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Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« on: November 12, 2017, 02:19:05 PM »
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"If you do not comply, Bp. Aquinas said you will not get the holy oils, sacraments, and ordainants of priests. "

So I wonder where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?   The Church requires that old holy oils are to be destroyed each year and new ones obtained. 


Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 07:29:30 PM »
I, too, would like to know. A friend's grandchildren got baptized recently and without proper Holy Oils, doesn't this mean they did not get the exorcisms?  One may as well give lay baptism to suffice if and until it can be done propetly.  What about Last Rites?   May as well pray the prayers for the dying yourself and hope the person has perfect contrition.  Where do other so called independent priests get holy oils?  Or do they have an agreement with a bishop or will they at the least refer the dying to a real bishop, even if they aren't on good terms with him?  
Without holy oils or any bishop, exactly how are the followers of OLMC supposed to be confirmed?  

The wider problem is that it seems there is no longer assurance that any kind of priest, order, foundation, what have you, can be trusted to be valid, licit, and acceptable to God.  For myself, I pray the Rosary, wear the Brown Scapular, read the Missal, say daily prayers, do my job, perform necessary chores and otherwise keep to myself.  I'm not around others who have the least interest in serving God.  I've resigned myself to being a somewhat unwilling hermit.  


Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 08:00:53 PM »
After a year, as long as the Holy Oils are not rancid, the Sacraments of Extreme Unction and Confirmation would still be valid, just illicit. Also, the Exorcisms in Baptism do not depend on the Oil. 

Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 06:37:42 AM »
After a year, as long as the Holy Oils are not rancid, the Sacraments of Extreme Unction and Confirmation would still be valid, just illicit. Also, the Exorcisms in Baptism do not depend on the Oil.

The oils can also be "topped up". So a priest can go a long time without going to a bishop.

The more important question is who is going to ordain his seminarians?

Re: Where do fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko get their holy oils?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 08:46:22 AM »
Internecine squabbling is one thing, but holding innocent souls hostage to these sectarian hostilities is a grave enterprise, no matter who does it.

In this, this new hierarchy is proving itself to be everybit a recreation of the SSPX, and speaking of cultic behavior, as has been imputed to the Pfeiffer group in other threads, it is clearly in evidence with these "resistance" clerics. It is a matter of "you have said bad things about our leader and therfore the souls under your care will be denied sacramental necessities by us, until you recant" Have we not heard this before from the Roi de Menzingen?

Remember these people do not have the authority of the Church to use the sacramental order as a means of coersion or punishment, but in doing so regardless, they thwart the primary mission of the Catholic Church and its priesthood, which is to save souls and bring them to God.

Conflicting over hostile statements between the sects is one order of worldly activity, but engaging the Divinely instituted Sacraments in these public squabbles is on an entirely different and higher order of scandal. 

On the Pfeiffer/Hewko side,  Fr. Pfeiffer was encouraged to rebel against Menzingen. He did so, and when his continued agitation then began to upset ongoing negotiations between the SSPX and its estranged Bishop, Fr. Pfeiffer was essentially cut off and sacrificed and any future assistance to him became doubtful.

And there appears to have been interference with other priests who became affiliated with the Pfeiffer group and supported their position on some of Bishop Williamson's views and teaching. That is apparently a grave crime in the petite SSPX.  Such great outrage at criticising the Bishop's questionable exhortations and conclusions, as if there were no grounds for any just criticism or correction.  His followers will admit no fault or doubt about his utterings, and they will tolerate none. His newly minted Bishops are identical in such attitudes. That is a fair indication of the same cultism that has been part of the SSPX for decades.

Fr. Pfeiffer should or hopefully has, found alternate sources for their sacramental necessities. Perhaps putting his anti-sedevacantism on the shelf to seek them from a valid Bishop, a sede-vacantist or an Eastern Orthodox Bishop of the old Tradition.

The normal impediments to this are unimportant and should be suspended in such a time of crisis and the near complete breakdown of authority and reason in the Church today.
He should also leave SSPX I&II behind and focus on fighting against the treason in Rome and the Chanceries. Then he can claim that they are a true resistance.

The war between these two faction was unnecessary and did not need to happen. There is much fault which could be apportioned to all concerned. When the parties began to act in self interest, trouble entered in, it is the tool and the doorway by which demons have their powers over men.

I will pray for them all.