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Offline SeanJohnson

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Who Would Make A Good Resistance Bishop?
« on: December 04, 2012, 07:58:33 PM »
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  • One hardliner cleric asked me, "Well supposing Bishop Williamson were desirous of consecrating a bishop.  Whom would you recommend?"

    The point was well taken, inasmuch as it pointed out that the resistance is so small, the pool of worthy candidates is even smaller.

    For my own part, my nomination was for Dom Thomas Aquinas, OSB (Brazil).

    Who else is out there?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Who Would Make A Good Resistance Bishop?
    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 09:02:39 PM »
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  • I have nothing to contribute to this thread, but I will be very interested to watch it unfold.
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    Who Would Make A Good Resistance Bishop?
    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 09:05:23 PM »
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  • Why only one? " In for a penny, in for a pound."

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    Who Would Make A Good Resistance Bishop?
    « Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 09:07:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    Why only one? " In for a penny, in for a pound."


    Indeed!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Telesphorus

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    Who Would Make A Good Resistance Bishop?
    « Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 09:12:54 PM »
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  • There need to be bishops to preserve the Holy Orders.

    Perfect candidates are not always available.  Those with the humility and will to responsibly make use of the power of bishop should be made bishop.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 09:57:37 PM »
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  • It seem to me that, based on some of +Williamson's approaches, the first pick would be Fr. Trincado.

    Other capable candidates would be a little obvious: Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, Dom Tomas Aquinas; but living a monastic benedictine life might be a hindrance to the latter... God knows though.

    What is certain is that Bishop Williamson has disclosed to one of these priests cited above that the matter of new consecrations is not up for debate, it will happen and it will not be only one either, it most likely be the same number Archbishop Lefebvre used.

    Deo Gratias and may this day promptly come.  :incense:

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    « Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 10:09:54 PM »
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  • If he'd need to wait about 6 months to do it right anyhow, I'd say aim for

    June 30, 2013

    Which would be exactly 25 years after his own consecration by Archbishop Lefebvre -- the famous Consecration of the 4 Bishops in 1988 known as "Operation Survival"
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    « Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 12:12:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: AntiFellayism
    It seem to me that, based on some of +Williamson's approaches, the first pick would be Fr. Trincado.

    Other capable candidates would be a little obvious: Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, Dom Tomas Aquinas; but living a monastic benedictine life might be a hindrance to the latter... God knows though.

    What is certain is that Bishop Williamson has disclosed to one of these priests cited above that the matter of new consecrations is not up for debate, it will happen and it will not be only one either, it most likely be the same number Archbishop Lefebvre used.

    Deo Gratias and may this day promptly come.  :incense:


    I heard that some of these "candidates" have worn red sashes whilst in Manila. If what was reported is true then I would ask if this was a hint on their part to be made bishops. I hope Bishop Williamson will make public the list of candidates, in the same way that banns are announced before a marriage, giving us faithful a chance to voice our concerns and objections.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 12:21:18 AM »
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  • The one who immediately strikes me as a Bishop is Father Hewko.



    Although, we need more Bishops consecrated as soon as possible.

    There are dangerously... two few good Bishops left in the world.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #9 on: December 05, 2012, 12:59:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: AJNC
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    It seem to me that, based on some of +Williamson's approaches, the first pick would be Fr. Trincado.

    Other capable candidates would be a little obvious: Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, Dom Tomas Aquinas; but living a monastic benedictine life might be a hindrance to the latter... God knows though.

    What is certain is that Bishop Williamson has disclosed to one of these priests cited above that the matter of new consecrations is not up for debate, it will happen and it will not be only one either, it most likely be the same number Archbishop Lefebvre used.

    Deo Gratias and may this day promptly come.  :incense:


    I heard that some of these "candidates" have worn red sashes whilst in Manila. If what was reported is true then I would ask if this was a hint on their part to be made bishops. I hope Bishop Williamson will make public the list of candidates, in the same way that banns are announced before a marriage, giving us faithful a chance to voice our concerns and objections.


    That is ridiculous.

    Who would be seeing their wardrobe anyhow -- the Faithful? How would this achieve the so-called "desired objective" -- it would have to be seen by a Bishop to do any good. Is it supposed to be some kind of subliminal message?

    Anyhow, I don't know what your problem is with these holy priests, and I don't think I want to know. These priests are not the ambitious ones, or they would be accordistas. Saying Mass in garages and basements for a dozen or two Faithful is not the dream of ambitious priests.

    If they become Bishops, I'm sure they'd take their responsibilities as seriously as they currently take their priesthood -- which is "very".

    Your "allegation" is slanderous, but more importantly it holds no water, makes little sense, and has no credibility.

    Red sashes are worn in the Indian missions:
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    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20605&min=15&num=5
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    Who Would Make A Good Resistance Bishop?
    « Reply #10 on: December 05, 2012, 08:15:58 AM »
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    . . .  Dom Tomas Aquinas; but living a monastic benedictine life might be a hindrance to the latter... God knows though.

    Deo Gratias and may this day promptly come.  :incense:


    I think having one or more religious order bishop would be a great idea as that would get the orders out from under secular bishops and possibly forestall the problem they've had getting their ordinations completed through the SSPX. There have been bishops and popes from each of these orders, so it would a continuation of Tradition.

    Perhaps one Benedictine, one Franciscan and one Dominican?  :pray:


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    « Reply #11 on: December 05, 2012, 10:29:08 AM »
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    It seem to me that, based on some of +Williamson's approaches, the first pick would be Fr. Trincado.

    Other capable candidates would be a little obvious: Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, Dom Tomas Aquinas; but living a monastic benedictine life might be a hindrance to the latter... God knows though.

    What is certain is that Bishop Williamson has disclosed to one of these priests cited above that the matter of new consecrations is not up for debate, it will happen and it will not be only one either, it most likely be the same number Archbishop Lefebvre used.

    Deo Gratias and may this day promptly come.  :incense:


    I heard that some of these "candidates" have worn red sashes whilst in Manila. If what was reported is true then I would ask if this was a hint on their part to be made bishops. I hope Bishop Williamson will make public the list of candidates, in the same way that banns are announced before a marriage, giving us faithful a chance to voice our concerns and objections.


    That is ridiculous.

    Who would be seeing their wardrobe anyhow -- the Faithful? How would this achieve the so-called "desired objective" -- it would have to be seen by a Bishop to do any good. Is it supposed to be some kind of subliminal message?

    Anyhow, I don't know what your problem is with these holy priests, and I don't think I want to know. These priests are not the ambitious ones, or they would be accordistas. Saying Mass in garages and basements for a dozen or two Faithful is not the dream of ambitious priests.

    If they become Bishops, I'm sure they'd take their responsibilities as seriously as they currently take their priesthood -- which is "very".

    Your "allegation" is slanderous, but more importantly it holds no water, makes little sense, and has no credibility.

    Red sashes are worn in the Indian missions:
    (scroll down to the bottom to see some pictures)
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20605&min=15&num=5


    Ok, this is my disturbing discovery for the day.

    Not just AJNC, but TWO OTHER people thumbed down this post. I have no idea what's objectionable about it.

    NOTE: I don't usually complain about thumbs down that I receive. Usually they are understandable, when I deal with a controversial topic. Remember the one about Dialogue Masses? I had no problem with that. I don't whine "Hey, who thumbed me down" because I find that quite annoying. Anyone should be able to take a bit of criticism.

    In this case, however, I think it's pretty serious because I was just defending the good name of the Resistance priests against a rather ridiculous post/assertion!

    Apparently THREE people think these Resistance priests are bad, ambitious, etc. and I'm not happy about that at all. It's the same feeling as when I discover I have another Accordista on the board! I usually have to do something about it.

    It's not about "patience" or taking some hits to my pride, etc. -- it affects the direction of the board. That's why I say I often have to do something about it.

    How about one or more of you REBUT what I said like a man, rather than anonymously thumbing it down like a coward. I can find out who you are anyhow, so might as well come clean.
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    « Reply #12 on: December 05, 2012, 12:04:31 PM »
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  • As most have surely surmised by now, I am hardly in the camp of the "resistance" but the comment by AJNC struck me as not only absurd but once again it is saturated with that "independent" American attitude that is rampant in Catholicism EVEN Traditional Catholicism today:

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    I hope Bishop Williamson will make public the list of candidates, in the same way that banns are announced before a marriage, giving us faithful a chance to voice our concerns and objections.


    The faithful have no say in who or who is not to become a bishop!   Catholics today act as if they are Anglicans, who truly DO get a "vote" on who is a bishop and also a vote on what is "law" and what is not in their churches.  This is simply ridiculous, coming from a Catholic and a statement such as this by AJNC should not be ignored because it sheds light on a BIG problem in Tradition, the problem of the Faithful knowing their place.  

    Just my two cents...


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    « Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 12:18:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cronier
    As most have surely surmised by now, I am hardly in the camp of the "resistance" but the comment by AJNC struck me as not only absurd but once again it is saturated with that "independent" American attitude that is rampant in Catholicism EVEN Traditional Catholicism today:


    That's an incredibly stupid comment, seeing as AJNC, if I recall correctly, is from India.

    Enough of this garbage from judaized trads about "Americanism"

    Not liking a bunch of French interlopers who send the good priests packing isn't "Americanism"

    Familiarity with the arrogance of certain priests isn't "Americanism" either.

    We need less arrogant priests.

    Priests who don't claim authority that isn't there's to claim.

    Those "Church of Fellay" priests really are sectarians.  

    And they are also liberals, from the poisoned, authoritarian "liberal" continent of Europe.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 05, 2012, 12:22:41 PM »
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  • One need not be an American to be saturated with the effects of Americanism.  The world is saturated with "Americanism."