Author Topic: What will you do ifwhen the SSPX caves? (Read 2402 times)

Marlelar · « **on:** February 13, 2013, 04:40:50 PM »

For those of you who attend SSPX chapels, what will you do if/when the SSPX caves to modernist Rome? If your children are in their schools would you then homeschool? If you are a teacher would you then tutor? If you are engaged, where will you be married? Does anyone have a son in their seminary? Will he stay?

Marsha

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2013, 04:46:22 PM »

I am single so I don't have to worry about finding a new school. I know someone who is in the Seminary in South America. I wonder if he would stay there if the Society went back to modernist Rome.

I don't know if I would continue attending mass at my current SSPX chapel if the society caved. If a resistance chapel was available in my area then I would go there, but if I had no other option than a sold out SSPX chapel I don't know what I would do.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2013, 04:46:59 PM »

There's an SSPV 'round here. Might go there. Though I may not, since I think I'd be a tad dishonest, disagreeing with their Thuc stance. Don't have CMRI or any other option in sight.

But honestly, if I can rely on the priest to be orthodox and to be a priest, I'd probably stay put. It's different at each chapel, but just because "the society" caves doesn't necessarily mean your priest has. For some it may. But if we find ourselves in that situation, I'd venture to say any priest who 'changes' during a 'reconciliation' was like that all along.

I may, some Sunday, survey the Eastern scene. I know we have a few DL's around here, but I don't know anyone who attends them and I don't have a proper way to gauge their orthodoxy without actually just showing up.

Stubborn · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2013, 05:47:49 PM »

Well, first I agree with Mith, it is different at each chapel and as long as we know we can get the true Mass and Sacraments from a priest that truly is a priest, and as long as the priest does not start preaching NO garbage, we go - provided a good Independent or Sede chapel is unavailable.

Because of what it is, It is the Mass that matters.

No Moto, no Diocesan anything and no Novus Ordo services and like Mith, I wouldn't know a good DL from a bad one so I personally would not attempt going to one.

Should it become necessary again as it was in the late 60's early 70s, stay home and read your Mass from your Missal best as you can, Send your Holy Angel to Mass, take your Spiritual Communion, pray extra prayers and do what needs to be done to keep the Lord's Day Holy. I certainly would hate to have to resort to this again, but God needs to see exactly where we stand if He is to provide us with a good priest for our spiritual needs.

Seraphia · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2013, 06:11:47 PM »

As a homeschooling widow of two boys, I would stay home and attend the resistance Mass when available.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2013, 06:40:46 PM »

I'm sorry to hear that you're widowed, Seraphia.

Seraphia · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2013, 07:06:32 PM »

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I'm sorry to hear that you're widowed, Seraphia.

Not to worry, I've been a widow since I was six months pregnant with my second (and of course last) child. That was 13 years ago. With Mary's help, I'm a lot stronger than I look. If they (SSPX, Rome or the Masonic powers that be) think they are going to take my Faith away, they are sorely mistaken.

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parentsfortruth · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2013, 07:15:05 PM »

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Well, first I agree with Mith, it is different at each chapel and as long as we know we can get the true Mass and Sacraments from a priest that truly is a priest, and as long as the priest does not start preaching NO garbage, we go - provided a good Independent or Sede chapel is unavailable.

Because of what it is, It is the Mass that matters.

No Moto, no Diocesan anything and no Novus Ordo services and like Mith, I wouldn't know a good DL from a bad one so I personally would not attempt going to one.

Should it become necessary again as it was in the late 60's early 70s, stay home and read your Mass from your Missal best as you can, Send your Holy Angel to Mass, take your Spiritual Communion, pray extra prayers and do what needs to be done to keep the Lord's Day Holy. I certainly would hate to have to resort to this again, but God needs to see exactly where we stand if He is to provide us with a good priest for our spiritual needs.

I have to disagree here. The Arians had the Mass, but they didn't believe. People like Saint Hermenegild were martyred because they would not receive communion from a heretic. It's not -just- the Mass. Archbishop Lefevbre aptly said, it's the "Faith, the Faith, and the Faith."

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2013, 09:17:29 PM »

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Quote from: Stubborn
Well, first I agree with Mith, it is different at each chapel and as long as we know we can get the true Mass and Sacraments from a priest that truly is a priest, and as long as the priest does not start preaching NO garbage, we go - provided a good Independent or Sede chapel is unavailable.

Because of what it is, It is the Mass that matters.

No Moto, no Diocesan anything and no Novus Ordo services and like Mith, I wouldn't know a good DL from a bad one so I personally would not attempt going to one.

Should it become necessary again as it was in the late 60's early 70s, stay home and read your Mass from your Missal best as you can, Send your Holy Angel to Mass, take your Spiritual Communion, pray extra prayers and do what needs to be done to keep the Lord's Day Holy. I certainly would hate to have to resort to this again, but God needs to see exactly where we stand if He is to provide us with a good priest for our spiritual needs.

I have to disagree here. The Arians had the Mass, but they didn't believe. People like Saint Hermenegild were martyred because they would not receive communion from a heretic. It's not -just- the Mass. Archbishop Lefevbre aptly said, it's the "Faith, the Faith, and the Faith."

No disagreement here. But, as mentioned, just because the society sells out doesn't mean your priest has sold out. This will vary from chapel to chapel. Anything's possible, but I'd expect to see our priest as a professional wrestler before seeing him celebrate the NO, or praise JPII and preach religious liberty from the pulpit.

Unless you're speaking of 'communion' with modernist Rome as such? That a priest who belongs to a priestly society in communion with Rome, regardless of personal orthodoxy, is ipso facto a heretic? That's not what you're saying, is it?

Stubborn · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2013, 04:58:56 AM »

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Quote from: Stubborn
Well, first I agree with Mith, it is different at each chapel and as long as we know we can get the true Mass and Sacraments from a priest that truly is a priest, and as long as the priest does not start preaching NO garbage, we go - provided a good Independent or Sede chapel is unavailable.

Because of what it is, It is the Mass that matters.

No Moto, no Diocesan anything and no Novus Ordo services and like Mith, I wouldn't know a good DL from a bad one so I personally would not attempt going to one.

Should it become necessary again as it was in the late 60's early 70s, stay home and read your Mass from your Missal best as you can, Send your Holy Angel to Mass, take your Spiritual Communion, pray extra prayers and do what needs to be done to keep the Lord's Day Holy. I certainly would hate to have to resort to this again, but God needs to see exactly where we stand if He is to provide us with a good priest for our spiritual needs.

I have to disagree here. The Arians had the Mass, but they didn't believe. People like Saint Hermenegild were martyred because they would not receive communion from a heretic. It's not -just- the Mass. Archbishop Lefevbre aptly said, it's the "Faith, the Faith, and the Faith."

I don't entirely disagree, but unlike the times of saint Hermenegild, thankfully we are free to refuse communion without fear of martyrdom - and we do refuse communion from the NO heretic traitors to Christ who mock His Holy Sacrifice and who are knowingly or unknowingly striving to bring God's wrath upon the world - with the NO we cannot participate nor do we want God to see us as being any part of that mockery of Calvary.

No, we seek the Mass because of what the Mass is, because it is that Holy Sacrifice which pleases and appeases God like nothing else on earth and because of all the graces and strength we can get from our participation at it. We *want* God to see that we strive to be a part of that.

At the same time, we must exercise prudence - which is why we avoid the NO completely because of what *it* is, and if the SSPX start preaching and teaching the NO modernistic filth and go the way of the NO traitors, then we do not want God to see us as being any part of that either.

Padre Pio said we can exist without the sun, but without the Mass we cannot survive. Fr. Altenbach said the last Mass on earth signals the end of time.

We do need the Mass for the graces that come from it which help strengthen our faith, but if the SSPX cave, we will all need to be extra vigilant and extra watchful and be on the alert for another place to assist at Mass because it will be only a matter of time before they get swallowed up by the modernist machine. Let us hope and pray they never succuмb to the NO.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2013, 08:57:14 AM »

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Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: Stubborn
Well, first I agree with Mith, it is different at each chapel and as long as we know we can get the true Mass and Sacraments from a priest that truly is a priest, and as long as the priest does not start preaching NO garbage, we go - provided a good Independent or Sede chapel is unavailable.

Because of what it is, It is the Mass that matters.

No Moto, no Diocesan anything and no Novus Ordo services and like Mith, I wouldn't know a good DL from a bad one so I personally would not attempt going to one.

Should it become necessary again as it was in the late 60's early 70s, stay home and read your Mass from your Missal best as you can, Send your Holy Angel to Mass, take your Spiritual Communion, pray extra prayers and do what needs to be done to keep the Lord's Day Holy. I certainly would hate to have to resort to this again, but God needs to see exactly where we stand if He is to provide us with a good priest for our spiritual needs.

I have to disagree here. The Arians had the Mass, but they didn't believe. People like Saint Hermenegild were martyred because they would not receive communion from a heretic. It's not -just- the Mass. Archbishop Lefevbre aptly said, it's the "Faith, the Faith, and the Faith."

No disagreement here. But, as mentioned, just because the society sells out doesn't mean your priest has sold out. This will vary from chapel to chapel. Anything's possible, but I'd expect to see our priest as a professional wrestler before seeing him celebrate the NO, or praise JPII and preach religious liberty from the pulpit.

Unless you're speaking of 'communion' with modernist Rome as such? That a priest who belongs to a priestly society in communion with Rome, regardless of personal orthodoxy, is ipso facto a heretic? That's not what you're saying, is it?

When I said "communion," I meant, of course, Holy Communion. The Arian priests had valid orders/sacraments, et cetera, but they were heretics.

Yes, it comes down to the priest, but will I be wary if after an accord with Rome whether the priest that comes to say Mass here accepts religious liberty (in it's "very, very limited" view?) or that Jesus did not die for the Jєωs, or that the Muslims and we pray to the same God like it says in Vatican II? Yes, those things will concern me, and I would have to find out whether he agreed with those things. If he did, then I am obliged to stay away, and not receive Holy Communion from a heretic.

Marlelar · « **Reply #11 on:** February 14, 2013, 10:38:39 AM »

What about the seminarians? Anyone have a son there?

Marsha