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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2023, 06:12:39 AM

Title: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2023, 06:12:39 AM: My vote is someone from the "powerbrokers" category, like Schmidberger or du Chalard: These men have beeen running the SSPX behind the scenes (at least with regard to Roman relations) for decades. Schmidberger was a longtime friend of BXVI (so much so that +Lefebvre had begun working to ensure he was not reelected in 1994). And du Chalard has been the primary liaison between Rome and Menzingen for over three decades. Expelled as superior by the Sisters of the Cenacle (i.e., SiSiNoNo), he is Rome's kind of liberal. Both are GREC supporters, overt ralliests, and have been selling the deal for decades. Rome will feel most comfortable with this kind of candidate. Lorans (a GREC co-founder) would be my dark horse, and I think Celier's reputation is too flagrantly suspect to be viable.

If the candidate comes from outside this category, my money is on LeRoux (who is already being replaced at the seminary by Fr. Goldaddy, in preparation for a new role in the SSPX).
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Ladislaus on April 21, 2023, 06:19:41 AM: How about the option of "no one"?

But if they WERE to consecrate bishops, it would be the liberals and the +Fellay yes-men.

My guess would be Celier, Robinson, and Schmidberger ... which they can spin as being multi-national: US/English, French, German. All of these are bad news. I might even through a Laisney into the mix, having been a "good and faithful servant" (of liberalism) over the years.

I'm not sure there will be 3 though. Could be just one, to replace the expelled +Williamson and the ailing +Tissier. If the pick one, it would be someone who's fluent in multiple languages.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2023, 06:26:47 AM: Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2023, 06:19:41 AM
How about the option of "no one"?

That is the only course of action Rome could take to endanger their capture of the SSPX (and therefore the least likely possibility).
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: AMDGJMJ on April 21, 2023, 06:51:00 AM: What if they just "adopted" Hounder, Burke and Schneider? :popcorn:
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Ladislaus on April 21, 2023, 06:53:17 AM: Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2023, 06:26:47 AM
That is the only course of action Rome could take to endanger their capture of the SSPX (and therefore the least likely possibility).

Well, just because you don't accept that it would be no one, it's still a legitimate option for your poll, as others might disagree.

I don't think anyone will be consecrated this year.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Ladislaus on April 21, 2023, 06:55:02 AM: Quote from: AMDGJMJ on April 21, 2023, 06:51:00 AM
What if they just "adopted" Hounder, Burke and Schneider? :popcorn:

See, this is even a scarier hypothesis. Instead of consecrating new, just give them Huonder and maybe let Huonder and Schneider ordain priests for them. See, "there's no shortage" and no "necessity" because we'll loan you our guys (Huonder and Schneider).

As I said, the worse prospect here is for Huonder to start ordaining priests. AFAIK, he's already doing Confirmations, hearing Confessions, and offering public Mass ... when it's dubious that he's even a valid priest.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: BigFLAVA on April 21, 2023, 07:08:49 AM: I do not believe well see an anglophone or a French priest amongst those consecrated.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Texana on April 22, 2023, 11:16:33 AM: Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2023, 06:55:02 AM
See, this is even a scarier hypothesis. Instead of consecrating new, just give them Huonder and maybe let Huonder and Schneider ordain priests for them. See, "there's no shortage" and no "necessity" because we'll loan you our guys (Huonder and Schneider).

As I said, the worse prospect here is for Huonder to start ordaining priests. AFAIK, he's already doing Confirmations, hearing Confessions, and offering public Mass ... when it's dubious that he's even a valid priest.
Dear Ladislaus, How do you know that Huonder is doing confirmations, etc. so that we can ask our priest if he knows what is happening in the Society? He staunchly defends Archbishop Lefebvre's decisions but he's young and very intelligent. Trojan Horse stories don't compute. Please say it ain't so!
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Ladislaus on April 22, 2023, 11:20:36 AM: Quote from: Texana on April 22, 2023, 11:16:33 AM
Dear Ladislaus, How do you know that Huonder is doing confirmations, etc. so that we can ask our priest if he knows what is happening in the Society? He staunchly defends Archbishop Lefebvre's decisions but he's young and very intelligent. Trojan Horse stories don't compute. Please say it ain't so!

I simply saw that posted here by a source that I considered reputable.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 22, 2023, 10:09:08 PM: Novus Ordo Watch is reporting that a former bursar of the SSPX (who left to join the conciliar church several years ago) is one of those to be consecrated bishop.

If it is true, the trap becomes obvious.

As an aside, +Williamson told me that when he was transferred by Fellay from Winona to Argentina, this same priest told +Williamson not to worry about the reason for the transfer (whereas the reality was that it was clearly a major move in Fellay’s long ralliement):

Pablo Enrique Suárez ¿Nuevo obispo?
Un contacto dentro de la Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pío X nos informó que el presbítero Pablo Enrique Suárez, argentino, ordenado en el año 2001 por el obispo lefebvrista Alfonso José de Galarreta, y que actualmente vive en Roma cobijado por Bergoglio (alias Francisco) y con «autorización» del superior Pro. Davide Pagliarani, sería «consagrado obispo» en poco tiempo más.
(https://sursumpost.files.wordpress.com/2023/04/6a00d83451619c69e201b7c918a18f970b-800wi.jpg?w=800)
Pablo Suárez, primero en la foto.

La salida de quien fuera el Administrador General de la Fraternidad lefevrista generó siempre sospechas y suspicacias, especialmente entre quienes lo sufrieron en el priorato. Según el grupo de la «resistencia» del Obispo Richard Williamson la salida de Suárez se debió, principalmente a sus grandes y graves diferencias con el superior Pagliarani.
Quienes tuvieron la posibilidad de conocer a Suárez reconocerán que está a punto de alcanzar lo que siempre quiso: una mitra, aunque para eso deba vender a su propia madre.

https://sursumpost.wordpress.com/2023/04/19/pablo-enrique-suarez-nuevo-obispo/
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Plenus Venter on April 23, 2023, 06:37:36 AM: Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2023, 06:55:02 AM
See, this is even a scarier hypothesis. Instead of consecrating new, just give them Huonder and maybe let Huonder and Schneider ordain priests for them. See, "there's no shortage" and no "necessity" because we'll loan you our guys (Huonder and Schneider).

As I said, the worse prospect here is for Huonder to start ordaining priests. AFAIK, he's already doing Confirmations, hearing Confessions, and offering public Mass ... when it's dubious that he's even a valid priest.
I agree. I would be surprised if there were consecrations for the SSPX any time soon. I think they will continue along the path of making the faithful more and more comfortable in practice with the ministrations of the new doubtful bishops until they reach the point where they no longer have any concerns over the question of validity. My guess is that they will then arrange for a consecration of an SSPX priest at a time (e.g. a lockdown) when only a new bishop like Huonder can consecrate. Otherwise, how would they avoid having real bishops as co-consecrators, which they would surely not want?
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: trento on April 24, 2023, 04:01:06 AM: Let's see who are the real and false prophets. :popcorn:
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 24, 2023, 04:12:55 AM: Quote from: trento on April 24, 2023, 04:01:06 AM
Let's see who are the real and false prophets. :popcorn:

Pagliarani’s announcement to prepare the terrain is good enough for me.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Matthew on April 24, 2023, 03:03:49 PM: Perhaps you have already received this link containing some information about a Bishop for the SSPX, either to help in the episcopal ministry or to help to regularize them.

Fr. Pablo Suarez, former sspx General bursar, left the society about 6 years ago to be under the guidance of Pope Francis, who sent him to the Gregorian University in Rome so that he could obtain a master degree in Canon Law, "with permission of Fr Paglariani".
Last week they announced his episcopal consecration.

By who? Or What for?

Keep an eye on this news.

https://sursumpost.wordpress.com/2023/04/19/pablo-enrique-suarez-nuevo-obispo/ (https://sursumpost.wordpress.com/2023/04/19/pablo-enrique-suarez-nuevo-obispo/)
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Jr1991 on April 24, 2023, 05:04:48 PM: So now that the Neo-SSPX is about to join(or has already joined) the New One World religion, what do the faithful who still attend their chapels do?
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: trento on April 25, 2023, 01:27:23 AM: Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 24, 2023, 04:12:55 AM
Pagliarani’s announcement to prepare the terrain is good enough for me.

Source? Too many different stories going around.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: isoquote on April 25, 2023, 02:57:36 AM: Please God the Vatican’s selection of bishop for the SSPX is a true conversion, I wonder if the conditional ordination and consecration will happen in June as the rumours have predicted 🤔:-

“ since 2015 he has had the time to study and get to know the work of the SSPX better, including the intentions of its French founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
Huonder says that this time of study has given him “a new perspective,” a “new view on the past 70, 80 years” of Church history. Calling the experience a “retractatio,” Huonder says he now better understands the causes of the current crisis in the Church, and the reality that this crisis is actually “one of the greatest crises of her history.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/pope-francis-says-the-sspx-are-not-schismatics-retired-swiss-bishop/
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 25, 2023, 05:40:31 AM: Quote from: trento on April 25, 2023, 01:27:23 AM
Source?
Fr. Pagliarani (but has the Non Possumus announcement attributing this modus operandi to him been removed?).
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Ladislaus on April 25, 2023, 06:42:11 AM: Between Huonder and Suarez, why would the SSPX need more bishops?
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 25, 2023, 06:29:22 PM: Last weekend, Fr. Pagliarani asked all superiors to prepare people for episcopal consecration sin June.
Title: Re: Who Will the SSPX Consecrate?
Post by: Ladislaus on April 25, 2023, 06:35:47 PM: Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 25, 2023, 06:29:22 PM
Last weekend, Fr. Pagliarani asked all superiors to prepare people for episcopal consecration sin June.

I'll believe it when I see it or could just as easily be referring to prepping the people to accept the newly-consecrated Suarez.