Author Topic: Why the shock when the SSPX acts Catholic? (Read 5096 times)

Matthew · « **on:** March 29, 2013, 10:02:32 PM »

The Catholic Church has experienced more human frailty than one could believe, and yet she still survives to this day (the precise manner of Her existence today is open for debate, I suppose)

Has anyone out there forgotten that the SSPX is nothing more, and nothing less, than a mere branch of the Catholic Church? Does anyone labor under the delusion that the SSPX has an exclusive 100-year contract with God to be the leader and spokes-organization of Catholic Tradition?

No, I think +Williamson is right. The SSPX will be blessed by God as long as She is faithful to the Truth. Once she compromises, she will be cast out like salt that has lost its savor.

When people make sweeping statements like "the SSPX can be liturgically careless", "Some SSPX priests are worldly" do they realize just how meaningless those statements are?

Do they actually think it reflects *in any way* on the organization? If they do, I have to tell them some bad news, preferably with them sitting down. The Catholic Church must not be the true religion, because whatever faults you have observed in SSPX priests I could point out in countless diocesan priests from tre year 100 all the way to 1950.

Some people have a hang-up with perfection in an organization filled with humans (WHY I ask -- what organization of humans has ever been in the same ballpark as "perfect"?) They tend to be scandalized about an entire organization when they meet a faulty member.

It is very emotional, personal, and feminine. (Sorry, ladies. I don't mean it as an insult)

Women are more people-oriented. They are more interested in personalities and people. They are also more interested in practicality and details. Men are more interested in abstract ideas and principles. That is simply how God made the sexes different. I have no complaint with God's design.

When SSPX priests fall, it is no MORE surprising or LESS surprising than when it happened to some Irish priest in the 1850's. Or a French priest in the 1600's. Or a Roman priest in the 400's.

I think we need to remind ourselves once in a while about the big picture.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2013, 10:10:07 PM »

You realize, of course, this applies equally to the CMRI, SSPV, or any other group.

It also applies to the Resistance.

When you see a priest giving a bad sermon, you need to distinguish Fr. X the man from Fr. X the member of "Traditional Group Y".

You could rationally support the mission statement of "Traditional Group Y" and still be against Frs. X, Y, and Z who are members of that organization. Perhaps they are flawed individuals.

But ~~some~~ many people have a hard time doing this.

I will also add that I don't blame women as much when they do this -- because they're acting according to their feminine nature. Men, on the other hand, have to admit to the sad realization that they have been feminized in their way of thinking whenever they do this.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2013, 10:13:36 PM »

That got me thinking -- don't you suppose one of the goals of the Bad Guys is to get women to take on male vices, and get men to take on female vices?

We know they're trying to confuse and muddy the waters on what it means to be male or female.

But it seems that they're trying to get women to be aggressive, ambitious, proud, even as they're trying to get men to be vain, petty, jealous, and see everything through a personal lens.

They're also encouraging both sexes to keep their original vices as well
:rolleyes:

What a wonderful world they're creating. Hell on earth!

Zorayda · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2013, 01:20:32 PM »

This applies to every society & organization. This has nothing to do with women. Our Lady was NOT built that way & your comments are so ridiculous. Men have become lazy & spoiled so much so that women are forced to stretch themselves & overcompensate. Sloth leads to other vices & sins. You really underestimate God's designs. He created women because he knew men would disappoint Him. Do you think we enjoy picking up after you lazy bums all the time?

Zeitun · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2013, 03:19:28 PM »

You many notice that the female voices that were so prominent months ago in favor of the Resistance have receded into the background to allow the men to step up. Since that has happened the Resistance has exploded in terms of numbers and territory.

Zorayda: You embarrass yourself and women in general. Be silent.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2013, 03:22:28 PM »

Quote from: Zorayda

He created women because he knew men would disappoint Him.

...yet all of Christ's Apostles were men, were they not?

With the exception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, all people - both men and women - have disappointed God at times through their sins.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2013, 04:33:21 PM »

Dear Zorayda.

We're happy to have you back here posting. Please don't take offense unnecessarily.

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2013, 04:51:31 PM »

Quote from: Zeitun

You many notice that the female voices that were so prominent months ago in favor of the Resistance have receded into the background to allow the men to step up. Since that has happened the Resistance has exploded in terms of numbers and territory.

Zorayda: You embarrass yourself and women in general. Be silent.

Those women have now taken on the role of organizing suitable venues for Mass, and arranging hospitable settings for those who come to assist. No mean feat, at least in my experience. Maybe you should carefully reconsider your comment to Zorayda.

Zorayda · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2013, 05:01:11 PM »

Oh really Zeitun. I don't even recognize your name. When did you come on board? I it my duty to be constantly on top of this forum. I took a break & doubled my rosaries for the priests who need them. Prayer & penance is what is lacking in the resistance. Isn't that what our Lady of Fatima asked for? Many times many posters will not stick to the real issues at hand. Many times I see a lot of stupid racist comments & just plain dumb non-related ramblings. The Recusant has done a tremendous job focusing on the real problems without having to make racist & ridiculous remarks. Cathinfo will only discredit itself when it deviates from the crisis itself.

Matthew, you will find weak individuals, priests & lay folk, in EVERY part of society worldwide, cloistered or not. What we must focus on is the root of the crisis. Original Sin has damaged both men & women.

The apostles refused to believe St. Mary Magdalene after the Resurrection, did they not. Of course, what men want want to believe something so incredulous from a silly woman???

And where were the apostles on Good Friday. Only one pure disciple showed up and joined the women!!!

FYI Archbishop Lefebvre said that he would not have been able to accomplish anything if it was not for the contemplative WOMEN who were cloistered praying & sacrificing for his work.

Zeitun, please let me know if this forum is exclusively for ego-tripping male chauvinists like yourself. So you must be like those typical trads who treat women as subhumans and who believe that women have no role in the restoration of the Church. You forget that the priests who give you the Sacraments came from the wombs of women.

No wonder I see so many miserable mothers in the trad world & no wonder many young women refuse to marry & leave the Faith altogether.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2013, 05:48:54 PM »

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No wonder I see so many miserable mothers in the trad world & no wonder many young women refuse to marry & leave the Faith altogether.

I very much doubt "male chauvinism" (traditional Catholic ideals) are the reason for the misery. I would guess the reason is that being Catholic in an un-Catholic world is very unpopular.

As for the racial issues:

It's true many people hope to use such discussions to smear the forum.

However, that is typical of the Left - to smear the right, to misrepresent the right.

Please do not fall for trick that racial consciousness is some horrible black brand that discredits a person.

That's an attitude that has taken hold in the post-Vatican II world. Along with feminism.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2013, 06:04:55 PM »

Quote from: Zorayda

The apostles refused to believe St. Mary Magdalene after the Resurrection, did they not. Of course, what men want want to believe something so incredulous from a silly woman???

And where were the apostles on Good Friday. Only one pure disciple showed up and joined the women!!!

If Our Lord felt the same way you do, He would have had female Apostles as well. That didn't happen, though.

Yes, the Apostles were sinners and made many mistakes. As I told you, however, both men and women are sinners. Only one person created by God throughout history never sinned, and that was the Blessed Virgin Mary. Everyone else sinned.

Do you believe that women should be allowed to enter the priesthood?

Zorayda · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:09:25 PM »

Did you not just see the racist comment by John Grace about white Brazilians vs. dark Brazilians? And that's not the only racist comment I've seen.

So it's ok to make narrow minded remarks about women but once women will counter those remarks the men attack full on?!! So typical.

What do those remarks have to do with the SSPX Crisis?

Even Bp. Williamson has often commented on the crisis of manhood and Fr. Zendejas from the pulpit in Ridgefield has boldly stated that men are often the " headaches" of the family instead of the head.

There is no value whatsoever in belittling women or saying that women were ONLY created for this or for that. In your male eyes that's what you think. Can you last 24hours of labor pain or have the courage to put your life on the line to give life to a child? I was lifting my husband after his car accident 6 months pregnant. Women have an inner strength you have no clue about.

No wonder the world is so in trouble. Men have neither true respect nor gratitude for womanhood. Instead you want women to serve your coffee & donuts & to shut up.

Trust me we have sponsored more than one Mass venue & we have been actively involved in Catholic action even before we started attending SSPX. Ironically, I find more zealous Catholics in the NO promoting True Devotion to Our Lady & sending their children to other countries to distribute rosaries. Very few young trads volunteer for the missions.

Zorayda · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:15:21 PM »

This is so typical! When women have something to say, we are immediately branded as feminists and that we want to become priests. No ServusSS. I want my monthly manicures & pedicures thank you. Real women are sick and tired of doing men's jobs.

My mother always wanted to stay home but my dad wanted her income. Go figure.

Obviously you men are so bold to attack a woman but you're too lazy to clean up the church & help your wives clean the house.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:16:46 PM »

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Did you not just see the racist comment by John Grace about white Brazilians vs. dark Brazilians? And that's not the only racist comment I've seen.

He's just referring to the experiences of his family with black Brazilians.

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There is no value whatsoever in belittling women or saying that women were ONLY created for this or for that

Matthew's intention wasn't to belittle women but rather to belittle men by comparing them to women. (they were pretty silly posts, IMO)

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Cardinal Mindszenty's message on a mother is:

The Most Important Person on earth is a mother.
She cannot claim the honor of having built Notre Dame Cathedral.
She need not.
She has built something more magnificent than any cathedral-
a dwelling for an immortal soul, the tiny perfection of her baby's body…
The angels have not been blessed with such a grace.
They cannot share in God's creative miracle to bring new saints to Heaven.
Only a human mother can.
Mothers are closer to God the Creator than any other creature;
God joins forces with mothers in performing this act of creation…
What on God's good earth is more glorious than this: to be a mother?

~ Joseph Cardinal Mindszenty ~

The problem today Zorayda, is that feminism puts other priorities ahead of motherhood and marriage. And that often leads to the ruin of chastity which then threatens the family.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2013, 07:28:05 PM »

Zorayda. You are painting men with the very broad strokes that you are campaigning against

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