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Whose turn to be consecrated Bishop?
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2016, 12:49:27 PM »
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How many new resistance priests have been consecrated in/for North America in the past 5 years? Does anyone have a number?  


Did you mean to say "ordained"?

Only two Resistance priests have been consecrated to bishop: Fr. Faure and Fr. Thomas Aquinas.

If your question is any priests ordained, I am unaware of ANY new priests being ordained by any of the three bishops.


Sorry, I meant to say new priests being ordained.
Anyone from Canada or US.

Whose turn to be consecrated Bishop?
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2016, 01:03:29 PM »
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Quote from: RogerThat
How many new resistance priests have been consecrated in/for North America in the past 5 years? Does anyone have a number?  


Did you mean to say "ordained"?

Only two Resistance priests have been consecrated to bishop: Fr. Faure and Fr. Thomas Aquinas.

If your question is any priests ordained, I am unaware of ANY new priests being ordained by any of the three bishops.


Sorry, I meant to say new priests being ordained.
Anyone from Canada or US.



Fr. André Zelaya de Leon OSB from Guatemala was ordained during Holy Week 2015 in Brazil by Bishop Williamson.


Word on the street is that Bishop Thomas Aquinas, OSB will be ordaining one of the carmelites in the Philippines working together with Fr. Chazal.


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Whose turn to be consecrated Bishop?
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2016, 01:59:26 PM »
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One thing they DO need is an AMERICAN bishop, as there is not a single one amongst the six of them.


I expressed this same sentiment earlier.  I think you're right.  As you say, no priests, apparently, have been ordained under the three bishops.  That's a bit of a problem for moving ahead practically, isn't it?


How do you propose they fix this conundrum? By passing out Holy Orders like candy, to you, me and all the other untrained (or insufficiently trained) laymen on CathInfo? Regardless of impediments, both great and small?

I don't think that would solve anything. In fact, I think it would cause many more problems than it would solve (cf. the problems in the 1400's right before the Protestant Revolt and the Council of Trent)

All joking aside, here is what I'm trying to say: The bishops, even if they were living saints, can't give us any priests just because they feel generous. Part of the "matter" for Holy Orders is QUALIFIED, TRAINED, single men willing to make a life-long commitment to the Church and to celibacy. And it takes 6 years to form a young man in the sacred sciences.

"Impose not hands lightly upon any man" (1 Timothy, 5:22)


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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2016, 02:06:59 PM »
I want to nip any Pfeiffer-inspired criticism in the bud.

If one is concerned about lack of new Resistance priests being ordained, I want to know DETAILS about men who are supposedly trained and ready for ordination, who have been refused Ordination by the three Resistance bishops.

I don't want some superficial version, either (for example, just a name, location, and maybe a single photo of the candidate looking pious in his cassock).

To properly judge the situation, we would have to know:

A) what he's like in person. To have spoken with him a bit. Does this reveal any defects? For example, is he on the Asperger's spectrum?
B) to know his academic record
C) to know the details of his training. Where was he trained, and by whom?
D) Did he receive an adequate spiritual/prayer formation, as well as an adequate intellectual formation? Philosophy, logic, metaphysics, canon law, moral theology, St. Thomas Aquinas, Liturgy, Latin, Scripture, Fathers of the Church, apologetics, etc.
E) to know any other details of his beliefs. Is he a sedevacantist? Is he a feeneyite? Is he a loose cannon? Is he mentally unstable? Is he overly emotional?
F) Has he been mixed up in any questionable groups in the past 10 or 15 years? Is he a recent convert to Catholicism and/or Tradition?
G) Is he damaged goods in any way, which might affect his future performance as a priest? Was he abused, forced to grow up without a father, etc.?
H) etc.

For all I know, the person in question is mentally unstable or otherwise inadequate, and H.E. just used a polite excuse like, "I can't ordain a man to be off by himself hundreds of miles from me or any other bishop/priest".

Remember that "he's a nice guy" might be adequate to NOT shun a man, and it might be enough to allow a man to attend Mass at a given chapel. It is NOT an adequate qualification for being raised to one of the highest dignities a man can receive (the Priesthood).

Many are simply not qualified. It's nothing personal. It's not the same as condemning a man to Hell.

If you doubt me, just think of all the people who are automatically disqualified from being a priest: all those born female. And think of all those men who don't have the intellectual or physical ability.

It wasn't the poor guy's fault he was born with a given health disorder, missing a limb, lacking eyesight or hearing, etc. Nevertheless, God has removed him from the list of candidates for the Priesthood. Blessed be His Holy Name.

Ordination is most certainly not a "right". Not by any stretch.


Whose turn to be consecrated Bishop?
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2016, 02:30:05 PM »
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