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Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2016, 11:24:08 PM »
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  • Like Gomer Pyle used to say...



         "Surprise!.... Surprise!.... Surprise!"




    Will Pope Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?



    Maike Hickson   Maike Hickson   November 19, 2016 0 Comments

    As the Italian news agency, ANSA, reports, Pope Francis intends to publish a new Apostolic Letter “Misericordia et Misera” on Monday, 21 November 2016. It will be a docuмent sealing the end of the Year of Mercy and might thus have a special meaning to the Catholic world.

    German Vatican expert Giuseppe Nardi also reports today on the website Katholisches.info an important event that might also take place on Monday: the full acceptance of the Society of St. Pius X as a member of the Catholic Church, with a personal prelature, as has often previously been discussed. This information comes to Nardi from different websites that are close to the Society of St. Pius X.

    Our own sources confirm that they have received reports that the Society is, at the very least, mentioned in Misericordia et Misera, though the context of the reference is not yet certain. It is worth remembering that when Pope Francis granted faculties to the priests of the SSPX to hear confessions, the members of the Society — including their Superior General, Bishop Bernard Fellay — were not notified in advance by the Vatican of this decision, and that such a surprise could again happen without prior knowledge by those most affected. At the time of the papal letter regarding confession faculties, the Society released a statement which read in part [emphasis added]:

    The Society of St. Pius X learned, through the press, of the provisions taken by Pope Francis on the occasion of the upcoming Holy Year. In the last paragraph of his letter addressed September 1, 2015, to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, the Holy Father writes:

    «I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Society of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.»

    In August of 2015, just a month before the pope’s decision to extend these faculties to priests of the Society, Bishop Athanasius Schneider gave an interview to Adelante la Fe, in which he said:

    Mons. Schneider: The Holy See asked me to visit the two [seminaries] of the SSPX in order to conduct a discussion on a specific theological topic with a group of theologians of the SSPX and with His Excellency Bishop Fellay. For me this fact shows that for the Holy See the SSPX is not a negligible ecclesiastical reality and that it has to be taken seriously. I am keeping a good impression of my visits. I could observe a sound theological, spiritual and human reality in the two [seminaries]. The “sentire cuм ecclesia” of the SSPX is shown by the fact that I was received as an envoy of the Holy See with true respect and with cordiality. Furthermore, I was glad to see in both places in the entrance area a photo of Pope Francis, the reigning Pontiff. In the sacristies there were plates with the name of Pope Francis and the local diocesan bishop. I was moved to assist the traditional chant for the Pope (“Oremus pro pontifice nostro Francisco…”) during the solemn exposition of the Blessed Sacrament.

    To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.

    As faithful traditional Catholics, we know that much work has been done recently to fully reconcile the Society with the Church, and we may well hope and pray that this piece of unexpected information will be confirmed as true on Monday. May the SSPX thereby become even more influential now within the Catholic Church in defending the traditional doctrine and life of the Catholic Faith as it has been essentially taught and more fully lived for many centuries now.

    We will update this story with more information as it becomes available.

    Steve Skojec contributed to this report.


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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2016, 07:39:40 AM »
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  • We will see come Monday. When Bishop Fellay visited Florida there was some clergy from the Former Anglican ordinariate that visited him. What they discussed I don't know but I believe they are under a similar setup from what has been rumored. We will see...

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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #3 on: November 20, 2016, 12:32:50 PM »
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  • Their friends at R.C. are reporting...

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/11/apostolic-letter-misericordia-et-misera.html#more
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    Now, many had the intuition, considering the timeframe of the authorization for confessions for SSPX priests (granted last year and ending, supposedly, today), that the Letter would contain something on the SSPX. We can confirm that, at least if no last-minute surprise cones along, that it will indeed contain something regarding the Society of Saint Pius X.

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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2016, 01:50:11 PM »
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  • Not that I expect it to happen, but can the XSPS refuse regularization, or does the one sided recognition seal the deal?
    Or.... is just a formality of an agenda already set by both parties?
    Is it just a cover for Bishop Fellay to say " we cannot refuse Rome; we cannot refuse the Church?"


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    « Reply #5 on: November 20, 2016, 01:53:27 PM »
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  • All of the above...

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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #7 on: November 20, 2016, 03:38:51 PM »
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  • No, no Prelature

    My sources are saying that the bull will include a line or two that states that the jurisdiction to hear the sacrament of reconciliation will be extended for the SSPX. That's all.


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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #8 on: November 20, 2016, 05:55:33 PM »
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    No, no Prelature

    My sources are saying that the bull will include a line or two that states that the jurisdiction to hear the sacrament of reconciliation will be extended for the SSPX. That's all.


    R.C. has the same thing:
    (Update - 2030 GMT: The SSPX mention tomorrow, our sources say, will not mention structure - only an extension on confessions. - To be verified.)
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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #9 on: November 20, 2016, 06:07:16 PM »
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  • The Eponymous Flower reports:

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    Sunday, November 20, 2016
    SSPX May be Recognized on Monday by Pope Francis

    (Rome) On Monday the 21st of November, Pope Francis Francis will publish the Apostolic Exhortation Misericordia et Misera at the end of the extraordinary Holy Year of Mercy. This was announced by the Vatican Press Office in yesterday's bulletin. Internet blogs, which are close to the Priestly Society  of St. Pius X, report that Pope Francis will come out with a bang on Monday.

    According to the announcement, the pope would announce the reunion of the full unity of the priestly society established by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, with the Holy See. At the same time, he would be able to build canonically the Pius Brotherhood as a personal prelate. Is it only speculation? Since last April the signs of such recognition have been condensed...

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2016/11/sspx-may-be-recognized-on-monday-by.html


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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #10 on: November 20, 2016, 06:47:52 PM »
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  • There is NO prelature people. Goodness gracious. There was a letter sent a couple of months ago that explicitly stated that no prelature is on the horizon. Why do you all get such personal joy from the "I told you so; I told you so" mantra. Give it a rest already.


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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #11 on: November 20, 2016, 08:40:23 PM »
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  • Apostolic Letter "Misericordia et Misera" and the SSPX

    (Update - 2030 GMT: The SSPX mention tomorrow, our sources say, will not mention structure - only an extension on confessions. - To be verified.)


    Last Friday, the Holy See announced that the Apostolic Letter Misericordia et Misera would be published on Monday -- the Pope signed it today, last day of the Jubilee of Mercy.

    Now, many had the intuition, considering the timeframe of the authorization for confessions for SSPX priests (granted last year and ending, supposedly, today), that the Letter would contain something on the SSPX. We can confirm that, at least if no last-minute surprise cones along, that it will indeed contain something regarding the Society of Saint Pius X.

    Let us pray, wait, and see.

    P.S. For reference purposes, Katholisch.info and 1Peter5 (in English) mentioned this possibility before. Also mentioned in Le Forum Catholique.

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/11/apostolic-letter-misericordia-et-misera.html

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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #12 on: November 21, 2016, 06:07:18 AM »
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  • This, so far, from the Vatican Insider:

    http://www.lastampa.it/2016/11/21/vaticaninsider/eng/the-vatican/all-priests-will-be-able-to-continue-granting-absolution-for-the-sin-of-abortion-h6G7AbMa1ZeMcWORMnBiaK/pagina.html


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    MISERICORDIA ET MISERA]For the Jubilee Year I had also granted that those faithful who, for various reasons, attend churches officiated by the priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, can validly and licitly receive the sacramental absolution of their sins.[15] For the pastoral benefit of these faithful, and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with God’s help for the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church, I have personally decided to extend this faculty beyond the Jubilee Year, until further provisions are made, lest anyone ever be deprived of the sacramental sign of reconciliation through the Church’s pardon.


    So...until the "Year of Mercy", no sins were forgiven? LOL.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 21, 2016, 06:42:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: RogerThat
    There is NO prelature people. Goodness gracious. There was a letter sent a couple of months ago that explicitly stated that no prelature is on the horizon. Why do you all get such personal joy from the "I told you so; I told you so" mantra. Give it a rest already.


    RogerThat,
    Well, are you concerned that your sins were "not forgiven" until the "Year of mercy"? Or were they? And if they were, why is +Fellay so eager to be "reintegrated" at the worse time possible in the history of the Church? I forgot...Seminary needs to be filled!
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    Will Francis Approve the SSPX on Monday?
    « Reply #14 on: November 21, 2016, 08:30:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora
    Quote from: RogerThat
    There is NO prelature people. Goodness gracious. There was a letter sent a couple of months ago that explicitly stated that no prelature is on the horizon. Why do you all get such personal joy from the "I told you so; I told you so" mantra. Give it a rest already.


    RogerThat,
    Well, are you concerned that your sins were "not forgiven" until the "Year of mercy"? Or were they? And if they were, why is +Fellay so eager to be "reintegrated" at the worse time possible in the history of the Church? I forgot...Seminary needs to be filled!



    Not to mention, Bp. Fellay has already acknowledged "Prelature" and
    even referred his faithful to Archbishop Pozzo's July comments on the topic of Prelature, as correct.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi