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Offline Struthio

Re: What would it take to resolve the crisis?
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2018, 04:55:26 PM »
Quote from: Recusant Sede on October 18, 2018, 04:00:51 AM
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How would a true pope be elected if the new rite of ordination is invalid, as most sedevacantists believe?
I really haven't considered the resolution too much as I believe that we should put all of our trust in God. He will resolve it when it is absolutely the right time, no more no less.

 :applause:


Quote from: Recusant Sede on October 18, 2018, 04:00:51 AM
With that said, here are a few of the scenarios on how we might obtain a true pope that I have envisioned:

1) There could be valid Roman clergy who have kept the faith through the crisis. They could declare that the see vacant and elect a true pope.

There could be a flying spaghetti monster dwelling behind Venus.



Quote from: Recusant Sede on October 18, 2018, 04:00:51 AM
2) There must be some bishops still alive (most likely from the Eastern part of the Church) who still profess the true faith and could/would call a council and declare the see vacant and elect a true pope.

All "bishops" known to claim to be bishops having apostolic authority profess to be part of the heretical conciliar sect. They are heretics, have no apostolic authority, and are no bishops.



Quote from: Recusant Sede on October 18, 2018, 04:00:51 AM
3) There could be some conservative NO "cardinals" who could convert, profess the true faith, declare the see vacant, and then call a conclave to elect a true pope.

Let's pray that they convert. But a heretic does not gain or regain an office by conversion.


Quote from: Recusant Sede on October 18, 2018, 04:00:51 AM
4) I think that it is possible that if Mr. Bergoglio were to have a complete conversion and by this I mean 100%. He would have to explicitly reject all of the errors of Vatican II, ecuмenism, religious liberty, the NO mass, etc. He would then have to be conditionally ordained and consecrated and also demand that the clergy that are deemed to profess the true faith be conditionally ordained and consecrated. All of the modernist clergy would have to be physically removed from the Church's buildings and be denounced if they do not profess the true faith.

Let's pray that Bergoglio converts. But a heretic does not gain or regain an office by conversion.

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Offline klasG4e

Re: What would it take to resolve the crisis?
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2018, 09:55:31 PM »
Obviously extraordinary circuмstances call for extraordinary measures.  What follows might be one possible scenario.

By a seeming miracle of grace the rules for appointing a new pope are changed allowing for an angel of God (as in accordance with some prophecy?) to come down and appoint a new one.  The new pope then commands all the prelates of the world to join him in the manner prescribed by the BVM (under pain of ipso facto excommunication) in consecrating Russia to her Immaculate Heart.  Even if only 1 bishop in the whole world joined him that should be enough.  It would be 100% compliance since the non-complying bishops would no longer be a "part of the equation."
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Offline MMagdala

Re: What would it take to resolve the crisis?
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2018, 12:18:28 AM »
Quote from: Recusant Sede on October 17, 2018, 04:21:01 PM
Simply, all you need is a true pope.
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Right, a "true pope" will snap his fingers and that will be that?

Only an extraordinarily saintly pope would have a prayer of reversing the obdurate disobedience of the leaders of the Conciliar Church.  The current cardinals and bishops are largely products and messengers of a spirit of rebellion against the deposit of faith.  Their mass conversion would be in the order of the miraculous, such as only some of the traditional saints have been instruments of.  

Yes, a pope faithful to Catholicism could issue 25+ edicts such as I suggested, but he would also have to be prepared to encounter a hierarchy who disregarded him, even on pain of their excommunication -- because in many ways they excommunicated themselves already decades ago.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: What would it take to resolve the crisis?
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2018, 06:49:25 AM »
Quote from: MMagdala on October 19, 2018, 12:18:28 AM
Only an extraordinarily saintly pope would have a prayer of reversing the obdurate disobedience of the leaders of the Conciliar Church.  The current cardinals and bishops are largely products and messengers of a spirit of rebellion against the deposit of faith.  Their mass conversion would be in the order of the miraculous, such as only some of the traditional saints have been instruments of.  

Yes, a pope faithful to Catholicism could issue 25+ edicts such as I suggested, but he would also have to be prepared to encounter a hierarchy who disregarded him, even on pain of their excommunication -- because in many ways they excommunicated themselves already decades ago.
I believe that the people must *first* want to repent and do all that goes with that, otherwise, all God's giving us an extraordinarily saintly pope would do, is provoke even more hate and persecution against the Church and faithful.

Without the world's population resolve to repent, an extraordinarily saintly pope would have, not only the hierarchy, but  literally the entire world's population vehemently against him, (minus a small fraction of the population, aka the faithful).

By and large, nobody on earth even believes there is any crisis at all, and those who see the problems, ignore them. We must remember that the people already have what they really want, that’s why they have it. That’s why they’ve chosen it, that’s why they protest and fight for it, and its why they continue to absorb it, cling to it and love it. Overall, they love this thing we call a crisis and will have no holy pope prodding their consciences under any circuмstances.    

"Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him." Eccl 15:18


If, OTOH, we did end up with a holy pope who went about fixing this mess, as Our Lady at Fatima said, he would have much to suffer, Catholic people would be martyred and nations would be annihilated. Think Antifa, times a few million.  
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Offline TheJovialInquisitor

Re: What would it take to resolve the crisis?
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2018, 07:32:18 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on October 19, 2018, 06:49:25 AM
I believe that the people must *first* want to repent and do all that goes with that, otherwise, all God's giving us an extraordinarily saintly pope would do, is provoke even more hate and persecution against the Church and faithful.

If, OTOH, we did end up with a holy pope who went about fixing this mess, as Our Lady at Fatima said, he would have much to suffer, Catholic people would be martyred and nations would be annihilated. Think Antifa, times a few million.  
Good. Nothing will ever change if they can just delude themselves into thinking that 'tolerance' is the best policy, where world-wide persecutions would shatter such a delusion almost instantly.  My thinking is that if we can't convince modernized, liberal, 'Catholics' to embrace the teachings and dogmas of the True Faith, then at least we can put them in a position where they're forced to fight for their miserable lives.
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