Author Topic: Why the 12 million Rosary Crusade in 2009? (Read 4000 times)

hollingsworth · « **on:** October 16, 2013, 01:13:10 PM »

From John Vennari’s summary of what Bp. Fellay said at his conference in Kansas City:

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Bishop Fellay alluded to the SSPX/Vatican drama of 2012: “When we see what is happening now [under Pope Francis] we thank God, we thank God, we have been preserved from any kind of Agreement from last year (2012). And we may say that one of the fruits of the [Rosary] Crusade we did is that we have been preserved from such a misfortune.”

If +Fellay refers to the “12 million” Rosary Crusade commencing in early spring of 2009 and ending in March of 2010, then why in the world he would attribute deliverance from an “Agreement” in 2012 to “one of the fruits” of a Crusade begun three years earlier is quite beyond my ken. Since that Crusade was conducted ostensibly for the Consecration of Russia, its failure to accomplish that purpose must still weigh heavily upon the mind of the SG, and, perhaps, upon the minds of some among that captive audience of 500 captive sspx souls. He may have taken such an opportunity to justify the 2009 Crusade and to allay any lingering doubts which may still afflict his faithful followers.
Let me furnish a quote from the last part of +Fellay’s “letter to friends and benefactors,” #74 in the spring of 2009. It might help refresh some memories, and put +Fellay's most current “Rosary Crusade” remarks in perspective:

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But on this difficult path, and confronted with such violent opposition, we ask you, dear faithful, once again to have recourse to prayer. It seems to us that the time has come to launch a broad offensive, deeply anchored in the message of Our Lady of Fatima, to which she promised a happy outcome since she announced that in the end her Immaculate Heart will triumph. We ask her for this triumph by the means she herself requested: the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart by the Supreme Pastor and all the bishops of the Catholic world, and the propagation of the devotion to her Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart. That is why, to this end, we desire to offer her between now and March 25, 2010, a bouquet of 12 million [five-decade] rosaries as a crown of as many stars round her person, accompanied by an equivalently important number of daily sacrifices, which we will take good care to look for first of all in the faithful accomplishment of our duty of state, and with the promise to propagate devotion to her Immaculate Heart. She herself presented this as the purpose of her apparitions at Fatima. We are deeply convinced that if we carefully carry out what she asks of us, we shall obtain very much more than all we could ever dare to hope, and especially that out salvation shall be ensured if we profit from the graces she has promised us.
Consequently, we also ask from our priests a particular effort to facilitate this devotion for the faithful by emphasizing not only the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays of the month, but by encouraging the faithful to live in close intimacy with Our Lady through the consecration to her Immaculate Heart. It would also be good to make better known and to delve into the spirituality of the great herald of the Immaculata, Fr, Maximilian Kolbe.
Our Society was consecrated to the Immaculate Heart twenty-five years ago. We wish to renew this happy initiative of Fr. Schmidberger by putting into it all our soul and fostering this spirit in our hearts. It stands to reason that we have no intention of commanding Divine Providence what to do, but we have learned from the examples of saints and Holy Scripture itself that great desires can hasten quite strikingly the designs of the good Lord. Thus we make bold to lay this intention before the Immaculate Heart of Mary, asking her to take you all under her maternal protection. May God bless you abundantly!
On the Feast of the glorious Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ,
+ Bernard Fellay Winona, Easter 2009

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** October 16, 2013, 04:29:32 PM »

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A very good question, hollingsworth, and one that I am glad you asked
because you've done such a fine job in asking it!

Your choice of words evokes in me something I had not thought of
before, and it is this:

It seems to me that +F threw in the towel, and being frustrated at the
very NOTION that his 'most generous' 12 million rosaries was yet unable
to accomplish the effect that he had PRESUMED that it would have(!?!?),
he then suffered a kind of melt-down, and descended into a whimpering
mass of jello, whereby he snapped, and caved to the pressures of his
office which produced in him a willingness to COMPROMISE in the form
of his abominable AFD of 2012.

In FACT, looking at this again, it seems to me all the
more probable that someone inside the Vatican, one
of those shadowy figures who lurks behind the dark
side of granite columns ten feet thick and 120 feet
tall, one of those who has been carrying on the work
of the Father of Lies and who knows how to push the
buttons of anyone who dares step forward with the
pressing concern and meet awareness of some
significant number of Faithful who are thereby
offering their prayers (and especially penitential
Rosaries!) for the intention of the Collegial
Consecration, has found the combination of words
that "clicks" in the mind of XSPXSGBF, and has told
him as much so as to make him abandon his so-
called crusade, which then turned into a 'flash in the
pan'.

Only now, seeing in retrospect his failure to persevere, he nonetheless
cannot muster the gumption to humble himself because humility is not
in him. Pride is his principal earmark, and it drives him relentlessly,
almost as if it were on autopilot.

In the event that it's any consolation to members of CI, some friends
of mine are having a weekly Rosary Webinar, held on Monday evenings
at 7:00 pm Pacific Daylight Time (GMT-7), soon to be Standard Time
(UTC-8). I think we have something like 100 Rosaries so far, maybe
more, since members can report additional Rosaries they pray during
the week for this intention. Oh, right: the intention is for the Pope and
bishops of the world to perform the Collegial Consecration of Russia to
the Immaculate Heart of Mary, all at the same time, or within a
reasonable proximity thereof not exceeding one day, either in the
same physical place or in their respective places throughout the world,
in a solemn and unified consecration prayer. Our Rosaries will be
tallied and submitted to the Holy Father (whoever he may be!) in
January of 2014. Whether he gratefully accepts this spiritual
bouquet or instead chooses to do something else with it (I might not
mind if he places the "flowers" of our prayers next to the now
infamous beach ball on the high altar of St. Mary Major, but I would
prefer that he first removes the beach ball and T-shirt!), makes no
difference, for his actions are on his head. But we are doing what
we can in this regard by joining in the prayers of the most Holy
Rosary.. We pray 15 decades, and it takes about 45 or 50 minutes.

The website is https://join.me , and if you are interested,
please PM me for the login code. I can't promise lots of
FUN, but we do get the job done! (Hey, that rhymes!)
Think of it as a penance and 'it all comes out in the
wash', as they say!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** October 16, 2013, 05:11:21 PM »

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FWIW I was at a Fr. Gruner Rosary Crusade meeting two years
ago when he took questions from the mulling crowd, and when
my turn came I asked him, in front of everyone, if he would
be willing to initiate a Rosary crusade to pick up, as it were,
where B. Fellay had left off, and to continue to tally the
numbers of Rosaries the faithful pray? I said that we could
send in our numbers to his office via the Internet, for example,
and it wouldn't really even take up any of his staff's time.
His answer was somewhat of a non-answer, like this is what
we're already doing is praying the Rosary all the time.

It seemed to me that he was afraid of 'offending' any of the
SSPX supporters in the crowd or in his extended audience.

Msgr. Perez was standing there, handling the questions, and
now it seems that perhaps this thought got under his skin,
because he is now most eager to translate the tally numbers
from our weekly Webinar Rosaries, into a presentable
spiritual bouquet that he says he will see to it that it is
definitely delivered to the Pope in January.

Additionally, not unrelated to this topic is the concept of
Modernism and its infection in the Vatican and even in all
the postconciliar popes. Msgr. Perez gave a compelling
talk at the recent Niagara Falls Fr. Gruner conference, in
which he outlined the Modernism of recent popes, and Fr.
Gruner declined to put the recording of that talk on his
website, once again, for fear of 'offending' some of his
supporters who are gung-ho Novordiens.

If I can find the thread that mentions that Niagara Falls
Conference I'll see if I can find this thread and come back
here to link it.

For, from John Vennari’s summary of what Bp. Fellay said
at his conference in Kansas City, we can see that he took
up the very theme that Msgr. Perez handled handidly in
Niagara, but somehow managed to cover half the
material even though he spent 7 times as long doing it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hollingsworth · « **Reply #3 on:** October 16, 2013, 05:55:35 PM »

Call to mind again what Bp. Fellay wrote around Easter time 2009:

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Just as we were launching a second Rosary Crusade at our Lourdes pilgrimage last October, we hardly expected such a swift answer from Heaven! As for the Vicar of Christ’s Motu Proprio liberating the traditional Mass, our second entreaty was answered even more swiftly by the Blessed Virgin, because on the very same visit I made to Rome in January to put in the Sovereign Pontiff’s hands our bouquet of 1,703,000 Rosaries, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos put in my own hands the decree lifting the “excommunications” of 1988!

I get my Rosary Crusades mixed up. Apparently he's saying that one, or both of the previous two Rosar Crusades in combination 1) liberated the traditional Mass and 2) were responsible for the lifting of the ex-communications. He asserts that these two events accomplished with only 1.7 million Rosaries at that time what he failed to accomplish with way over 12 million Rosaries after 2010. Hmm!
If we look closer at the reality, of course, Fellay's Rosary Crusades have actually accomplished very little, if anything, IM0. Perhaps, the the old Mass was recognized to not have been abrogated. But even Paul VI would not declare that the old Mass had been abrogated. Furthermore, where presently, in any diocese of the world, does anyone find a genuine freeing up of the Tridentine rite? Answer: Nowhere!
As for the lifting of the excomunications, B16 made it clear that the lifting was conditional upon the resolution of several doctrinal matters. SSPX priests are still in a state of virtual suspension. As far as Rome is concerned, SSPX priests have no faculties to administer the Sacraments. They are in an "irregular" state. They can not perform marriages licitly. The confessions they hear can not be absolved. In other words, they are worthless. And, I imagine as well, Last rites conducted by an sspx priest are not valid either.
Bp. Fellay ought to give up his Rosary Crusades sales pitch. They didn't work, Your Eminence. Get over it! Please, never mention them again. You bombed royally!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** October 16, 2013, 06:07:53 PM »

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The only 'royal bombing' he did was to give up on the Crusades,
and to FAIL to persevere till the end. "But he that shall
persevere to the end, he shall be saved" (Matt.xxiv.13).

And now, his failure consists in not admitting that he bombed
by not continuing the Rosary Crusade.

He put a limit on God. He told God, effectively, "Here are 12
million rosaries and that should be PLENTY. So if you can't give
me what I EXPECT with these 12 million, then it's OVER."

Big mistake! BIG Mistake!!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2013, 06:16:14 PM »

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You're getting your rosary crusades mixed up because XSPXSGBF
is leading the way!

The INTENTION of all those crusades was for the Collegial Consecration
of Russia to the IHM, etc. There was never any intention to lift the
so-called excoms or to free the Old Mass.

The non-existent excoms can't be 'lifted' they can only be annulled.

The Old Mass can't be freed; it has never been imprisoned.

For them to do the right thing, and to annul the excoms and to
admit the CTLM continues to be unrestricted in any way whatsoever
would be tantamount to admitting they have been miscreants and
wolves in sheep's clothing all along.

Then XSPXSGBF has the very same problem. He isn't going to
own up to his foibles because that takes humility, and humility
is not in him.

These are Modernists who can only be prideful. For them to
practice true humility would take the power of re-arranging the
stars in the sky and making the sun rise in the west and set in
the east. Can't be done? Well, I didn't say that, did I?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** October 16, 2013, 06:35:42 PM »

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What we got was more lies. We may have had some spill-over of graces
to the extent that Rome refused the nefarious AFD of 2012, but the way
that was spun was just a lie. The so-called lifting of the excoms was a
lie. There were no excoms to lift. It's all smoke and mirrors, just like
the fable of the promulgation of the Newmass. WE HAVE TURNED TO
FABLES WITH ITCHING EARS. (Cf. II Tim. iv. 3-4)

Our prayer for the Collegial Consecration should be unending. "Pray
without ceasing" (I Thes. v. 17).

There is no excuse for the Rosary Crusade to not be ongoing.

There cannot possibly be any excuse.

It was too much work. Ridiculous.
It was taking too much time. Stupid.
Too many protestants were offended. Ludicrous.
It was taking too many Rosaries. IMPOSSIBE.
Everyone was getting tired. Lie.
My rosary wore out. Duuuh. Make a new one.
I forgot how to say it. Look it up.
It made me sad. Then pray the Joyful!
It made me joyful. What, and that's a problem?
It made me glorious. Huh?
Rome was fresh out of perks. To hell with the perks.
I wasn't getting anything out of it. And you expected..........?
It made me embarrassed. Use the link for Monday nights.
ETC......... ETC.........................

hollingsworth · « **Reply #7 on:** October 16, 2013, 07:28:26 PM »

Neil O:

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The INTENTION of all those crusades was for the Collegial Consecration
of Russia to the IHM, etc. There was never any intention to lift the
so-called excoms or to free the Old Mass.

Really!? So, you're saying, that all of the Crusades were directed towards the Consecration Russia. Do you have a source from Menzingen, indicating the intentions of the first two Rosary Crusades? I, for one, would be very interested to know.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #8 on:** October 17, 2013, 11:58:07 AM »

I found it. In 2008, In his Letter to Friends and Benefactors #73 Bp. Fellay did indeed call for a second Rosary Crusade for the lifting of the exommunications. The first one, he states, had successfully brought about the return of the Tridentine Mass. So, feeling pretty, apparently, the SG called for a second RC to accomplish the lifting of the excommunications, which occurred the following year. Following is the operative quote from letter # 73:

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Confronted with these new difficulties, we take the liberty of appealing once more to your generosity. Given the success of our first Rosary Crusade to obtain the return of the Tridentine Mass, we would now like to offer to Our Lady a new bouquet of a million rosaries (5 decades) to obtain the withdrawal of the decree of excommunication through her intercession. From November 1st until the Feast of the Nativity of Our Lord, we will take it to heart to pray with renewed fervor that, in these difficult hours of history, the Holy Father may fulfill with fidelity his august functions in accordance with the wish of the Sacred Heart of Jesus for the good of all the Church. We are utterly convinced that such a gesture coming from the Sovereign Pontiff would have as profound an effect on the Mystical Body as the freedom of the traditional liturgy.
http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Society_of_Saint_Pius_X/Bishop-Fellays-Letter/No_73_Oct_2008.htm

However, as we pointed out in an earlier post, both claims, one for the restoration of the Tridentine Mass, and the other for the "lifting," are based upon outcomes which were partial and incomplete, at best, and, at worst, have not been truly accomplished at all. The old Mass is not "freed up" to this day. Its celebration in the NO church is severely limited. NO priests willing to celebrate it are hamstrung by their bishops from performing the old rite in any kind of a regular manner. And one can not honestly assert that the excommuncations have really been lifted when we see the sspx bishops with no canonical recognition at all, with no jurisdiction, forced to operate in an irregular status, and holding no legitimate titles, as far as the Vatican is concerned.
So the first two Rosary Crusades did not accomplish what they set out to. And the third RC, obviously, has not resulted in the Consecration of Russia. I will repeat again, THE THREE ROSARY CRUSADES WERE AN UTTER BUST!!! Bp. Fellay deceived the faithful. He did not deliver, plain and simple.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2013, 03:27:27 AM »

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I was going by memory, and I didn't recall any prior mention of the
lifting of excoms or freeing of the Mass. All I recall is that the Rosary
Crusades were supposed to be for the Collegial Consecration. Frs.
Pfeiffer and Hewko preaching several months ago talked about it
too. As I recall, and as they said in their sermons, the message
from Menzingen that prayers were answered by the 'lifting' and
the 'freeing' only came AFTER the fact.

I don't doubt your discovery, above, but I have to wonder if that
is maybe the only message of that sort? Were there not other
announcements before each of the "Crusades" began?

Also, the last one was over 12 million rosaries, collected from all
over the world, and included groups from independent chapels
as well as SSPX and others. I heard that when the pope received
that spiritual bouquet, he had nothing to say about it, not even
a word of encouragement or appreciation, but simply went on
to the next item of business. But it would seem that must have
been Benedict XVI and not Francis, correct?

In the end, you really ought to re-consider your approach to this,
because the antics of +Fellay are upsetting to us all, but that is
really part of the penance! It is another aspect of this spiritual
chastisement that we're in the middle of right now. And this is
no time to go flaccid. We should be keeping up our prayers even
under adversity! And our prayers should be unfailing for the
Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

This is a really big sticking point with the sedevacantists, because
as you know, they don't think Francis is the pope, and so they
don't want to pray for that. Well, I guess they can just think
that whoever the Pope is or will be or whatever, that they should
still pray for the Consecration to happen. Or else they'll just have
to say that Fatima was all a hoax, and that doesn't set too
squarely with saying the Fatima prayers, like the ones that sede
chapels recite after Mass on First Saturdays, and the Decade
prayer, which just about everyone adds in their Rosaries, and the
prayers the Angel taught the children that gave them their start
in a life of saintliness -- an example for us all in this age of unfaith!

Here are the Fatima Prayers:

The Seven Fatima Prayers

During the course of the apparitions at Fatima, the three child seers were taught five unique and powerful prayers, two by the Angel of Peace and three by the Mother of God. Later, appearing to Sister Lucy at Rianjo, Spain, Our Lord Jesus Christ dictated two further prayers. For millions of people, these prayers are today a living embodiment of the Message of hope and peace which Our Lady gave the world at Fatima.

In the past few years, through the efforts of Our Lady's Apostolate, a pious practice has developed of reciting one (or more) of these prayers on a daily basis. The following schedule of prayers is a suggestion only; please feel free to recite them in any order which you find most comforting and appropriate.

Monday

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My God, I believe, I adore, I hope and I love Thee! I ask pardon of You for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope and do not love Thee!

Tuesday

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O Jesus, it is for love of Thee, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Wednesday

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O my Jesus, forgive us, save us from the fire of hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are most in need.

Thursday

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O Most Holy Trinity, I adore Thee profoundly! My God, my God, I love Thee in the most Blessed Sacrament!

Friday

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Sweet Heart of Mary, be the salvation of Russia, Spain, Portugal, Europe and the whole world.

Saturday

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By thy pure and Immaculate Conception, O Mary, obtain for me the conversion of Russia, Spain, Portugal, Europe and the entire world.

Sunday

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Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the sacrileges, outrages and indifference by which He Himself is offended. And through the infinite merits of His most Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of Thee the conversion of poor sinners."

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2013, 12:17:39 PM »

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On the other hand, members like Johnnier might prefer the following:

O Blessed John Paul, fortify Bishop Fellay so that he enlightens the 'poor skeptics' who doubt that the SSPX has obtained, by its millions of Rosaries, what it had requested. May these 'men of little faith' understand: When one asks for the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ, and then one actually gets a 'healthy secularity', it is to get what was asked for; That after asking for 'the reinstatement of the rights of the Tridentine Mass', then actually getting the so-called 'Extraordinary Rite' deemed to be as holy as the bastard Mass so-called 'the Ordinary Rite', is the same thing as getting what was asked for; That after having duly requested the annulment of the 'excommunications' which the Society has always contested, actually obtaining their 'lifting' means that the request was 'granted'; And, to attribute these graces to the Holy Virgin is not blasphemy, but rather it reveals a 'supernatural spirit'.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2013, 10:35:36 AM »

Neil O:

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I don't doubt your discovery, above, but I have to wonder if that
is maybe the only message of that sort? Were there not other
announcements before each of the "Crusades" began?

There may have been other announcements. I don't know. But I do know this: If +Fellay's three Rosary Crusades were meant to besiege Heaven for
1) The freeing up of the "extraordinary" Mass,
2) the "lifting" of the excommunications,
3) the consecration of Russia,

The Our Lady fell very much short in answering those millions of Rosary prayers. I don't mean to sound blasphemous, but thing about it:

The Holy See acknowledges that the old Mass was never abrogated. So that' what we get for 1.7 million Rosaries? OK, that's fine, but to be awarded only "extraordinary" status? I mean, as I said before, even Paul VI would not admit that the Old Rite had been abrogated. What is more, the so-called "extraordinary" Mass has not been celebrated very widely since in any of the dioceses of the world. We live close to the conjunction of five Catholic dioceses in the Northwest, comprising about 400 parish churches in all. Where does one find a regularly scheduled "indult" Tridentine Mass in any of them? You're lucky to find a time slot at any hour on Sundays. Maybe an opening or two during the week in the wee hours of the morning or late in the evening, if that. Where we are in the Diocese of Boise, I know of no extraordinary Masses offered anywhere at any time, with the exception of the FSSP chapel in Coeur d'Alene.

As for the so-called "lifting," supposedly accomplished by the 2nd Rosary Crusade. It appears that Fellay would like to take credit for it having been accomplished. Well, we see four bishops to this very day with no jurisdiction, no firmly reocgonized Episcopal credentials, no permission or ability to exercise the office of a bishop legitimately anywhere, in any diocese in the world, who preside over 500 plus priests, none of whom can be incardinated any place in the world, and whose Sacraments are still considered invalid. Some "lifting of the excommunications" say I.

As for the Consecration. 19 million Roasaries later, it still has not been performed. Enough said!

hollingsworth · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2013, 09:44:04 AM »

And now we learn, having just listened to Fellay's Pontifical Mass sermon, that the SG contemplates yet another Rosary Crusade in the near future. The three which he has already inaugurated did not accomplish their objectives. Now he wants to foist upon the faithful yet another one. How, IMO, he uses and abuses Our Blessed Mother!!!!! Fellay is incredible.

John Anthony · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2013, 02:48:57 PM »

Dear Hollingsworth,

"And now we learn, having just listened to Fellay's Pontifical Mass sermon, that the SG contemplates yet another Rosary Crusade in the near future. The three which he has already inaugurated did not accomplish their objectives. Now he wants to foist upon the faithful yet another one. How, IMO, he uses and abuses Our Blessed Mother!!!!! Fellay is incredible."

There is a collection of writings in which a controversial religious figure insists on perseverance in prayer.

His two examples are a man who finally gets his friend to get up from bed at night to lend the first man some bread to feed a visitor, and a widow who finally wears down a completely godless judge so that he gives her justice just to get rid of her.

Have you read this collection of writings?

The same controversial religious figure also makes clear that prayer is not about bending God to the prayer's will, but about bending the prayer to God's will.

So God often gives us not what we pray for, but what he decides in his infinite wisdom is the best thing to have.

This is likely why Bishop Fellay thinks that the 2009 Rosary Crusade may well have been why the SSPX was saved from an agreement with Rome.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2013, 03:21:20 PM »

John Anthony:

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This is likely why Bishop Fellay thinks that the 2009 Rosary Crusade may well have been why the SSPX was saved from an agreement with Rome.

The 2009 Rosary Crusade was, using the parable you provide, the importuning of "a friend" to grant a persistant suppliant the Consecration of Russia. That "friend" did not get up from bed. That "friend" did not grant the Consecration. End of story.
As for Bp. Fellay using that same 2009 RC as the possible reason behind the deliverance from an agreement, which only a year earlier, he had been perfectly willing to make, I find totally contemptible. Fellay knew full well that the 2009 RC was a bust. But he had to get some mileage out of it somehow, in order, hopefully, to quell any lingering doubts that might remain in the minds of his followers about the highly questionable results of the earlier three. He had to prepare the way, I'm persuaded, for yet another Rosary Crusade which he announced in his sermon. The man is a politician. That is the way I view him. IMO, he has a political motive for everything that he says and does. So, Mr. Anthony, no sale!