Author Topic: Great point Fr. Pfeiffer made Tuesday (Read 3908 times)

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2013, 12:45:54 PM »

Quote from: Enoc

We must never forget that our fight is a fight for the faith; therefore it is a fight at the level of principles which are above obedience.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

This is Stage 6 Morality: A stage that most people never attain. Most people remain in the 4th Stage of Morality---obedience, rule, and law.

Incredulous · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2013, 06:36:54 PM »

On silencing the SSPX Resistance:

Luke 19: 39 40

(39) And some of the Pharisees, from amongst the multitude, said to him: Master, rebuke thy disciples. (40)To whom he said:
I say to you, that if these shall hold their peace, the stones will cry out.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #17 on:** August 22, 2013, 08:40:20 AM »

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Quote from: Matthew

He pointed out that even if he and his group failed, that God would have to raise up someone else to do it, because it's something that needs to be done.

In other words, he's doing what he has to do, not necessarily because he thinks he will prevail.

Someone has to stand up for the Faith, pure and undefiled. Tradition is nothing less than the Catholic Faith. And it's a fact that the SSPX (formerly the largest and most influential champion of Tradition) is compromising with modernism, including the new teaching that the Novus Ordo Missae was legitimately promulgated. That is serious.

There is so much substance there to criticize. Speaking of which, he made another killer point:

The neo-SSPX liberals never dare attack anything the Resistance is doing on doctrine. Why not? Why not point out where we err; where we deviate from the Catholic Faith? They never do. Why? They can't. All they can do is imitate the priests and bishops after Vatican II: "Obey! Because I'm the authority and I said so!"

What is Catholic and what is not is a simple question of doctrine. The Novus Ordo is bad in terms of doctrine; compromising with it is bad in terms of doctrine.

He augmented my fervor for the resistance, as well as improved my clarity of thought.

Liberals do not like to even mention doctrine. They don't dare accuse
their opponents on doctrine because they're terrified of being called to
task themselves on doctrine, because they have no basis in doctrine!
They abhor the very topic of doctrine!

In Freemasonic style, and according to the M.R.S. of John XXIII, it
will be henceforth and forever (like the Third Secret of Fatima!) buried
and abandoned.

No More Doctrine!!

Quote from: Novus Weirdo

Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Ecclesia Militans
Quote from: Matthew
He augmented my fervor for the resistance, as well as improved my clarity of thought.

Now move to the next step and stop assisting at neo-SSPX Masses.

I firmly believe that those who remain attending at Church of Bishop Fellay chapels will continue to do so.

I believe this to be true also. They are already too far gone and have invested far too much of themselves into The Church of Fellay. They are trapped and the only way to extricate themselves is to figuratively chew off a limb. They don't want to do that so they've become DEADLY serious and protective of +Fellay. I am old enough to remember Jonestown and recall how those zealots protected Jim Jones: by gunning down those who questioned them.

I know a key figure who represents a lot of Accordistas, and this
is an apt description - the committedness is untouchable. It has
become set in stone. You cannot get through to them on
principle, and any attempt to address doctrine is met with the
accusation "You're just anti-Fellay!" -and, "We support +Fellay,
not YOUR FRIEND +WILLIAMSON!"

"Poor, misguided people!"

(The quote is from The Great One Himself, when he was ostensibly
referring to the Resistance, but, in true Liberal form, when he hurls
epithets at his opposition, he tends to rather use language that is
far better descriptive of his own followers!)

Frances · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2013, 10:00:20 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

And it's a fact that the SSPX (formerly the largest and most influential champion of Tradition) is compromising with modernism, including the new teaching that the Novus Ordo Missae was legitimately promulgated. That is serious.

The neo-SSPX liberals never dare attack anything the Resistance is doing on doctrine

I have yet to hear this matter addressed DIRECTLY by any priest of the SSPX. All of the responses fall into three categories.

1. Eloquent, even erudite excuses, and explanations of why it is not outright heresy. (Yesterday, I heard an excellent argument for why the statement can be "minimally tolerated without sin.". If a priest can live it, why not a layperson?)
2. Illogical arguments based upon personal dislike of the personalities, defects, and personal sins of the various Resistance priests.
3. Once, I was told to cease questioning under vague threat of refusal of Absolution and Holy Communion. (The priest is too tenderhearted to banish me on the basis of intellectual disagreement.)

It has not been satisfactorily explained how the new doctrinal statement(s) of the SSPX helps me attain Heaven. It has not been satisfactorily explained how the new doctrinal statement(s) of the SSPX fail to hinder souls from Heaven.

A year has come and gone. Meanwhile, life on earth proceeds. Now is the time of salvation.

For myself, I have decided that I will no longer actively pursue the matter with the neo-SSPX. If and when my questions can be answered, I'll listen. In the meantime, I shall look to the Resistance who are strictly adhering to the Tradition of the Church for spiritual guidance.

I can still go to the SSPX for Confession, last-rites, perhaps the occasional Mass...for now. It is very sad that the SSPX, for me, has become akin to a walk-in medical clinic, the place I go in a medical urgency because life circuмstances preclude access to routine medical care. If I want to save my soul, it is up to me to study the doctrine and apply it as best I can. The condition of the world is such that I cannot rely on the Church to do Her part any more that I can rely upon the ministrations of a trusted physician to stay healthy. I have to keep reminding myself that God does not demand the impossible.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2013, 10:11:59 AM »

Quote from: hugeman

John,
My friend, when you say there are resistance masses in every district,
It is meaningless-- especially when you use this statement to declare that
Anyone who would support thr resistance has already left the SSPX.
Your notion is not correct. The U S District is over 3,000 miles wide -- that's like what,
4,500 kilometers? Most Germans wouldn't go more than three or four blocks to
Mass-- but you think Californians should all drive 2oo or 300 miles?
The Lord demands weekly attendance at Mass, so you think it's all right that those
In Connecticut have one Mass a month? Or that those in Texas get one Mass every six months?

You speak for many...........not all have made the move yet.........for the very reasons you state.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2013, 10:15:30 AM »

Quote from: hugeman

That's why the model that Father Patrick G. Followed in Canada made such good sense. He stopped. He educated his faithful. They learned the issues. They made a commitment. He made a commitment. They have the Mass every Sunday and Holy Day. They have the sacraments. They have something of a Catholic parish. Now, from there they can grow.

Many more of us would leave in a heartbeat if we had this option. How blessed they are!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:15:56 PM »

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This is amazing.

Now all we need is 6 more threads and the entire forum can be
in utter chaos:

1) Great point Fr. Pfeiffer made Wednesday

2) Great point Fr. Pfeiffer made Thursday

3) Great point Fr. Pfeiffer made Friday

4) Great point Fr. Pfeiffer made Saturday

5) Great point Fr. Pfeiffer made Sunday

6) Great point Fr. Pfeiffer made Monday

Then nobody will know which week it was, which month it was,
which year it was or what the topic even was, only that Fr.
Pfeiffer made another great point on a different day of the week!

Alleluia!!

I've never felt so informed and secure all at once!!