuals, what he is going to find is that all the theologians are unanimous in their assertion that a universally accepted pope is a dogmatic fact.
And in that case, if Bishop Williamson’s tolerance of doubt is based on being uninformed of what the theologians teach, then I’m not sure how much weight his opinion on this topic ought to carry.
I’m neither saying that Francis’s papacy is, or is not, a dogmatic fact. We earlier discussed/speculated that MAYBE there may be an intrinsic difference in the nature of the pre vs post-conciliar papacies, in that the former were not suspect of heresy, while the latter were/are.
What is certain (and this was quite a blow to me), is that Bishop Williamson says Archbishop Lefebvre certainly allowed/tolerated persons to privately entertain the possibility that the pope was not the pope (yet another blow to me), which implies the sede theory is -according to Lefebvre- at least theologically possible (though BW said Lefebvre believed it created more problems than it solved).
So, if Bishop Williamson’s position on the theological possibility rests upon the authority of Lefebvre having believed (at least at times) that sedevacantism was possible, then it is not an opinion founded upon nothing.
For me this was all quite a revelation, and I make no dogmatic statements on the subject anymore.
I think -at the moment- that I am inclined to believe that Lefebvre sometimes, in the heat of battle, when provoked by rank scandal and heresy, sometimes MAY have said things which he should not have, and was sometimes overly indignant (just as I can be, and as he admitted to Davies in the Apologia, Vol II, Ch. 40).
I THINK (but am not sure) that If this was the case (if, if, if!), I would still be inclined to say that the universally accepted pope remains a dogmatic fact, and that it is not possible for him not to be pope; that I would side with the unanimous consent of theologians over Lefebvre/Williamson if forced to, WHILE STILL ACKNOWLEDGING I COULD BE WRONG (eg., perhaps because of the intrinsic difference between the heretic pope’s vs their orthodox predecessors, etc).
I think I am learning, at least on this topic, not to form a solid opinion, and live with the uncertainty (despite my preference at the moment to continue to side with the theologians).
Many might disagree, and I am not sure they would be wrong.