Author Topic: Whos where (Read 10406 times)

JMacQ · « **on:** April 07, 2016, 06:37:59 AM »

Matthew, erase or modify at will, please.

I am so confused with all the changes of allegiance among the Resistance priests. Probably other folks are confused too. I have been looking around and it is now clear to me that Frs Pfeiffer, Hewko, Cardozo (Brazil), Ribas (Spain), Jacqumin (Belgium), Fuchs (Germany) are together against His Excellency Bishop Williamson. But then Frs Ruiz (Mexico) and Altamira (Columbia) are also against the Bishop and against the Fr Pfeiffer group. Then Frs Meramo, Grosso and Ceriani are home alone. Then in France there are also for and against but I don't read French and Google translates poorly.

Then whatever happened to Fr Iglesias? Fr de Merode who was put in charge in France? Fr Valan (India)? Frs Vargas, Bruhwiller, Zaby, Sauer, Avril, Raffali, Trauner, Vignalou, d'Agneau, N'dong?

Wouldn't it be helpful to put together a list of who's where clarifying the position/allegiance of all the priests who signed the Resistance declaration of Vienna and the Letter to the Faithful, and those who came later?

JMacQ · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:38:56 AM »

I understand perfectly well His Excellency Bishop Williamson when he says that there are resistants, nor a Resistance.

What I am saying, and you undestood it perfectly well but couldn't help posting your smart aleckly reply, is that we have come to a point in which we don't know where some priests stand who used to support Bishop Williamson.

We have been sending a small contribution to Mexico every month and now we find out that the priest we were supporting is at odds with MY Bishop.

This is just one example of why I think it's useful, to say the least, to know who among the Resistance clergy (yeah, yeah, I know, there is no resistance, spare me a reply please) is for and who is against MY Bishop, the one I believe almost every member here loves and supports.

richard · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:45:12 AM »

Quote from: JMacQ

Matthew, erase or modify at will, please.

I am so confused with all the changes of allegiance among the Resistance priests. Probably other folks are confused too. I have been looking around and it is now clear to me that Frs Pfeiffer, Hewko, Cardozo (Brazil), Ribas (Spain), Jacqumin (Belgium), Fuchs (Germany) are together against His Excellency Bishop Williamson. But then Frs Ruiz (Mexico) and Altamira (Columbia) are also against the Bishop and against the Fr Pfeiffer group. Then Frs Meramo, Grosso and Ceriani are home alone. Then in France there are also for and against but I don't read French and Google translates poorly.

Then whatever happened to Fr Iglesias? Fr de Merode who was put in charge in France? Fr Valan (India)? Frs Vargas, Bruhwiller, Zaby, Sauer, Avril, Raffali, Trauner, Vignalou, d'Agneau, N'dong?

Wouldn't it be helpful to put together a list of who's where clarifying the position/allegiance of all the priests who signed the Resistance declaration of Vienna and the Letter to the Faithful, and those who came later?

Well said,I agree completely.

JMacQ · « **Reply #3 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:46:07 AM »

Thanks

richard · « **Reply #4 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:48:53 AM »

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Thanks

A list of priest would be most helpful,good idea.

Don · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:52:36 AM »

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I understand perfectly well His Excellency Bishop Williamson when he says that there are resistants, not a Resistance.

What I am saying, and you undestood it perfectly well but couldn't help posting your smart aleckly reply, is that we have come to a point in which we don't know where some priests stand who used to support Bishop Williamson.

well i think its very simple... ask bishop williamson which priests hes working with if you want to give them financial support or whatever... same with bishop Faure and Dom Tomas.... no point asking folks on a message board who only know as much as you do.... ask the bishops or priests themselves if you really want to know

JMacQ · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:55:43 AM »

Thank God for your immense wisdom, I never thought about that, to ask the bishop for a list of his friends and foes. What a crazy idea of mine coming here to ask for information.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2016, 09:00:33 AM »

After reading these posts they themselves are confusing, after you figure out who is for who, next week it will be those who were for are now against them.

Ekim · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2016, 09:12:42 AM »

And what's wrong with having a directory of independent priests? Sounds like a smart idea. I might even like to know where their Mass centers are and times of services.

stgobnait · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2016, 09:49:59 AM »

Well all I know is that BW annoyed the hell out of me....

wallflower · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:11:49 AM »

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I thought it would be useful

I partly agree with you. A directory of independent Resistance-minded priests would be helpful. If I remember correctly, Mater put one together a while ago. Maybe it was just religious houses? Unfortunately I don't have the link anymore.

I don't know if noting the politics of who they agree with or disagree with would be helpful since, as independents, it might change too frequently or depend too much on hearsay to be accurate.

If you don't know any of the priests personally, it might be better to send your donations to the Bishop directly or to one of the main religious houses that is known to be on the same page, such as Avrille or the Monastery in Brazil.

There are few stable independent/Resistance chapels too (FL, TX and BC come to mind but there are more I think). They may need help as well.

JMacQ · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:48:58 AM »

Why do you keep derailing the thread with platitudes? We all know what Resistance means, just as we all know what Traditional Catholic means. Imperfect names, yes, but we all know what we are referring to. Open a thread if you want but it would be good to keep this one going as it it or just erase it. No trolling please. Is that the word? And is it really so difficult to understand that there are some of us (now I know I'm not the only one, thanks Richard) interested in knowing who is who and where do they stand regarding Bishop Williamson. Because I will not support any priest who is against him.

"A platitude is a trite, meaningless, or prosaic statement, generally directed at quelling social, emotional, or cognitive unease."
"A troll disturbs or disrupts normal on-topic discussions"
"Derailing a thread is the act of throwing a thread in a discussion forum off topic, oftentimes so much so that the original discussion is unable to continue"

Don · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:52:22 AM »

plus the former SSPX priests in france and some of the former SSPX priests allied with them in other countries have given themselves a name and it aint 'the resistance' its the USML or Union sacerdotal marcel Lefebvre..... and others work with them and other people as well but are independent...... and others work with them and dont want to be associated with *the thing* called the resistance....... plus the name *the resistance* is associated with the kentucky fried chicken farm and hardly anyone wants to be associated with that....... too many problems in the name and trying to make a list under that name

Don · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:55:51 AM »

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And is it really so difficult to understand that there are some of us (now I know I'm not the only one, thanks Richard) interested in knowing who is who and where do they stand regarding Bishop Williamson. Because I will not support any priest who is against him.

get off you backside then and ask him like i suggested before.... its the only way your gonna find out for sure

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2016, 11:23:04 AM »

This thread brings up a very good point:

We should all be EDUCATED VOTERS when it comes to what priests we vote for with our dollars.

Throwing dollars to the wind, giving money to every priest with a cassock is fine, if you're Bill Gates and you can give to ALL of them, or at least not neglect the worthy ones...

But for most people who make less than, say, $250,000 a year, to give to a less-worthy cause means you WON'T be able to give to some very worthy causes. That is the part that bothers me a lot. Watching bad priests waste money on playing war, while I watch good priests hindered in their Godly apostolates by lack of funds!

I'm constantly coming across worthy causes for a Traditional Catholic's alms.

http://www.cathinfo.com/resistance/

(That is supposed to be a neutral directory; about the only place on there I wouldn't advise supporting is Fr. Pfeiffer's group. That is because he has plenty to LIVE on, but he is trying to run a "war" with his money. He wastes it on things like War Councils in England and flying around the country trying to "defend his territory" by saying Mass at a protest location for 1 or 2 families he can sucker in)

Long story short, if you don't know much about a priest, I wouldn't blindly send him checks. Maybe write to him or call him first. If he won't give you the time of day, or is so private he won't even share his e-mail address/phone number with BENEFACTORS or potential benefactors, or he won't deign to call you back, then I guess he doesn't want your support very bad!

That would seem to be a great solution to this problem.

This is an issue that I believe strongly about. Too many people are supporting priests they shouldn't, and ignoring priests they should be supporting.

The most worthy priests should get the most support, so they can do lots of good. Yes, Fr. Pfeiffer is a priest. But there LOTS of other priests (faithful to Tradition and doing good work), and pretty much ANY OF THEM would be a better place to send your money. By sending to Fr. Pfeiffer, you fund the war against +Williamson, Fr. Zendejas, Fr. Voigt, etc. which is horrible. Better to send your money to those priests being attacked!