Author Topic: Who supposedly, by his account, ordained Bill Moran? (Read 5702 times)

Recusant Sede · « **on:** October 26, 2015, 06:55:02 AM »

Regarding Bishop Ambrose Moran, the fake Archbishop

In the video below Ambrose Moran says he studied under Cardinal Slipyj and was ordained in 1974 but he doesn't say who ordained him, but he gives the impression that the Cardinal did it. A priest friend of mine said that back in the mid to late 70’s they traced the name of his ordaining "bishop" to a janitor on Long Island. When confronted by the janitor claim, I was told, by a very reliable source, that Moran said that the name janitor was just a nick name that they called the "bishop"!

My question is, did he ever give the full name for the "bishop" who supposedly ordained him and if so what was it?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2015, 07:15:43 AM »

Moran blamed it on Cardinal Slipyj. In a docuмent that he signed for the Orthodox, he claimed it was some Orthohdox bishop.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #2 on:** October 26, 2015, 07:36:15 AM »

Ambrose signing that he formally rejects the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #3 on:** October 26, 2015, 07:39:01 AM »

Ambrose in a highly edited photo with Cardinal Slipyj. I think it's safe to say that Cardinal Slipyj did not ordain him or consecrate him.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** October 26, 2015, 07:44:33 AM »

His letter and claims to the Orthodox. His claims he was ordained by the Archbishop Nicholas of the Ukrainian Orthodox church. He seems to cover his past with more detail to the Orthodox, suggesting that he has revealed more truth to them than to Traditional Catholics.

The only sane judgement is that he is both a liar and a schismatic or that he is all of this and a fake bishop as well.

There is no good outcome with this Moran. Unless you were an uptight priest looking for a "consecration".

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #5 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:33:03 AM »

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His letter and claims to the Orthodox. His claims he was ordained by the Archbishop Nicholas of the Ukrainian Orthodox church. He seems to cover his past with more detail to the Orthodox, suggesting that he has revealed more truth to them than to Traditional Catholics.

The only sane judgement is that he is both a liar and a schismatic or that he is all of this and a fake bishop as well.

There is no good outcome with this Moran. Unless you were an uptight priest looking for a "consecration".

Can you give a link for this letter? Thanks in advance.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:47:20 AM »

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His letter and claims to the Orthodox. His claims he was ordained by the Archbishop Nicholas of the Ukrainian Orthodox church. He seems to cover his past with more detail to the Orthodox, suggesting that he has revealed more truth to them than to Traditional Catholics.

The only sane judgement is that he is both a liar and a schismatic or that he is all of this and a fake bishop as well.

There is no good outcome with this Moran. Unless you were an uptight priest looking for a "consecration".

Can you give a link for this letter? Thanks in advance.

No, I can't, because it was sent to me directly by the Orthodox bishop Gregory. You can find his email online. He also sent me the pictures and made some comments about Ambrose.

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:51:15 AM »

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His letter and claims to the Orthodox. His claims he was ordained by the Archbishop Nicholas of the Ukrainian Orthodox church. He seems to cover his past with more detail to the Orthodox, suggesting that he has revealed more truth to them than to Traditional Catholics.

The only sane judgement is that he is both a liar and a schismatic or that he is all of this and a fake bishop as well.

There is no good outcome with this Moran. Unless you were an uptight priest looking for a "consecration".

Can you give a link for this letter? Thanks in advance.

No, I can't, because it was sent to me directly by the Orthodox bishop Gregory. You can find his email online. He also sent me the pictures and made some comments about Ambrose.

Thanks so much! But to answer the original question, who did he claim he was ordained by when asked by the resistance priests? Did he say it was Cardinal Slipyj or someone else?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:54:03 AM »

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His letter and claims to the Orthodox. His claims he was ordained by the Archbishop Nicholas of the Ukrainian Orthodox church. He seems to cover his past with more detail to the Orthodox, suggesting that he has revealed more truth to them than to Traditional Catholics.

The only sane judgement is that he is both a liar and a schismatic or that he is all of this and a fake bishop as well.

There is no good outcome with this Moran. Unless you were an uptight priest looking for a "consecration".

Can you give a link for this letter? Thanks in advance.

No, I can't, because it was sent to me directly by the Orthodox bishop Gregory. You can find his email online. He also sent me the pictures and made some comments about Ambrose.

Thanks so much! But to answer the original question, who did he claim he was ordained by when asked by the resistance priests? Did he say it was Cardinal Slipyj or someone else?

From what I remember he was ordained and consecrated by Cardinal Slipyj within two years apart.

PG · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2015, 09:16:30 AM »

recusant - I am so glad you have joined us in this conversation. Your connection to that 1970s william bill moran "janitor" story is extremely valuable. And, we are all dying to know, who is that priest you know who met fr. bill moran in 1976 in huntington long island? And, this gets really interesting, because ambrose moran in his sunday sermon at kentucky said that there are rumors that he is a "school janitor". So, he knows of that 1976 fr. kelly investigation. And, very few do. Fr. kelly and fr. sanborn were the only two in NY back then, and +sanborn only "vaguely" remembers it. So, you have struck gold with your connection.

Some other news set us for a temporary spin when it was discovered that there is another fr. william "bill" moran born in 1952 currently living in huntington NY. He is an x catholic priest who now works for citi ministries. You can look him up online and see his phone number and email. So, we were questioning if this ambrose moran was the fr. "bill" moran from the 1976 huntington event that you revealed, or if the citi ministries fr. william bill/moran was that guy. They are two different people. So, can you please contact your priest friend and have him identify if the ambrose moran that we have all sorts of old pictures of is the fr. bill moran he met in 1976? Go to ambrosemoran.wordpress website and show him the pictures.

Outside of that, you should read the entire threads we have here on ambrose. I don't have the patience to go over it all here. I will just say, that ambrose is a con man. Many if not all of his docuмents and signatures are forged. His important pictures are either surely photoshop or suspect of photoshop. He has multiple stories of his history that he uses depending on which group he wants to infiltrate. For the orthodox schismatics, he says he as ordained and consecrated schismatic bishop(s), and to catholics he was conescrated by catholic bishops that are different than his schismatic story. He is a cia 5th pillar con man. That is for sure. And, he is likely not a priest or bishop.

We already have nailed his coffin shut with the revelations from +gregory of colorado who was temporarily infiltrated by ambrose. But, we would love for you to put to rest the other curiosity we have here at cathinfo. And, that is, whether this ambrose moran is the "father bill moran" your priest friend met, or whether he is not. Because, if he is not, then tat means this ambrose moran is the "school janitory" that ordained the guy your priest friend met. Because, he knows the story, and that means he is connected in some way.

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #10 on:** October 26, 2015, 09:27:48 AM »

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recusant - I am so glad you have joined us in this conversation. Your connection to that 1970s william bill moran "janitor" story is extremely valuable. And, we are all dying to know, who is that priest you know who met fr. bill moran in 1976 in huntington long island? And, this gets really interesting, because ambrose moran in his sunday sermon at kentucky said that there are rumors that he is a "school janitor". So, he knows of that 1976 fr. kelly investigation. And, very few do. Fr. kelly and fr. sanborn were the only two in NY back then, and +sanborn only "vaguely" remembers it. So, you have struck gold with your connection.

Some other news set us for a temporary spin when it was discovered that there is another fr. william "bill" moran born in 1952 currently living in huntington NY. He is an x catholic priest who now works for citi ministries. You can look him up online and see his phone number and email. So, we were questioning if this ambrose moran was the fr. "bill" moran from the 1976 huntington event that you revealed, or if the citi ministries fr. william bill/moran was that guy. They are two different people. So, can you please contact your priest friend and have him identify if the ambrose moran that we have all sorts of old pictures of is the fr. bill moran he met in 1976? Go to ambrosemoran.wordpress website and show him the pictures.

Outside of that, you should read the entire threads we have here on ambrose. I don't have the patience to go over it all here. I will just say, that ambrose is a con man. Many if not all of his docuмents and signatures are forged. His important pictures are either surely photoshop or suspect of photoshop. He has multiple stories of his history that he uses depending on which group he wants to infiltrate. For the orthodox schismatics, he says he as ordained and consecrated schismatic bishop(s), and to catholics he was conescrated by catholic bishops that are different than his schismatic story. He is a cia 5th pillar con man. That is for sure. And, he is likely not a priest or bishop.

We already have nailed his coffin shut with the revelations from +gregory of colorado who was temporarily infiltrated by ambrose. But, we would love for you to put to rest the other curiosity we have here at cathinfo. And, that is, whether this ambrose moran is the "father bill moran" your priest friend met, or whether he is not. Because, if he is not, then tat means this ambrose moran is the "school janitory" that ordained the guy your priest friend met. Because, he knows the story, and that means he is connected in some way.

Hi,

Are you sure that there are two bill Morans? Do you have a picture of the 1952 Moran? I asked my priest friend if the pictures on Ambrose's website are of the Bill Moran that he knew back in the 70's and he is 100% sure it is him. There is no question about it.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** October 26, 2015, 09:55:50 AM »

Don't forget the two ordination/consecration certificates being on the exact same stationary, even though they were separated by years.

You'll notice I've downgraded this joke from "bishop" Moran or "Father" Moran to Mr. Moran or Mr. Ambrose Moran. To me, the case is closed. Until I see some real proof of his ordination/consecration, he's a layman to me. And that's what we should consider him, given the evidence so far.

I'd never go to his "mass", not even if it were the only option. Why? Because we must #1 seek out DOUBT FREE sacraments. That means the Tridentine Mass, and that means validly ordained priests.

But far from "I haven't seen proof of ordination yet", I've actually seen a lot of smoke and mirrors and attempts at deception, some of them clever, some of them not-so-clever. Even some of his attempts at deception have been quite ham-fisted and missing the mark. So far from achieving his goal, he has actually dug himself a deep hole -- he's not just a layman, he's a con-man. Even if he came up with some awesome "proof" tomorrow I'd be suspicious at this point, knowing that he's a notorious con man.

You don't get a "do over" once you try to con/lie to someone. I've said this before with regards to Boston, KY. If a man knocks on my door and says, "I'll wash your car for $100" and I refuse, then he comes back with, "Ok, ok -- I'm sorry for trying to rip you off. I'll do it for $10." I'd still say "get lost", because he tried to rip me off on the first try.

Another good analogy -- It would be like a single man (with bad intentions on a girl) going up to a beautiful young lady and saying, "Do you want to be in my bed tonight?", she slaps him across the face, then he "starts over" and pretends to properly woo her, ask her on a regular date, etc. What should the girl do then? Still dismiss him, of course! He already revealed his true self.

Once you take the wrong path (a "cad" or guy looking for a hookup) you can't rewind and "pretend I didn't say that" and try another tack (the nice guy pursuing a girl for love).

The ONLY way that man would be able to court THAT particular girl, would be for him to A) REPENT, B) GO on an Ignatian Retreat, C) Show various proofs that he has changed his life, D) have the girl know this for a fact, and E) this girl chooses to forgive him/give him another chance.

PG · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2015, 10:07:19 AM »

recusant - yes there are two fr. bill morans(I know, what are the odds). But, being that your priest friend is 100% sure, I would say that clears it up. This ambrose is the bill moran from 1976. But, that also means he could probably be the "school janitor bishop" as well. Meaning, he ordained and consecrated himself. Because, he is a fraud.

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2015, 10:13:02 AM »

Does anyone know who said Mass in Canada this weekend?

One of his parishioners asked the e-mail list (where the Mass was announced) if it was going to be a valid priest, or Mr. Moran.

She didn't get a response, and so she stayed home from the Mass. This is hardly conclusive though, which is why I ask.

(Personally, I would have gone -- with my camera -- and if it were Mr. Moran I would have taken some pictures, and left. Maybe I would have hung out in the hallway so I could come back in and record the sermon, but I wouldn't have been there for the simulated "mass".)

SoldierofCtK · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2015, 10:39:10 AM »

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Does anyone know who said Mass in Canada this weekend?

If you mean St Catharines, ON it was Fr. Hewko. I was unable to attend but his audio sermon was posted on ecclesiamilitans.com