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Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 09:44:09 AM »


Remember these people do not have the authority of the Church to use the sacramental order as a means of coersion or punishment,

but in doing so regardless, they thwart the primary mission of the Catholic Church and its priesthood, which is to save souls and bring them to God.


Conflicting over hostile statements between the sects is one order of worldly activity, but engaging the Divinely instituted Sacraments in these public squabbles is on an entirely different and higher order of scandal.

On the Pfeiffer/Hewko side,  Fr. Pfeiffer was encouraged to rebel against Menzingen. He did so, and when his continued agitation then began to upset ongoing negotiations between the SSPX and its estranged Bishop, Fr. Pfeiffer was essentially cut off and sacrificed and any future assistance to him became doubtful.

And there appears to have been interference with other priests who became affiliated with the Pfeiffer group and supported their position on some of Bishop Williamson's views and teaching. That is apparently a grave crime in the petite SSPX.  Such great outrage at criticising the Bishop's questionable exhortations and conclusions, as if there were no grounds for any just criticism or correction.  His followers will admit no fault or doubt about his utterings, and they will tolerate none. His newly minted Bishops are identical in such attitudes. That is a fair indication of the same cultism that has been part of the SSPX for decades.

Fr. Pfeiffer should or hopefully has, found alternate sources for their sacramental necessities. Perhaps putting his anti-sedevacantism on the shelf to seek them from a valid Bishop, a sede-vacantist or an Eastern Orthodox Bishop of the old Tradition.
Thank you for the rare post of reason and insight seen here.
Bp. Fellay and the SSPX will drive out parishioners and withhold sacraments from those who are "with the Resistance."
Bp. Williamson and his Three withhold sacraments from those who are "with the Pfeiffer Resistance."
They are like two sides of the same coin: no criticism of either +Fellay or +Williamson is tolerated and is punished severely.

Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 10:21:28 AM »
Thank you for the rare post of reason and insight seen here.
Bp. Fellay and the SSPX will drive out parishioners and withhold sacraments from those who are "with the Resistance."
Bp. Williamson and his Three withhold sacraments from those who are "with the Pfeiffer Resistance."
They are like two sides of the same coin: no criticism of either +Fellay or +Williamson is tolerated and is punished severely.
If Fellay and/or Williamson really wanted to heap coals of fire on the heads of their “enemies”, they would follow the advice of Our Lord in Scripture and return any perceived affronts by so many kind deeds that it would melt any opposition. They instead withhold spiritual things (?simony) in exchange for allegiance. 
Pretty heavy stuff.


Offline Meg

Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 10:29:50 AM »
Internecine squabbling is one thing, but holding innocent souls hostage to these sectarian hostilities is a grave enterprise, no matter who does it.

In this, this new hierarchy is proving itself to be everybit a recreation of the SSPX, and speaking of cultic behavior, as has been imputed to the Pfeiffer group in other threads, it is clearly in evidence with these "resistance" clerics. It is a matter of "you have said bad things about our leader and therfore the souls under your care will be denied sacramental necessities by us, until you recant" Have we not heard this before from the Roi de Menzingen?

Remember these people do not have the authority of the Church to use the sacramental order as a means of coersion or punishment, but in doing so regardless, they thwart the primary mission of the Catholic Church and its priesthood, which is to save souls and bring them to God.

Conflicting over hostile statements between the sects is one order of worldly activity, but engaging the Divinely instituted Sacraments in these public squabbles is on an entirely different and higher order of scandal.

On the Pfeiffer/Hewko side,  Fr. Pfeiffer was encouraged to rebel against Menzingen. He did so, and when his continued agitation then began to upset ongoing negotiations between the SSPX and its estranged Bishop, Fr. Pfeiffer was essentially cut off and sacrificed and any future assistance to him became doubtful.

And there appears to have been interference with other priests who became affiliated with the Pfeiffer group and supported their position on some of Bishop Williamson's views and teaching. That is apparently a grave crime in the petite SSPX.  Such great outrage at criticising the Bishop's questionable exhortations and conclusions, as if there were no grounds for any just criticism or correction.  His followers will admit no fault or doubt about his utterings, and they will tolerate none. His newly minted Bishops are identical in such attitudes. That is a fair indication of the same cultism that has been part of the SSPX for decades.

Fr. Pfeiffer should or hopefully has, found alternate sources for their sacramental necessities. Perhaps putting his anti-sedevacantism on the shelf to seek them from a valid Bishop, a sede-vacantist or an Eastern Orthodox Bishop of the old Tradition.

The normal impediments to this are unimportant and should be suspended in such a time of crisis and the near complete breakdown of authority and reason in the Church today.
He should also leave SSPX I&II behind and focus on fighting against the treason in Rome and the Chanceries. Then he can claim that they are a true resistance.

The war between these two faction was unnecessary and did not need to happen. There is much fault which could be apportioned to all concerned. When the parties began to act in self interest, trouble entered in, it is the tool and the doorway by which demons have their powers over men.

I will pray for them all.

Some good food for thought in the above post.

"Then he can claim to be part of the true Resistance."

The above quote caught my eye, because, after all, what is the Resistance resisting really? Is it only Resisting a reconciliation with Rome and the conciliar church? That's not a bad thing, but I'm not sure that in itself should be called a Resistance.

Praying for all in question would be a good thing to do. I'll try to offer a few prayers myself.

Offline Meg

Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 10:44:12 AM »
The one thing I appreciate about Fr. Pfeiffer is that he doesn't have a lot of money, unlike Bp. Williamson. If a true restoration is to be had, it should not have wealth behind it, IMO.

I think of the great reformers in the Church such as St. Francis of Assisi, St. Dominic, St. Alphonsus, St. John Mary Vianney - none had big money behind them (hopefully I'm not wrong about that). But they were successful anyway. What they had is a great love for the Faith, the trinity and Our Lady, as well as great humility.

Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 11:27:40 AM »

Fr. Pfeiffer should or hopefully has, found alternate sources for their sacramental necessities. Perhaps putting his anti-sedevacantism on the shelf to seek them from a valid Bishop, a sede-vacantist or an Eastern Orthodox Bishop of the old Tradition.
 
Yes.