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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2024, 10:55:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 11, 2024, 10:52:08 AM
    Is there any video or writing of his that supports his not requiring adherence for the seminary? In lieu of that evidence, it seems to me that one can assume that he does require it.
    He says it in the interview with Stephen Heiner.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #31 on: April 11, 2024, 10:59:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 11, 2024, 10:55:33 AM
    He says it in the interview with Stephen Heiner.

    I stand corrected. Is it an old interview? Can you give me a link?
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #32 on: April 11, 2024, 11:00:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 11, 2024, 10:59:42 AM
    I stand corrected. Is it an old interview? Can you give me a link?
    No, 2 months ago. MF posted it above.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #33 on: April 11, 2024, 11:02:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 11, 2024, 10:40:33 AM
    Ah, this seems to explain why there is confusion here.  I'm happy to hear that the requirement is not for the seminarians. 

    Could you clarify the bolded then?  If not the RCI, what are the approved groups that would allow them to be ordained?

    ETA: Just watched the portion of the interview.  It looks like not joining the RCI makes it harder to find approved clergy for subsequent ordination.
    I understand Bp. Sanborn's position. I do not necessarily adhere to the Thesis, but I can see how he would want continuity of belief with the priests within his Institute as to avoid any contention and a potential split as happened with Bp. Dolan
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #34 on: April 11, 2024, 11:04:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 11, 2024, 11:00:44 AM
    No, 2 months ago. MF posted it above.

    I don’t see it?
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #35 on: April 11, 2024, 11:05:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mysterium Fidei on April 11, 2024, 11:02:21 AM
    I understand Bp. Sanborn's position. I do not necessarily adhere to the Thesis, but I can see how he would want continuity of belief with the priests within his Institute as to avoid any contention and a potential split as happened with Bp. Dolan
    Yes, it's understandable; however, I think that it sounds like even though they are not required to adhere to the CT as seminarians, it does make it difficult to move towards ordination if one still doesn't adhere to it once tonsured.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #36 on: April 11, 2024, 11:06:41 AM »
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #37 on: April 11, 2024, 11:07:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 11, 2024, 11:04:52 AM
    I don’t see it?
    That's odd.  It's in post #23.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #38 on: April 11, 2024, 11:08:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 11, 2024, 11:05:54 AM
    Yes, it's understandable; however, I think that it sounds like even though they are not required to adhere to the CT as seminarians, it does make it difficult to move towards ordination if one still doesn't adhere to it once tonsured.
    You also have to think about the practicality of Bishop Sanborn ordaining a totalist priest, where would +Sanborn send that priest? When Bishop Sanborn still had a good relationship with Bishop Dolan and SGG, he was more than happy to send totalist priests to SGG, but now SGG doesn't send their seminarians to MHT.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #39 on: April 11, 2024, 11:13:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 11, 2024, 11:05:54 AM
    Yes, it's understandable; however, I think that it sounds like even though they are not required to adhere to the CT as seminarians, it does make it difficult to move towards ordination if one still doesn't adhere to it once tonsured.
    Well, I'm sure all seminarians going into the seminary are aware of Bp. Sanborn's policy. I don't know what other group or bishop would be acceptable to Bp. Sanborn to ordain a priest that did not adhere to the Thesis. He mentioned Bp. Neville, but he holds to the Thesis. I believe that SGG has now started their own seminary. So, I would assume that anyone who was a committed Totalist would probably go there.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #40 on: April 11, 2024, 11:14:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mysterium Fidei on April 11, 2024, 11:06:41 AM
    Go to 11:07 mark.

    The Seminary Up-Close | Ep. 2: Questions About Admission (youtube.com)
    Thanks MF and Vermont. I thought MF was referring to the video Vermont posted from 2022. I didn’t see it at first as it looked like an ad banner. :laugh1:
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #41 on: April 11, 2024, 11:16:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 11, 2024, 11:14:21 AM
    Thanks MF and Vermont. I thought MF was referring to the video Vermont posted from 2022. I didn’t see it at first as it looked like an ad banner. :laugh1:
    Ha.  Yeah, what's with those ad banners in the middle of a post lately?
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #42 on: April 11, 2024, 11:20:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mysterium Fidei on April 11, 2024, 11:13:28 AM
    Well, I'm sure all seminarians going into the seminary are aware of Bp. Sanborn's policy. I don't know what other group or bishop would be acceptable to Bp. Sanborn to ordain a priest that did not adhere to the Thesis. He mentioned Bp. Neville, but he holds to the Thesis. I believe that SGG has now started their own seminary. So, I would assume that anyone who was a committed Totalist would probably go there.
    Now I wonder what it's like at the CMRI seminary since I don't think Bishop Pivarunas focuses on one or the other.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #43 on: April 11, 2024, 11:38:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 11, 2024, 11:20:19 AM
    Now I wonder what it's like at the CMRI seminary since I don't think Bishop Pivarunas focuses on one or the other.
    I presume they hold the Totalist position, but I don't know if any CMRI priest or Bp. Pivarunas has weighed in specifically on the Thesis opinion or not.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #44 on: April 11, 2024, 11:48:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: DustyActual on April 11, 2024, 11:08:58 AM
    You also have to think about the practicality of Bishop Sanborn ordaining a totalist priest, where would +Sanborn send that priest? When Bishop Sanborn still had a good relationship with Bishop Dolan and SGG, he was more than happy to send totalist priests to SGG, but now SGG doesn't send their seminarians to MHT.

    Bishop Sanborn wouldn't "send" the priest anywhere.  He wants them to have some relationship with a sponsor of some kind and they can largely map out their own path after seminary.  I don't think he would object if someone wanted to join up with SGG or even in some working relationship with CMRI or some independent priest somewhere.
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