Author Topic: What will you do? Ifwhen SSPX caves? (Read 13271 times)

Marlelar · « **on:** September 23, 2014, 02:32:56 PM »

For those who currently attend Mass at an SSPX chapel, what will you do if/when they cave and put themselves under the authority of Rome?

Marsha

stgobnait · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2014, 03:37:55 PM »

a better question would be, what will you do when the local ordinary comes to confirm your children and grandchildren.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2014, 04:05:58 PM »

The neo-SSPX has already caved in. Faithful ought to stop attending neo-SSPX Masses.

Frances · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2014, 04:14:03 PM »

:dancing-banana:
When the local ordinary (valid ordination highly questionable!) shows up to "say" Mass or give the Sacraments, I will become the Lone Ranger Tradcat. IOW, I'll have to do without the Mass and Sacraments and go it alone. God doesn't require the impossible.

Ekim · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2014, 04:17:58 PM »

Battle lines are already drawn. Most / majority, will stay where they are. If they were going to support The Resistance Priests they would have already. If the number of priests in The Resistance increases and Masses become regularized (that is at a set time and place on a regular basis) some will make the switch, but not many. Resistance Masses are currently too few and unpredictable to build a steady following. Some will just stop going to Mass all together.

Marlelar · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2014, 04:44:48 PM »

Resistance priests are so few that they cannot reach everybody. If you go to a small chapel where the SSPX only comes twice a month anyway what will you do? Get together w/others for prayers? Is home alone really a viable option, especially if you have kids?

Marsha

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** September 23, 2014, 04:51:43 PM »

Quote from: Marlelar

Is home alone really a viable option, especially if you have kids?
Marsha

No, really it's not.

You'd have to form a chapel for a theoretical future priest, and in the meantime use it as a headquarters to keep the Faith (prayers, Rosary, Catechism, Scripture reading, devotions, doctrinal classes, etc.) and the altar/equipment could be used to teach boys how to serve Mass for when a priest arrives someday, etc.

You could also sing Catholic hymns. In general, you'd want to keep knowledge of the liturgy alive.

You'd certainly want your home to scream "Catholic" so your children would know, for example, what St. Joseph looks like. For this end you should collect traditional Catholic books, statues, and artwork.

This isn't Japan where the Faith has been outlawed. We can't claim lame and just stay home week after week and do nothing, or next to nothing. We'd have to organize and do a bit more than wistfully remember the Mass.

Especially for those with children.

Besides, getting a group/chapel together is the FIRST STEP for an ACTUAL PRIEST COMING TO VISIT. Why not be 100% ready so all you're waiting for is the priest? You want to break down as many obstacles as possible for this.

And there's a very good chance that after a few years of THAT kind of dedication, any boy(s) in the group would be naturally (and supernaturally) inspired to try out a vocation (at the Boston, KY seminary for example) and then you'd have your priest!

Marlelar · « **Reply #7 on:** September 23, 2014, 06:40:30 PM »

Those are very good suggestions Matthew. I hope and pray that people will make that effort to keep their groups going.

Marsha

insidebaseball · « **Reply #8 on:** September 23, 2014, 07:06:39 PM »

Would anybody consider attending SSPV, CMRI, or other sede chapel? Or are you so turned off by all the pope/no pope arguments that you don't consider these groups Catholic?

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** September 23, 2014, 08:59:02 PM »

Quote from: insidebaseball

Would anybody consider attending SSPV, CMRI, or other sede chapel? Or are you so turned off by all the pope/no pope arguments that you don't consider these groups Catholic?

I would recommend that Catholics look into these options before they consider going without the Sacraments.

I understand that in some cases the particular chapel could be too "cultish" and therefore to be avoided, but for most people that sede chapel has a bigger problem: being non-existent. By that I mean that the Sede groups just don't have a presence anything close to that of the SSPX -- and look at how far the average SSPX parishioner has to drive to his chapel.

My area is typical. Closest SSPX chapel: 45 minutes. Closest sedevacantist chapel: 3 hours.

So you might get lucky and find an independent chapel or Sede chapel that is Catholic (i.e., not a virtual cult) but you really have to be in the right geographic locations.

Marlelar · « **Reply #10 on:** September 23, 2014, 09:10:01 PM »

Quote from: insidebaseball

Would anybody consider attending SSPV, CMRI, or other sede chapel? Or are you so turned off by all the pope/no pope arguments that you don't consider these groups Catholic?

There are so few that they are probably not an option for very many people.

Marsha

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #11 on:** September 23, 2014, 11:53:33 PM »

I'm glad I don't have to worry about this.

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2014, 12:20:54 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

I'm glad I don't have to worry about this.

Why is that? Because you attend the Indult?

You have your own set of worries; don't kid yourself.

For example, your local bishop getting transferred and the new bishop being less "amenable" to the Tridentine Mass, or the same bishop changing his mind.

Francisco · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2014, 12:37:26 AM »

Quote from: Ekim

Battle lines are already drawn. Most / majority, will stay where they are. If they were going to support The Resistance Priests they would have already. If the number of priests in The Resistance increases and Masses become regularized (that is at a set time and place on a regular basis) some will make the switch, but not many. Resistance Masses are currently too few and unpredictable to build a steady following. Some will just stop going to Mass all together.

Maybe most of the priests will stay with the SSPX, but not all. Some will leave and set up independently. It is quite possible that some do not want to work with, let alone under, Frs Chazal and Pfeiffer. You are right in thinking that some people will stop going for Mass. I also think that there may even be priests who will quit the priesthood altogether. There are some of us who hope that a deal will be done soon so that everybody knows where they stand and can get on with life.

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** September 24, 2014, 12:40:34 AM »

The real challenge will come when the local ordinary tries to bring the local chapels into conformity with Canon Law. Most chapels it appears are run by a board of directors who are used to working together to reach a consensus. The current Canon Law requires all Catholic institutions to be under the control of the local bishop.