But... genuflections for the jews were added to the 1962 liturgy?    Did the jews get better somehow?  Of course not!

Since no genuflection was a traditional practice in the Good Friday Liturgy (and we do hope to hold fast to Catholic traditions), which priests are still genuflecting for the jews... and why?

During the Good Friday liturgy at the SAJM mission chapel in Emmett, KS the priests have NOT knelt for the Jews, they stand. This year we will have Bishop Williamson, so I doubt he will kneel for the Jews.

During the Good Friday liturgy at the SAJM mission chapel in Emmett, KS the priests have NOT knelt for the Jews, they stand. This year we will have Bishop Williamson, so I doubt he will kneel for the Jews.

Heck, Bishop Williamson might actually go in the opposite direction and levitate into the air.  In all seriousness, however, +Williamson doesn't care so much about liturgical matters.

What Ladislaus probably means is that +Williamson isn't a stickler for the Liturgy. He isn't meticulous or picky about it. That doesn't mean he goes to the opposite extreme, or commits some sin of defect.

Correct.  Sorry, you're right that it was badly phrased and could be interpreted incorrectly.  +Tissier by contrast is a Liturgical dogmatist.  One time when he was at our chapel doing confirmations he accused the altar servers of being "liturgical heretics" ... and he was NOT joking.

I love you Matto!

Aw thanks. You are a good soul.

No, it really doesn't matter.

Perfidious should not be removed, because the prayer is not for all Jews but for those Jews who have rejected Christ and His Church.  That's what perfidious means.  So it would be theologically incorrect to remove perfidious.

But genuflecting to God when praying for the conversion of the Jews does not matter, not intrinsically, not theologically.  No activity performed by the Jews should determine whether or not I genuflect to God.

Posted by: Ladislaus
« on: Yesterday at 08:05:39 PM

No, it really doesn't matter.
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Ah, but the genuflection does matter... it's all part of the modernist mischief within the bastardized prayer changes.
No matter how you rationalize it, if you genuflect... you're modern my friend.



History of the Good Friday prayer for the Jews

The Good Friday Prayer for the Jews (GFPJ) exists in five versions:

• Old Latin version
• 1955 version (Revised Holy Week under Pope Pius XII)
• 1960 version (Pope John XXIII)
• 1970 version (Pope Paul VI – Novus Ordo)
• 2008 supplement to 1960 version (Benedict XVI’s replacement version for those using the 1962 Missale)

The 2008 version is a replacement GFPJ for the 1960 GFPJ since there was a worry that the 1960 GFPJ was still too offensive.
Before we get into all that, here are the texts of the ancient GFPJs:

Old Latin GFPJ

Let us pray also for the faithless Jews {perfidis Judaeis}: that Almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts; so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord.
Almighty and eternal God, who dost not exclude from thy mercy even Jєωιѕн faithlessness {Judaicam perfidiam}: hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people; that acknowledging the light of thy Truth, which is Christ, they may be delivered from their darkness. Through the same our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, for ever and ever. Amen. (No genuflection)

1955 GFPJ (same text but with kneeling introduced)

Here, the same introduction and prayer are said, but kneeling was added so that the prayer conformed to the other surrounding prayers.

1960 GFPJ (same prayer, but deletes “perfidis” and “perfidiam”)

Let us pray also for the {perfidis} Jews: that almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts; so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord. Let us pray. (Genuflection, Let us kneel. Arise).

Almighty and eternal God, who dost also not exclude from thy mercy the Jews {Judaicam perfidiam}, hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people; that acknowledging the light of thy Truth, which is Christ, they may be delivered from their darkness. Through the same our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, for ever and ever. Amen.

1970 GFPJ (revised to exclude “perfidy, veiled hearts, and blindness”)

Let us pray for the Jєωιѕн people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant. (Prayer in silence. Then the priest says
Almighty and eternal God, long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity. Listen to your Church as we pray that the people you first made your own may arrive at the fullness of redemption. We ask this through Christ our Lord. Amen.

2008 Supplement GFJP for those using the 1962 Latin Rites
(like 1970 Novus Ordo, revised to exclude “perfidy, veiled hearts, and blindness”)

Let us also pray for the Jews: That our God and Lord may illuminate their hearts, that they acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men. (Genuflection Let us pray. Kneel. Rise.)
Almighty and eternal God, who want that all men be saved and come to the recognition of the truth, propitiously grant that even as the fullness of the peoples enters Thy Church, all Israel be saved. Through Christ Our Lord. Amen.

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