Author Topic: Where does SSPX stand on Limbo ? (Read 4693 times)

crossbro · « **on:** December 28, 2013, 10:45:29 PM »

Where does SSPX stand on limbo now that NO Church made it a point to reject it ?

Secondly, I pray in front of an abortion clinic time to time and one of my friends hands me prayer cards to pray with him. One is a prayer for the baptism of aborted babies.:

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Heavenly Father, Your love is eternal. In Your ocean of love You saved the world through Your only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Now look at Your Son on the Cross who is constantly bleeding for love of His people and forgive Your world. Purify and baptize aborted children with the Precious Blood and Water from the Sacred Side of Your Son, Jesus Christ, who hung dead on the Cross for their salvation in the name of the Father, and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. May they, through the Holy Death of Jesus Christ, gain everlasting life, through His wounds be healed and through His Precious Blood be freed; there to rejoice with the Saints in Heaven. Amen.

The card at the bottom has an imprimatur. The one he has has Fr. Pravone's name on it and Priests for Life.

Of course it has to have an imprimatur because the heresy is so blatant- what are we now, Mormons ?

Your comments ?

soulguard · « **Reply #1 on:** December 29, 2013, 05:34:21 AM »

Hey crossbro man you really dont like the SSPX do ya?

Always remember that there is no doubt over the mass, or the ordination rites of priests, or the consecration rite of bishops. It is 100% valid. The Diocesan TLM will always have doubts over its priests and bishops. The SSPX have also made it their raison d'etre to be the preservers of Catholic tradition. The diocesan TLM was set up to draw people away from the SSPX ( the TLM was abrogated after all ). If you value Catholic traditions, go to the SSPX. If everyone did that the crisis in the church would be solved ( if it were not for freemasons being considered valid popes).

soulguard · « **Reply #2 on:** December 29, 2013, 05:36:01 AM »

Or better yet, go to CMRI or SSPV.
Get the most fanatical Catholic church you can and stick with it.

Tiffany · « **Reply #3 on:** December 29, 2013, 11:36:35 AM »

Don't confuse the pro-life movement with the Catholic faith.

icterus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 29, 2013, 11:48:47 AM »

3 posts in reply, no answer to the question.

I'm interested to know the answer, too, so can someone who knows, address it?

Where does the SSPX stand on limbo?

John Grace · « **Reply #5 on:** December 29, 2013, 12:04:53 PM »

Quote from: icterus

3 posts in reply, no answer to the question.

I'm interested to know the answer, too, so can someone who knows, address it?

Where does the SSPX stand on limbo?

To be fair, I thought Tiffany answered the question.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #6 on:** December 29, 2013, 12:05:13 PM »

Quote from: icterus

3 posts in reply, no answer to the question.

I'm interested to know the answer, too, so can someone who knows, address it?

Where does the SSPX stand on limbo?

I want to add it ICTERUS' question.

Does the Novus Ordo officially reject Limbo? I thought the issue was unresolved or undefined.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #7 on:** December 29, 2013, 12:06:24 PM »

Quote from: soulguard

Or better yet, go to CMRI or SSPV.
Get the most fanatical Catholic church you can and stick with it.

Not a bad idea, at that! :cheers:

John Grace · « **Reply #8 on:** December 29, 2013, 12:12:04 PM »

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Don't confuse the pro-life movement with the Catholic faith.

The Northern Irish based Precious Life are to be commended for placing emphasis on the rosary and fasting. A minus to them is they embrace NewChurch and err theologically.

I rarely hear limbo mentioned now. From time to time you hear of a 'pro-life' rosary and there are particular beads for it.

I wouldn't encourage Catholics to use the terms 'culture of life', 'culture of death'.

As telesphorus once stated the 'pro-life movement' is just a buzz word.

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** December 29, 2013, 12:16:40 PM »

Quote from: crossbro

Where does SSPX stand on limbo now that NO Church made it a point to reject it ?

Secondly, I pray in front of an abortion clinic time to time and one of my friends hands me prayer cards to pray with him. One is a prayer for the baptism of aborted babies.:

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Heavenly Father, Your love is eternal. In Your ocean of love You saved the world through Your only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Now look at Your Son on the Cross who is constantly bleeding for love of His people and forgive Your world. Purify and baptize aborted children with the Precious Blood and Water from the Sacred Side of Your Son, Jesus Christ, who hung dead on the Cross for their salvation in the name of the Father, and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. May they, through the Holy Death of Jesus Christ, gain everlasting life, through His wounds be healed and through His Precious Blood be freed; there to rejoice with the Saints in Heaven. Amen.

The card at the bottom has an imprimatur. The one he has has Fr. Pravone's name on it and Priests for Life.

Of course it has to have an imprimatur because the heresy is so blatant- what are we now, Mormons ?

Your comments ?

Priests of Life are to be commended for providing accommodation to women and babies.

Having a priestly society devoted to pro-life 'ministry' is new. Praying outside the abortuaries are essential.

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** December 29, 2013, 12:30:58 PM »

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Or better yet, go to CMRI or SSPV.
Get the most fanatical Catholic church you can and stick with it.

As you know some countries haven't the CMRI or SSPV. Your point is good though. Stick with church teaching and Tradition.

A little bit of trivia, CMRI was the first group I came across when I searched the internet when I was 18.

I commended Priests for Life for providing accommodation and being a type of social Catholic but overall I wouldn't recommend them. Priests for Life are affiliated with Lutherans for Life. Priests for Life are part of a bigger discussion.

Tiffany made the valid point and we must be Catholic before we are a 'pro-life' movement.

crossbro · « **Reply #11 on:** December 29, 2013, 12:55:16 PM »

Quote from: soulguard

Hey crossbro man you really dont like the SSPX do ya?

Always remember that there is no doubt over the mass, or the ordination rites of priests, or the consecration rite of bishops. It is 100% valid. The Diocesan TLM will always have doubts over its priests and bishops. The SSPX have also made it their raison d'etre to be the preservers of Catholic tradition. The diocesan TLM was set up to draw people away from the SSPX ( the TLM was abrogated after all ). If you value Catholic traditions, go to the SSPX. If everyone did that the crisis in the church would be solved ( if it were not for freemasons being considered valid popes).

You just could not resist taking a shot across the bow, now could you ?

One thing just worth pointing out, in another thread I just went to a link on the SSPX use of the 1962 Missal by Lefebvre in which he announced he had kicked out priests from the society. That seems to a tradition now with the politics of SSPX. Kicking out and finger pointing, nothing new- it continues to happen within SSPX and will continue into the future. Then there are SSPX members posting about property issues and losing control and such. One thing I did not write in my post was the lack of stability in the community. For me going to SSPX would be "no going back". But what is forward ?

Diocesan TLM just has to be an affront to SSPX ? Everything is just black and white ? Our diocesan TLM community predates SSPX in our region, it was even deemed a schism by the bishop at one point.

You are right about if everyone left for SSPX the problems would be solved, but leave for where ?

We use the 1962 the same as SSPX, we do the same exact thing and are just as reverent. I have no doubt that even though not spoken we have sedevacantists among our members.

Basically we are the exact end product SSPX wanted and prayed for, but for some reason that is not good enough is it ?

soulguard · « **Reply #12 on:** December 29, 2013, 01:05:59 PM »

Quote from: crossbro

Quote from: soulguard
Hey crossbro man you really dont like the SSPX do ya?

Always remember that there is no doubt over the mass, or the ordination rites of priests, or the consecration rite of bishops. It is 100% valid. The Diocesan TLM will always have doubts over its priests and bishops. The SSPX have also made it their raison d'etre to be the preservers of Catholic tradition. The diocesan TLM was set up to draw people away from the SSPX ( the TLM was abrogated after all ). If you value Catholic traditions, go to the SSPX. If everyone did that the crisis in the church would be solved ( if it were not for freemasons being considered valid popes).

You just could not resist taking a shot across the bow, now could you ?

One thing just worth pointing out, in another thread I just went to a link on the SSPX use of the 1962 Missal by Lefebvre in which he announced he had kicked out priests from the society. That seems to a tradition now with the politics of SSPX. Kicking out and finger pointing, nothing new- it continues to happen within SSPX and will continue into the future. Then there are SSPX members posting about property issues and losing control and such. One thing I did not write in my post was the lack of stability in the community. For me going to SSPX would be "no going back". But what is forward ?

Diocesan TLM just has to be an affront to SSPX ? Everything is just black and white ? Our diocesan TLM community predates SSPX in our region, it was even deemed a schism by the bishop at one point.

You are right about if everyone left for SSPX the problems would be solved, but leave for where ?

We use the 1962 the same as SSPX, we do the same exact thing and are just as reverent. I have no doubt that even though not spoken we have sedevacantists among our members.

Basically we are the exact end product SSPX wanted and prayed for, but for some reason that is not good enough is it ?

I was just making conversation and didnt intend to take a shot at you, but anyway, stick with your TLM, I happened to convert to Catholicism because of the Diocesan TLM I attended. If it gets you to heaven...

crossbro · « **Reply #13 on:** December 29, 2013, 01:08:17 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Don't confuse the pro-life movement with the Catholic faith.

I have been involved in the movement for years, praying and protesting- my fellow Catholics and I feel betrayed by the Church, even more so now with Pope Francis basically telling the Church that baby killing is not something we should be focused on. Instead what we should actually be doing is throwing communion at unrepentant ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.

icterus · « **Reply #14 on:** December 29, 2013, 05:00:51 PM »

Apparently, the question has no answer.