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Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2017, 01:39:15 PM »
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  • When the Shepherd is struck...
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #16 on: November 15, 2017, 02:35:30 PM »
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  • I hate to jump to hasty conclusions,  but it does appear that CI scrubbed my last post from this (silly) thread.  I had challenged Tradplorable on a few observations he made.  Maybe I just overlooked it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, Matthew.

    Meg:
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    The one thing I appreciate about Fr. Pfeiffer is that he doesn't have a lot of money, unlike Bp. Williamson. If a true restoration is to be had, it should not have wealth behind it, IMO.

    So that's it, is it?  Well, Fr. Pfeiffer did have $20,000 borrowed dollars from Fr.Voigt.  Father claimed earlier that that sum was never repaid. I doubt that the OLMC chief has any of it left anyway.  He seems to go though money pretty fast.   Maybe Fr.P did restore the loan, but we have not heard that he did.  If Fr. P. does not have a lot of money, maybe we ought to consider the manner in which he uses the money he does have. 


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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #17 on: November 15, 2017, 02:37:44 PM »
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  • This actually happened to me. SSPX asked me not to go to their mass because we were going to Fr Pfeiffer masses too. And now that I have long agreed with the opening lines of this thread, the reverse is happening. I'm sick of hearing don't go here, don't go there, don't even go! As if the laity are expected to be canon lawyers and theologians figuring out all the details of orthodoxy when the bishops and priests haven't even done that. The answer isn't this Bishop's word or that priest's word, but THE Word, the Eucharist. Any priest or Bishop that tells me not to attend any true Latin Mass renders his opinion null and void. Why are they letting the devil divide us? They need to take this argument outside and come back and talk to us about unity. Tick tock, boys! My family and I are not going to wait. I'm sick of the devil,( in the name of what's supposed to be good) taking what is mine.
    You are thinking rationally and logically here. The everpresent factionalism does not serve the Church, it only serves factions or their leaders.  As for the yellow light issue, recall that the yellow light is the best that two of these groups will put upon the Novus Ordo false mass, rendering this rating and system of prohibitions meaningless.
    I have said before, that we are objectively on our own in the matter of sanctification and salvation.

    The New Order religion has cast Catholicism out and the sects have put conditions on it.


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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #18 on: November 15, 2017, 02:44:57 PM »
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  • I hate to jump to hasty conclusions,  but it does appear that CI scrubbed my last post from this (silly) thread.  I had challenged Tradplorable on a few observations he made.  Maybe I just overlooked it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, Matthew.

    Meg:
    So that's it, is it?  Well, Fr. Pfeiffer did have $20,000 borrowed dollars from Fr.Voigt.  Father claimed earlier that that sum was never repaid. I doubt that the OLMC chief has any of it left anyway.  He seems to go though money pretty fast.   Maybe Fr.P did restore the loan, but we have not heard that he did.  If Fr. P. does not have a lot of money, maybe we ought to consider the manner in which he uses the money he does have.

    What's "It" exactly?

    I was just saying that Fr. Pfeiffer is somewhat poor, and that's not a bad thing. I'm not saying that he does a good job of spending what little he was well. And $20,000 is nothing compared with, say, that fancy mansion recently purchased by Bp. Williamson here in the U.S.

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #19 on: November 15, 2017, 03:04:23 PM »
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  • What's "It" exactly?

    I was just saying that Fr. Pfeiffer is somewhat poor, and that's not a bad thing. I'm not saying that he does a good job of spending what little he was well. And $20,000 is nothing compared with, say, that fancy mansion recently purchased by Bp. Williamson here in the U.S.
    Give it a rest on the subject of Bishop Zendejas' property already:

    No unbiased, reasonable person would look at the pics of that property and describe it as a "fancy mansion."

    It is a former Jєωιѕн community center which looks more like a rather drab, overpriced, depressing dump, than a mansion.

    As for the $10 million pricetag, it was quite a frugal investment (despite being overpriced, as is nearly all commercial real estate in the Northeast):

    He gets a combo residence, future priory, retreat house, and seminary for that price.
    Compare it to the Taj Mahal in Virginia, and you will appreciate the thrift.

    The manufactured scandal on this point is an epic fail.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #20 on: November 15, 2017, 03:12:25 PM »
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  • Give it a rest on the subject of Bishop Zendejas' property already:

    No unbiased, reasonable person would look at the pics of that property and describe it as a "fancy mansion."

    It is a former Jєωιѕн community center which looks more like a rather drab, overpriced, depressing dump, than a mansion.

    As for the $10 million pricetag, it was quite a frugal investment, despite the overblown properties of the northeast:

    He gets a combo residence, future priory, retreat house, and seminary for that price.
    Compare it to the Taj Mahal in Virginia, and you will appreciate the thrift.

    The manufactured scandal on this point is an epic fail.

    Nope. Not gonna give it a rest. And it's not a scandal, just an observation, though I suspect that you feel that are the only one qualified to make any observations.

    I saw the photos of the interior which were posted. It's very fancy. Why don't you find the photos and post them? It's not a matter of what the property values are in any given area. That's a LOT of money, period.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #21 on: November 15, 2017, 03:25:25 PM »
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  • Meg:
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    And $20,000 is nothing compared with, say, that fancy mansion recently purchased by Bp. Williamson here in the U.S.

    I note that you do not dispute my representation of the funds borrowed from Fr. Voigt.  Nor, apparently, does anyone else on this unenlightened and deplorably dull topic.  $20,000 may be a drop in the bucket by your estimate.  But it means quite a bit to a priest whose personal savings were practically wiped out.
    BTW, Matthew, did you happen to see my last post, and are my suspicions confirmed, or was I in error?

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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #22 on: November 15, 2017, 03:37:00 PM »
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  • Nope. Not gonna give it a rest. And it's not a scandal, just an observation, though I suspect that you feel that are the only one qualified to make any observations.

    I saw the photos of the interior which were posted. It's very fancy. Why don't you find the photos and post them? It's not a matter of what the property values are in any given area. That's a LOT of money, period.

    Pfft....

    $1 mil ain't squat for a multi-purpose commercial property in the Northeast.

    And if you think that place is fancy, I must be living in the Ritz!

    Please go on the internet right now, and find a commercial property within 100 miles of the current property, with the following characteristics, for less than the $10 mil:

    -Room for 15+ retreatants;

    -Room for 15+ seminarians;

    -Personal living quarters;

    -Room for a proper chapel;

    -Commercial kitchen and refectory.

    Let me know what you come up with
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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #23 on: November 15, 2017, 03:41:47 PM »
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  • Pfft....
    $10 mil ain't squat for a multi-purpose commercial property in the Northeast.
    And if you think that place is fancy, I must be living in the Ritz!
    Please go on the internet right now, and find a commercial property within 100 miles of the current property, the following characteristics for less than the $10 mil:
    -Room for 15+ retreatants;
    -Room for 15+ seminarians;
    -Personal living quarters;
    -Commercial kitchen and refectory.
    Let me know what you come up with.

    Where did the money come from for the $10 million dollar mansion? You may think that $10 million is not much money, but I think it is. 

    Did Bp. Williamson just have that money on hand?

    Or are there investors who helped with the financing, and if so, what do they expect in return for their investment?

    Or, are there wealthy benefactors who helped pay for it, and what might they expect in return? Benefactors can be like lobbyists. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #24 on: November 15, 2017, 03:42:44 PM »
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  • Give it a rest on the subject of Bishop Zendejas' property already:

    No unbiased, reasonable person would look at the pics of that property and describe it as a "fancy mansion."

    It is a former Jєωιѕн community center which looks more like a rather drab, overpriced, depressing dump, than a mansion.

    As for the $10 million pricetag, it was quite a frugal investment (despite being overpriced, as is nearly all commercial real estate in the Northeast):

    He gets a combo residence, future priory, retreat house, and seminary for that price.
    Compare it to the Taj Mahal in Virginia, and you will appreciate the thrift.

    The manufactured scandal on this point is an epic fail.
    I inadvertently said $10 mil; it was only $1 mil.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #25 on: November 15, 2017, 03:46:03 PM »
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  • I inadvertently said $10 mil; it was only $1 mil.

    Okay...$1 million. Did Bp. Williamson just have that money on hand? That's still a lot of money.

    And it is definitely fancy. I've seen the photos of the interior and exterior. I live in a modest 3 bedroom house. That house is a fancy mansion.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #26 on: November 15, 2017, 03:46:24 PM »
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  • Where did the money come from for the $10 million dollar mansion? You may think that $10 million is not much money, but I think it is.

    Did Bp. Williamson just have that money on hand?

    Or are there investors who helped with the financing, and if so, what do they expect in return for their investment?

    Or, are there wealthy benefactors who helped pay for it, and what might they expect in return? Benefactors can be like lobbyists.
    You mean where did the 1 million come from?
    Well, the Jєωs bribed them, of course!!!
    No wait, it was Menzingen who funded it!!!
    Seriously, your suggestion that they were somehow paid off is revolting.
    Do you really think 20,000 resistants can't come up with a million dollars?
    You know how easy that would be for +BW to come up with???
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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #27 on: November 15, 2017, 03:48:32 PM »
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  • Here's the link to all the pics (inside and out):

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/111-Smith-Ridge-Rd-South-Salem-NY-10590/2101793694_zpid/

    Functional, yes.

    Fancy, no.
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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #28 on: November 15, 2017, 03:50:30 PM »
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  • You mean where did the 1 million come from?
    Well, the Jєωs bribed them, of course!!!
    No wait, it was Menzingen who funded it!!!
    Seriously, your suggestion that they were somehow paid off is revolting.
    Do you really think 20,000 resistants can't come up with a million dollars?
    You know how easy that would be for +BW to come up with???

    No, I'm not saying that they were paid off...what does that even mean? And of course it wasn't the Jєωs or Menzingen. You are exaggerating. As trads often do.

    So it was 20,000 residents who paid for it? Residents of where?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
    « Reply #29 on: November 15, 2017, 03:51:56 PM »
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  • No, I'm not saying that they were paid off...what does that even mean? And of course it wasn't the Jєωs or Menzingen. You are exaggerating. As trads often do.

    So it was 20,000 residents who paid for it? Residents of where?
    Please read more closely: I said 20k resistants, not residents.

    PS: Where DID he get "all that money" then, Meg?

    Share your thoughts!
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