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Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
« on: June 20, 2012, 08:18:52 PM »
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  • Excellent comment from a  Canada donor posting at SaveSSPX.com:

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    From the West . . Given all the emails, postings, and utube speeches there is one missing element. Surprisingingly, NOT ONE, VATICAN II priest, bishop, or cardinal has spoken out against the Agreement betweeen SSPX and the Vatican - not only this anomoly, not one Jewish group has offered their comments. Isn't this unusual ? . . . When the so called excommunication was lifted, hundreds of INET postings from both Vatican II priests, bishops and Cardinals were posted on the INET for months, and the Jewish groups stepped in to offer their comments and even went to Rome to see the Pope about reversing his decision. Now with this reality as recorded history, Why in God's good name are all these groups, priests and Vatican II Prelates silent ? . . Can anybody answer this question ? Please do. The answer is, all thining persons with common sense well know that the pending Agreement will end SSPX and Catholic Tradition, and this is what they want. It is that simple. What else could this pssibly mean ? Nobody has brought this point forward and this silence is, as the good Bishop Fellay has said many times, reading between the lines . . . Wake up people. What will you do when Vatican II priests are called to give Mass at your parish ? What then, and who is going to stop them ? By that time it will be all over.


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    Excellent comments all around. The one post about the DEAFENING silence from Vatican II bishops, cardinals, the Curia, the Jews, and all the other usual suspects about the pending agreement is fascinating and terrrifying. Napoleon once wrote that a critical battle tactic was this: NEVER INTERRUPT YOUR ENEMY WHEN HE IS MAKING A MISTAKE. That, my friends, is why you have SILENCE on so many fronts with this pending agreement. The liberals, the modernists, the Jews, the masonically-saturated Curia, they all KNOW the SSPX is walking into a TRAP, and nary a peep is allowed. Do not interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. Period.

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    Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2012, 08:30:01 PM »
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  • Yes, excellent comments.

    The pro-agreement crowd in these chapels are tired of the perceived burdens of being traditionalist and generally don't understand what's at stake.


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    Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2012, 08:34:57 PM »
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  • Another excellent comment:

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    It is well known that there is a radical group in the Post Conciliar church that wants to take the Vatican II Revolution forward. The SSPX, as the largest Traditionalist group, is an obstacle to their hidden agenda. Once the SSPX is neutralized through absorption by the Post Conciliar church, Catholics right round the world may be in grave danger of the consequences of this forward-carried Revolution which may finally destroy their Faith in favor of the New One World Religion. Has Bishop Fellay taken into account this possibility and does he realize what harm he may be doing to the whole of Christendom by making common cause with the Post Conciliar church?


    Here we have Benedict XVI recently approving of the use of condoms as a "first step in morality" and the SSPX leadership barely responds to it, just sort of brushes is it aside.  

    Yes, when the SSPX is absorbed the next round of radical changes can begin, with no opposition.

    Do you really think Bishop Fellay, the sort of man who would hire that Zionist, would do anything to stop the SSPX from being utterly corrupted?

    Wake up!


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    Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
    « Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 09:04:09 PM »
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  • I've felt this way for quite a while now. There's very little public backlash by the liberals against the Pope's plans to "regularize" the SSPX. Why? Because the Jews, modernists, homosexuals and their fellow travelers all know how this saga will end. The SSPX will be marginalized and silenced -- if not outright destroyed. That's what they all want, thus no outrage.

    Why the pro-agreement crowd doesn't recognize this simple truth is beyond me.  :reporter:

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    « Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 09:06:41 PM »
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    I've felt this way for quite a while now. There's very little public backlash by the liberals against the Pope's plans to "regularize" the SSPX. Why? Because the Jews, modernists, homosexuals and their fellow travelers all know how this saga will end. The SSPX will be marginalized and silenced -- if not outright destroyed. That's what they all want, thus no outrage.

    Why the pro-agreement crowd doesn't recognize this simple truth is beyond me.  :reporter:


    Yes it was all explained to them after the Bishop Williamson affair, and since then there's hardly been any criticism of the SSPX in the world press, but plenty of support for Bishop Fellay.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 10:02:35 PM »
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  • The anti-SSPX groups are silent about the Agreement because they know there will be no agreement. Benedict XVI, according to secular media reports, is too old and enfeebled to control the various factions presently jockeying for power in the Vatican.

    Even if the Pope did say that he would accept the Society as it is, it is doubtful that he would be able to do so now, or that he would even care to do so now.

    Perhaps another support group should be founded for Bishop Fellay and his allies, since it looks like they may have nothing to show after the twelve year roller coaster ride they have involved both priests and faithful to obtain canonical recognition .....

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    « Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 10:21:25 PM »
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  • Very interesting. And as Telesphorus said, of course Bishop Fellay will do nothing to keep the SSPX from being corrupted because he himself doesn't get it. His mind has gone off its hinges.

    Bishop Williamson talked one time about people's who's minds are off their hinges. He said the following:

    "How can you reason with someone who's mind is unhinged? You can't! What can you do? You can pray for them, you can love them... that's about it."

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    Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 08:08:31 AM »
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    Very interesting. And as Telesphorus said, of course Bishop Fellay will do nothing to keep the SSPX from being corrupted because he himself doesn't get it. His mind has gone off its hinges.

    Bishop Williamson talked one time about people's who's minds are off their hinges. He said the following:

    "How can you reason with someone who's mind is unhinged? You can't! What can you do? You can pray for them, you can love them... that's about it."


    Oh! and you can separate yourself from them so that they don't do the same to you.


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    Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 08:47:35 AM »
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    I've felt this way for quite a while now. There's very little public backlash by the liberals against the Pope's plans to "regularize" the SSPX. Why? Because the Jews, modernists, homosexuals and their fellow travelers all know how this saga will end. The SSPX will be marginalized and silenced -- if not outright destroyed. That's what they all want, thus no outrage.

    Why the pro-agreement crowd doesn't recognize this simple truth is beyond me.  :reporter:





    You are right on point. The Jews and their attendant spinoff helpers have been neck deep in this since Vatican II.  And eyeball deep since the Williamson ambush in 2009. Now they are silent?  We are not hearing from them?  It must be that they know the situation is under tight enough control that whatever happens will be good for the Jews. Withdrawing from the spotlight must be to their advantage.
    Benedict never acts against their agenda or instructions.  Just read some of the demands which they have hurled at him in recent years. His answer is usually another Synogogic curtsy among the rabbis.

    The pro-agreement crowd are clueless as to the intent or true power of these people. They have been rendered as inconsequential in preserving and protecting the Faith. "Those who are not with Me are against Me"

    Those who do not fight for Christ the King, do the work of the Prince of this world. Jewish power in the world is approaching a zenith, and as a consequence the Church's power to influence and teach is at an ebb.

    It must be that they only appear to be silent but are now exerting their influence, coersion, and extortion from behind the curtain as they are often wont to do.
    Somewhere they are smiling, perhaps laughing, and more than likely spitting at us.



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    Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
    « Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 11:20:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: Clint
    Excellent comment from a  Canada donor posting at SaveSSPX.com:

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    From the West . . Given all the emails, postings, and utube speeches there is one missing element. Surprisingingly, NOT ONE, VATICAN II priest, bishop, or cardinal has spoken out against the Agreement betweeen SSPX and the Vatican - not only this anomoly, not one Jewish group has offered their comments. Isn't this unusual ? . . . When the so called excommunication was lifted, hundreds of INET postings from both Vatican II priests, bishops and Cardinals were posted on the INET for months, and the Jewish groups stepped in to offer their comments and even went to Rome to see the Pope about reversing his decision. Now with this reality as recorded history, Why in God's good name are all these groups, priests and Vatican II Prelates silent ? . . Can anybody answer this question ? Please do. The answer is, all thining persons with common sense well know that the pending Agreement will end SSPX and Catholic Tradition, and this is what they want. It is that simple. What else could this pssibly mean ? Nobody has brought this point forward and this silence is, as the good Bishop Fellay has said many times, reading between the lines . . . Wake up people. What will you do when Vatican II priests are called to give Mass at your parish ? What then, and who is going to stop them ? By that time it will be all over.


    and from another:

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    Excellent comments all around. The one post about the DEAFENING silence from Vatican II bishops, cardinals, the Curia, the Jews, and all the other usual suspects about the pending agreement is fascinating and terrrifying. Napoleon once wrote that a critical battle tactic was this: NEVER INTERRUPT YOUR ENEMY WHEN HE IS MAKING A MISTAKE. That, my friends, is why you have SILENCE on so many fronts with this pending agreement. The liberals, the modernists, the Jews, the masonically-saturated Curia, they all KNOW the SSPX is walking into a TRAP, and nary a peep is allowed. Do not interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. Period.




    And the secrecy goes on... Try to access this website just posted this morning...
    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/06/for-record-year-of-faith-website.html
    For the record: Year of Faith website
    Following the press conference on the events of the Year of Faith this morning, the website of the Year of Faith 2012-2013 was presented: http://www.annusfidei.va.  

    Labels: Vatican II at 50, Year of Faith:2012-2013
    Posted by New Catholic at 6/21/2012 11:36:00 AM  


    Rorate Caeli is on this whole conspiracy to bring the SSPX into "reintegration", notice they are always breaking news, they have their sources, they block any comments that does not fit their agenda and the ones that go through unnoticed are soon deleted.

    It has been openly admitted the importance of this pope to be the one to bring the SSPX into "full communion". This was to be accomplished before the 50th anniversary of the opening of Vatican II. Also the "New 1962 Missal" coming this Advent was another goal... the beginning  of their "reform of the reform". Bishop Fellay would be the one to sell it to "traditionalists". Rome doesn't care how many come with +bishop Fellay to Rome.  They will take as many as he manages to bring.  If anything, it will serve to divide it into two camps. That is:  the (moderate)"conservatives" from the ("fanatic") real traditionalists. This will ultimately facilitate the persecution of those who defend the Faith.

    Who knows how long + Fellay has been working with Rome, but the secrecy involved in all this negotiations even from the other bishops indicate that he knew what he was doing. Treason indeed! The Faith should never be defended in secrecy, it should be defended openly and from the housetops, when have we read about any saint defending the Faith in this manner? on the other hand, to get away with treason, you have to demand secrecy.

    There is no opposition from the left because they are confident in their Judas Goat.



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    Why are anti-SSPX groups silent about Agreement?
    « Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 11:33:55 AM »
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    They will take as many as he manages to bring.  If anything, it will serve to divide it into two camps. That is:  the (moderate)"conservatives" from the ("fanatic") real traditionalists. This will ultimately facilitate the persecution of those who defend the Faith.


    Yes, yes.  It is the worst sort of betrayal.

    And we must not waver for one moment either in not being with those who are in the process of betraying us. Some people are always admiring the grass in the neighbor's field. Instead of looking to their friends, to the Church's defenders, to those fighting on the battlefield, they look to our enemies on the other side. "After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says" —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church's destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the devil's work.

    -Archbishop Lefebvre


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    « Reply #11 on: June 21, 2012, 02:40:36 PM »
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  • Wow, the last two posts (J.Paul and Marie) are two of the best I've ever read on this issue. I am in absolute agreement with everything they said. Powerful stuff.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2012, 01:59:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Yes, yes.  It is the worst sort of betrayal.

    And we must not waver for one moment either in not being with those who are in the process of betraying us. Some people are always admiring the grass in the neighbor's field. Instead of looking to their friends, to the Church's defenders, to those fighting on the battlefield, they look to our enemies on the other side. "After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says" —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church's destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the devil's work.

    -Archbishop Lefebvre


    ... and (bold by me) :

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    It has been openly admitted the importance of this pope to be the one to bring the SSPX into "full communion". This was to be accomplished before the 50th anniversary of the opening of Vatican II. Also the "New 1962 Missal" coming this Advent was another goal... the beginning  of their "reform of the reform". Bishop Fellay would be the one to sell it to "traditionalists". Rome doesn't care how many come with +bishop Fellay to Rome.  They will take as many as he manages to bring.  If anything, it will serve to divide it into two camps. That is:  the (moderate)"conservatives" from the ("fanatic") real traditionalists. This will ultimately facilitate the persecution of those who defend the Faith.

    Who knows how long + Fellay has been working with Rome, but the secrecy involved in all this negotiations even from the other bishops indicate that he knew what he was doing. Treason indeed! The Faith should never be defended in secrecy, it should be defended openly and from the housetops, when have we read about any saint defending the Faith in this manner? on the other hand, to get away with treason, you have to demand secrecy.

    There is no opposition from the left because they are confident in their Judas Goat.



    Yes, the SSPX should really listen to Archbishop Lefebvre!

    Please let me repeat what I wrote some days ago here on Cathinfo :

    - Archbishop Lefebvre himself labeled Cardinal Ratzinger "The SSPX' Angel of Death", in front of his seminarians in Ecône.

    Meaning of course that Card. Ratzinger would at some day destroy the SSPX. There's several witnesses for this prophetic saying of Archbishop Lefebvre. Just ask some senior SSPX priests, chances are that they might have heard it personally.

    If the three faithful bishops and their allied priests don't manage to throw out Bishop Fellay and his assistants on the General Chapter, we'll see this prophecy of Archbishop Lefebvre coming true...
    (I really hope and pray that as an exception the Archbishop was not right in this point.)

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    « Reply #13 on: June 22, 2012, 05:00:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

    Who knows how long + Fellay has been working with Rome, but the secrecy involved in all this negotiations even from the other bishops indicate that he knew what he was doing. Treason indeed! The Faith should never be defended in secrecy, it should be defended openly and from the housetops, when have we read about any saint defending the Faith in this manner? on the other hand, to get away with treason, you have to demand secrecy.

    There is no opposition from the left because they are confident in their Judas Goat.


    But BpFellay has hit a roadblock by using the phrase " errors of Vatican II " in his reply to the Preamble. What can he do now, change it to "accepting Vatican II in the light of Tradition"?. Such a phrase would obviously mean that one can accept Vatican II in another light. Will the Conciliarists accept such a phrase or do they want BpFellay to accept Vatican II unconditionally? His secrecy has not prevented him from landing in this soup.

    Hope the other three bishops will lead the call for his removal at the forthcoming General Chapter and also that the new SG will remove all the district superiors who played on his team.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 09:02:35 AM »
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    Who knows how long + Fellay has been working with Rome, but the secrecy involved in all this negotiations even from the other bishops indicate that he knew what he was doing. Treason indeed! The Faith should never be defended in secrecy, it should be defended openly and from the housetops, when have we read about any saint defending the Faith in this manner? on the other hand, to get away with treason, you have to demand secrecy.

    There is no opposition from the left because they are confident in their Judas Goat.


    But BpFellay has hit a roadblock by using the phrase " errors of Vatican II " in his reply to the Preamble. What can he do now, change it to "accepting Vatican II in the light of Tradition"?. Such a phrase would obviously mean that one can accept Vatican II in another light. Will the Conciliarists accept such a phrase or do they want BpFellay to accept Vatican II unconditionally? His secrecy has not prevented him from landing in this soup.

    Hope the other three bishops will lead the call for his removal at the forthcoming General Chapter and also that the new SG will remove all the district superiors who played on his team.



    Obviously a complete realignment of the Society's administration would be required to restore the former integrity of their negotiating position.
    It is possible with the insertion of what must be something very conciliar and impossible at the last moment, showing a clear lack of good faith, that the Society can retake its former firm stance without a loss of justification for it. It may even be in a better position than before, due to the obvious deceptions and obstinate demonstration of modernist thought and tactics which Rome has demonstrated during this whole affair.

    The issue of one individual having the ability to aggregate power which leads to a total control of the Society should be addressed as well.  The purging of all Jewish and carnal influence should also be a high priority.

     

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