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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on November 15, 2025, 05:25:08 PM

Title: Which Betrays the Faith More?
Post by: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on November 15, 2025, 05:25:08 PM
What is worse, the 2012 doctrinal declaration or the civil oath of France

The civil oath of the French Revolution was a crime against the Church, but it was imposed by enemies from outside. Priests were threatened, hunted, and forced to choose between fidelity and death. The Church has always judged such acts as violence from the State, not a betrayal from within.

The 2012 doctrinal declaration was different in nature and worse in effect. It was not forced by persecutors. It was freely written. It accepted principles that Archbishop Lefebvre had identified as the heart of the modern apostasy. It presented the teachings of the Second Vatican Council as compatible with Tradition. It surrendered the doctrinal fight in writing. It attempted to unite the Society with the very errors it was founded to resist.

One was pressed upon priests by the agents of the Revolution.
The other was produced by superiors who knew the truth and compromised it.

The civil oath was an external attack.
The 2012 declaration was an internal collapse.

The first made martyrs.
The second made confusion.


Title: Re: Which Betrays the Faith More?
Post by: Twice dyed on November 15, 2025, 07:16:59 PM
My first thought would say the civil code in France was worse... simply because the sheer number of Catholics persecuted/ killed.
The Doctrinal Declaration was only from one bishop initially. Wasn't there a Cor Unum in early 2013 where + F affirmed every statement of the DD? Something like: Everything in that docuмent is true . 
Fr Hewko stressed this point so many times; +F actually teaching his analysis of Vatican II to this day...and the struggle for the true Faith is much more serious than simply confused...
resulting in lost souls...


Related:
Have you watched this video? + Lefebvre 1986, telling the new ordinands that martyrdom is a reality...
And the interviewer Roger Lovey was the founder of Écône. He was +L 's regular chauffeur!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVVW4Cd0wkE