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Will the MEN step up in the Resistance?
« on: November 07, 2014, 07:50:21 PM »
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  • I just got my updated Coordinator's contact info list, with chapel names, addresses, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses.

    I thought I'd do a little exercise this time around -- how many chapels are run by a man, a woman, or both?

    Here are the results:

    25 chapels total

    8 - male coordinator
    10 - Mr. & Mrs. coordinator, or a mix of male/female
    7 - female coordinator

    I don't blame the women so much as I blame the men who are so absent as to require the women to step up! Women can and WILL step up to fill a void that needs filling. It's sad when they have to do so, and it's not good for the cause when they have to!  They can fill in for a man, but they can't fill his shoes, if you know what I mean.

    We need MEN to lead the Resistance chapels. God meant for MEN to be leaders.

    In some cases, there was a "couple" coordinator, but the e-mail address was clearly that of the woman -- or both were given, and it explicitly said "use her e-mail".

    Which means that A) the man doesn't have e-mail B) the man doesn't care or C) the man is too busy with work to take care of organizing the Resistance.

    If C is the case, it's a shame an older (or younger!) man couldn't step up and be available all day to take care of organizing things.

    For some of the chapels, I think they just put the couple because they're happily married. I myself was tempted to ask to have my wife included with my name -- but I figured it would be a better example to the men if I left it obvious that I'm the coordinator.
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    Will the MEN step up in the Resistance?
    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 08:11:32 PM »
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  • In any counter-revolution it is the women bringing the bullets...
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2014, 08:39:06 PM »
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  • I should have also pointed out -- it's the chapels that DON'T EXIST for lack of a man to lead and organize them that is the real problem.

    Sure, women can fill the void (God bless 'em!) but I do know that many women simply aren't equipped to be leaders. Some are not interested AT ALL in such a role. And these aren't to be blamed. My own mother would certainly never step up and organize/lead a resistance group. She doesn't have the manly skills, including "obstacle-overcoming", for a job like this. But how do I say this -- it's less shameful for a woman to be like this, than for a man to be like this.

    To organize a Resistance chapel it takes a few manly skills, such as leadership, diplomacy/tact, prudence, knowledge of the Faith/current events, a modicuм of social skills, a bit of fortitude (can't be afraid of rejection or be afraid to stand out!), and let's not forget confidence!

    It also comes in handy to have some skills and other resources to contribute. Knowing how to serve Mass, having a vehicle and drivers license is certainly a big plus. It is usually necessary to be at least somewhat "established" in a career which is a manly bundle of skills in itself.
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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 09:21:30 PM »
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  • Meaningless statistic.

    The ladies are doing a great job and a lot of work. However, running the group is a group effort. Men are involved.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 08, 2014, 03:44:21 AM »
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  • simply reflects life,  if men were prepared to step up earlier, if they had the qualities needed to be leaders, the situation might not have become so dire, but im afraid  stormtroopers are very thin on the ground in laymen and clergy.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 08, 2014, 04:47:11 AM »
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  • I wouldn't have the time or interest to act as a coordinator. It's much easier get to London than the new chapel in Ireland. I travel to London as often as I can.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 08, 2014, 05:26:50 AM »
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  • thats why its stormtroopers are needed on the ground, not to do whats easier, but to blaze the trail.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 08, 2014, 06:23:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    In some cases, there was a "couple" coordinator, but the e-mail address was clearly that of the woman -- or both were given, and it explicitly said "use her e-mail".


    That's very common practice because women tend to stay at home and have more access to e-mail than the men who are off at work.  Since you work exclusively from home, this may not have occurred to you.  In this way, the women serve as secretaries for the men.  They're at home so they can check e-mail frequently and then get the message to their husband if it's urgent.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 08, 2014, 08:12:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: Matthew
    In some cases, there was a "couple" coordinator, but the e-mail address was clearly that of the woman -- or both were given, and it explicitly said "use her e-mail".


    That's very common practice because women tend to stay at home and have more access to e-mail than the men who are off at work.  Since you work exclusively from home, this may not have occurred to you.  In this way, the women serve as secretaries for the men.  They're at home so they can check e-mail frequently and then get the message to their husband if it's urgent.


    You're right, I'm probably a bit "biased" in that regard. And I'll also admit that the "couple" ones are all complete mysteries as far as who does the real work. Maybe they both do; who knows.

    I'll just redirect my focus on A) chapels that don't exist because there are no men to rise to the occasion and there happen to be no strong women around either (whose fault is it there is no chapel in such a case? ALL of the men who should be equipped, or SOME of the women who are able?)
    as well as B) those chapels where NO men are available, even after-hours, to do this important work. I won't conjecture for a second that these women could be over-bearing feminists who wrenched the jobs away from willing men. Instead, I'm sure that -- once again -- the men have let us down and the women are filling a void that needs to be filled.

    Better to have a woman coordinator than no chapel!

    But that doesn't let the men off the hook, I say.

    Seriously -- what do these men do instead with their non-working hours? Are they working 2 jobs? Watching lots of TV? Reading comics? Working and taking care of a household? (that would be the only legitimate answer)

    I'm just afraid that for some men, the Faith isn't an important hobby. It should be our life, our hobby and our biggest passion.

    I should also point out that any of these "busy men" that have sons -- you can't complain when they don't place the Faith first in their lives. They are watching you and taking notes. Your priorities will become their priorities, I can practically guarantee you.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 08, 2014, 04:54:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    You're right, I'm probably a bit "biased" in that regard. And I'll also admit that the "couple" ones are all complete mysteries as far as who does the real work. Maybe they both do; who knows.


    That's how I work it when I coach my kids' sports teams.  I do all the coaching, practices, etc. but use an e-mail address that my wife can access during work hours.  If something important comes up, then she'll call me.

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    « Reply #10 on: November 08, 2014, 06:49:34 PM »
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  • The people can't be expected to step up and organize something that is broken from the top down.
    The resistance doesn't have an organization but rather a list of independent priests.
    I agree that it's wonderful when one of these independent priests comes to say Mass for the people, but handling the logistics amounts to collecting enough money to cover the priest's costs.
    I have found that many of the people of the resistance tend to be huge dreamers that incorrectly think they they will one day have their own church and want to organize at the people's level to try and achieve this. However, without a real resistance movement, these small groups will be lucky to be able to get a priest to say Mass for them one a month, which in my opinion, is not enough.



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    « Reply #11 on: November 08, 2014, 07:29:40 PM »
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  • I think he only meant organize Mass centers,  not organize a network of priests.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #12 on: November 08, 2014, 08:30:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Centroamerica
    I think he only meant organize Mass centers,  not organize a network of priests.


    Yes, that is precisely what I meant.

    I'm not saying laymen should design the structure of the Resistance. That would be ridiculous. That is for the priests and bishop(s) to decide.

    All a layman can do is organize his local Resistance group.
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