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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Infirmus on July 29, 2024, 08:53:05 PM
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What kind of sede was Thuc?
Does he have any writings after Palmar da Troya?
Did he write anything about why he decided to say he withheld his intentions with PDaT?
C mri holds him as a hero?
Archbishop Lefebvre was a saintly hero, look at his life and his works, his missionary accomplishments, does Thuc have any post V2 writings, works, accomplishments?
I know the answer this post will get "This post is not worth the energy to respond"
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Google is your friend. Do some research.
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Show respect for His Most Reverent Ngo Dinh Thuc (deceased - RIP).
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If you were not so determined to be a proud fool, you could actually learn something here.
This way you will only annoy people and get banned sooner or later.:fryingpan:
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What kind of sede was Thuc?
Does he have any writings after Palmar da Troya?
Did he write anything about why he decided to say he withheld his intentions with PDaT?
C mri holds him as a hero?
Archbishop Lefebvre was a saintly hero, look at his life and his works, his missionary accomplishments, does Thuc have any post V2 writings, works, accomplishments?
I know the answer this post will get "This post is not worth the energy to respond"
Did you know that Archbishop Lefebvre highly respected Archbishop Thuc and that Archbishop Lefevbre was the reason Thuc went to Palmar da Troya?
From what I understand... All or at least of the traditional clergy who resisted the novus ordo respected Archbishop Thuc.
Whether Archbishop Thus was a sede or not is not as important as the fact that he defended the Faith and the Sacraments when few others would.
I would encourage you to find and read the diary/memoirs of Archbishop Thuc and hear about these things from his own words.
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Did he write anything about why he decided to say he withheld his intentions with PDaT?
This is a myth. He did not withhold the sacramental intention when he conferred holy orders on the Palmar de Troya group. What he said later was some form of regret for having ordained and consecrated one of them.
It would have been sacrilegious to feign the conferral of holy orders while withholding the intention to administer the sacrament.
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Does he have any writings after Palmar da Troya?
Yes. In 1981 he wrote an excellent statement on the situation in the Church, which has become known as his "Munich Declaration (https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/declaration-of-archbishop-ngo-dinh-thuc/)":
(Sorry I can't copy/paste on my phone, but just click the link)
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Here is a brief overview of his life. (https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/reflections-on-the-life-of-archbishop-pierre-martin-ngo-dinh-thuc/)
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Here is some more info (including his papal mandate):
ARCHBISHOP THUC (ourladyoftheholyrosarychapel.com) (https://www.ourladyoftheholyrosarychapel.com/archbishop-thuc)
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Did you know that Archbishop Lefebvre highly respected Archbishop Thuc and that Archbishop Lefevbre was the reason Thuc went to Palmar da Troya?
From what I understand... All or at least of the traditional clergy who resisted the novus ordo respected Archbishop Thuc.
Whether Archbishop Thus was a sede or not is not as important as the fact that he defended the Faith and the Sacraments when few others would.
I would encourage you to find and read the diary/memoirs of Archbishop Thuc and hear about these things from his own words.
Thanks AMDGJMJ
Where did you get this from?
Archbishop Lefebvre warned the faithful to stay away from Thuc that he has caused scandal.
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Yes. In 1981 he wrote an excellent statement on the situation in the Church, which has become known as his "Munich Declaration (https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/declaration-of-archbishop-ngo-dinh-thuc/)":
(Sorry I can't copy/paste on my phone, but just click the link)
Thanks Yeti, read that already
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Here is a brief overview of his life. (https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/reflections-on-the-life-of-archbishop-pierre-martin-ngo-dinh-thuc/)
Thanks again Yeti
Read that too from the C mri.
Really not a lot of his writings about fighting for the Faith, did he write a book?
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Here is some more info (including his papal mandate):
ARCHBISHOP THUC (ourladyoftheholyrosarychapel.com) (https://www.ourladyoftheholyrosarychapel.com/archbishop-thuc)
Thanks 2Vermont
read that before as well.
Did he start a seminary like he said in the Munich declaration?
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Thanks 2Vermont
read that before as well.
Did he start a seminary like he said in the Munich declaration?
He never started a seminary of his own but he spoke with various trad clergy
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Thanks AMDGJMJ
Where did you get this from?
Archbishop Lefebvre warned the faithful to stay away from Thuc that he has caused scandal.
I apologize. It was not Arcbishop Lefevbre directly who got Archbishop Thuc involved with Palmar. Arcbishop Lefebvre sent 3 priests there and it was one of them who went to Archbishop Thuc.
"Consecration of bishops
To be guaranteed access to the sacraments, Domínguez’s group needed its own bishops. Domínguez wrote a letter to Marcel Lefebvre and asked him to consecrate him. Lefebvre sent three of his priests. In 1976, the (now laicised) Swiss priest Maurice Revaz (who had taught Canon Law at the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) seminary in Ecône) persuaded the elderly Vietnamese Archbishop Ngo Dinh Thuc[4] of the authenticity of the apparitions.[5] Archbishop Thuc was chosen because he was a papal legate. Accepting the mystical message of the seer-mystics, the Archbishop believed that he was called by the Virgin Mary to raise two of the order’s members (Domínguez and a lawyer named Manuel Alonso Corral) and three of the priests associated with the group to the rank of bishop. Thuc also ordained some laymen to the priesthood.
As Thuc acted without obtaining the mandatory authorisation from the Holy See, he and the five men he consecrated as bishops were subsequently excommunicated by Paul VI. Thuc subsequently cut his ties with the group and was reconciled with the Church authorities."
https://infogalactic.com/info/Palmarian_Catholic_Church (https://infogalactic.com/info/Palmarian_Catholic_Church)
(Reference: Robert Duncan, Spain's Pope Gregory XVII: A Profile Of Madness. Retrieved 2008-07-01.)
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Thanks AMDGJMJ
Where did you get this from?
Archbishop Lefebvre warned the faithful to stay away from Thuc that he has caused scandal.
Once again my apologies. It was not Archbishop Lefevbre directly who supported Archbishop Thuc. It was Don Antonio de Castro-Mayer. He was one of the co-consecrator bishops at the SSPX consecration of Bishop Williamson and the other 3 bishops. So, part of the SSPX connections but not the SSPX directly...
"In 1985 one of my confr�res, the Rev. Donald J. Sanborn, suggested that our group approach Don Antonio de Castro-Mayer, the retired Bishop of Campos, Brazil, to see if he’d be willing to ordain priests for us, or at least offer some advice. This prelate had taken a strong stand against the New Mass, and his position on John Paul II was said to be much harder than Abp. Lefebvre’s.
Father Sanborn visited Campos in April 1985 and spoke at great length with Bp. Mayer. The bishop, it turned out, confined his apostolate to Brazil.
When Father Sanborn broached the topic of who could ordain priests for us, Bp. Mayer said: “Go to Gu�rard!”
Father Sanborn said that he doubted the validity of Bp. Gu�rard’s episcopal consecration. The bishop replied: “If it’s valid for Gu�rard, it’s valid for me.” Father Sanborn explained some of his hesitations. Bp. Mayer answered: “Gu�rard is the most qualified person in the world to determine if the consecration was valid.”"
https://traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=60... (https://traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=60...)
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As Thuc acted without obtaining the mandatory authorization from the Holy See, he and the five men he consecrated as bishops were subsequently excommunicated by Paul VI. Thuc subsequently cut his ties with the group and was reconciled with the Church authorities."
This is the first I'm hearing of any excommunication by Paul VI. I'm not familiar with the website included in your original post. Is the info accurate?
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This is the first I'm hearing of any excommunication by Paul VI. I'm not familiar with the website included in your original post. Is the info accurate?
I have heard of the excommunication in many places. It makes sense that he would be excommunicated sort of like Lefebvre, right?
Here is a newspaper clipping of the 2nd excommunication of Archbishop Thuc. The first excommunication was because of the palmarians:
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/08/world/around-the-world-vietnamese-archbishop-excommunicated-again.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/08/world/around-the-world-vietnamese-archbishop-excommunicated-again.html)
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Thanks AMDGJMJ
Where did you get this from?
Archbishop Lefebvre warned the faithful to stay away from Thuc that he has caused scandal.
I think that Father Noel Barbara is where I had originally read about Thuc being supported and respected by Archbishop Lefebvre and Lefebvre being the reason he went to Palmar. He heard these things mentioned in person by Archbishop Lefebvre:
https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/episcopal-consecrations-conferred-by-archbishop-ngo-dinh-thuc/
(https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/episcopal-consecrations-conferred-by-archbishop-ngo-dinh-thuc/)