All you need in enough food and warmth and away you go! Bp. W wants a palace to match his credentials, qualifications and celebrity and he has now got it in the Garden of Kent. I have experienced both and the simple life does have its merits, while too much grandeur can be a burden! Anyway, we live in our heads and hearts and our surroundings are merely a way of measuring our attachment to material things.

The bishop has doubts about the calibre of candidates. He questions the basis for their vocations in a world which hardly encourages them. The selection process has to be rigorous while at the same time beggars cannot be choosers. Bearing in mind he thinks the Church is on her last legs and any grand initiatives are now superfluous to maintaining a discreet vigil up to the end. I get the same message from Jehova's Witnesses!  

All motivations of the both parties are at present too tied up with the SSPX and the parties ongoing attachments too, and resentments against them.

In such times the level of rigour might perhaps be adjusted within limits, but if, as the Bishop has been said to have used the term "losers", then one must assume that in this case he believes that rigour was thrown out of the window.

All you need in enough food and warmth and away you go! Bp. W wants a palace to match his credentials, qualifications and celebrity and he has now got it in the Garden of Kent. I have experienced both and the simple life does have its merits, while too much grandeur can be a burden! Anyway, we live in our heads and hearts and our surroundings are merely a way of measuring our attachment to material things.

The bishop has doubts about the calibre of candidates. He questions the basis for their vocations in a world which hardly encourages them. The selection process has to be rigorous while at the same time beggars cannot be choosers. Bearing in mind he thinks the Church is on her last legs and any grand initiatives are now superfluous to maintaining a discreet vigil up to the end. I get the same message from Jehova's Witnesses!  

Simple life is one thing, but don't glamorize unsafe conditions, they can be very burdensome and taxing. I can't imagine young healthy men though having to suffer unsafe things too much because they are strong enough to make basic repairs.

No one is addressing the EXCELLENT point brought up by dreamtomorrow.   Bishop Williamson did not leave the SSPX because he courageously stood up against the Modernist +Fellay.  Rather, he was thrown out.

And why was he thrown out? Durrr, wasn't it because he was courageously standing up against +Fellay?



 

He says over and over that these things have been brewing in the SSPX since the early 90's.  Why didn't he point this out then?  

Perhaps he did and we aren't aware of it. Perhaps he railed against it in private, but thought the time was not right to publicly name names. Perhaps there is also some benefit of hindsight.

I have spoken to more than one old time SSPX priest.  Each one commented when talking about Fr. Hewko and Pfeiffer that one of the main reasons they could not join was because they have no Bishop.

What a dumb excuse. Bishop Williamson works closely with them. They de facto have a Bishop.

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Why is Bishop Williamson opposed to a seminary?  Where does he expect new priests to come from?

It seems the question should be not "opposed to A seminary," but rather "opposed to THIS seminary."  But according to Fr. Pfeiffer, it's more like "opposed to these seminarians."

Fr. Pfeiffer explained in a recent conference that +W thought the seminarians in KY are "losers," but Fr. defended them with something like this:

So what's new about that?  We've all been losers.  Nobody is worthy to become a priest;  that much is a given.

Another man present in the audience added, "You have to start somewhere."  -Meaning that the Resistance is just getting started, so you shouldn't expect perfection from square one, or something like that.

That's not a direct quote, and I don't recall what the venue or date was.  And I didn't really understand it very well, because it doesn't sound like +W to have such opinions of seminarians.  There must be more to it than that.  Maybe he did not think well of the buildings themselves?  But Fr. didn't say that.  Fr. Chazal has gone on record referring to it as a "cardboard seminary."  That is in reference to its humble setting:  not very comfortable, inconvenient pests (animals / bugs), muddy rutted roads, heating inadequacy, various things that are not the stuff that make for an attractive brochure.  Basically, nobody who expects a two-star accommodation need apply.  For sure, they are getting an early training in penitential living.

My question is, how does their willingness to tolerate such conditions make for them to be thought of as "losers?"  Something doesn't add up with that.  In my book, any seminarian who can willingly agree to misery while he studies is already halfway to sainthood.


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Towards the 4-1/2 minute mark and at the very end, he mentions "losers." January 1, 2013.

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B. Williamson isn't leading (he didn't leave-they forced him, maybe he'd still be there if it were up to him. He also purposefully didn't sign the recent declaration because it endorsed a seminary, which he is against) , we need him to go out and convince priests/superiors. The signatures bore no fruit and more than one was retracted. B. Fellay isn't going to sign agreement because he's getting what he wants without it and if there had been agreement people may have reacted so SSPX superiors are going to go the slow route. Also because majority of resistance supporters do and will continue to go to SSPX chapels until they see heresy which they won't. How you maintain hope?

Remaining at SSPX chapel is part of problem.One must give their all to the resistance.

That is correct. It is duplicitous to remain in an SSPX chapel if one supports the resistance.  One of the two positions is wrong and it does not serve anyone to knowingly remain where error is found.

Bishop Williamson should consecrate at least a dozen bishops. That would cement the future of the resistance.

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How about giving someone a chance! We should be supporting our young men aspiring to be religious... what if they read this.

We should be supporting them conditionally.

Admittedly, I only know one of the seminarians and at that I could hardly venture to say that I know him, only that I know who he is nominally and a detail or two.  As concerns the others, I haven't he slightest clue of even their name, much less their background, personality, disposition, etc.

Anyways, the priesthood is a sacred office and must be treated with the utmost seriousness.  It's not like joining a t-ball team where we should cheer and encourage the boys by the very fact of their undertaking.  

Aren't one or two of these men former seminarians from Winona who were "let go" during the rectorship of +Williamson? If so, that might explain his attitude.

How about giving someone a chance! We should be supporting our young men aspiring to be religious... what if they read this.

Indeed. Bishop Williamson testing the men is a good thing.  It's amazing some people pick up on his critique of the seminary whilst ignoring how Bishop Fellay used the Holy Rosary to trick laity.

Even in Ireland you had SSPX laity saying Bishop Williamson was "imprudent." I appreciate they were/are from an Indult background but telling the truth is a duty of a Bishop.

Perhaps if more laity had challenged Bishop Fellay some of the recent crisis could have been averted.

For example did the woman placed under "Holy Obedience" ever wonder why she was placed under such obedience. She was cynically manipulated. She had read "internet rumour".

The SSPX treated their laity like fools. Even a participant on the forum stated their mantra is 'Pray, Pay,Obey'.

The resistance deserves our support. The Church of Fellay/Neo SSPX put themselves before the faith.

It's a waste of time  now calling for Bishop Fellay to resign as momentum was lost.