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What to think about Akita (part 3)
« on: November 19, 2013, 11:12:48 AM »
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  • At first we finish the study of the third message which says in 1973 that the devil WILL infiltrate the church... So it means that for the "lady" of Akita, the devil is not in the church yet in 1973, that is after V II... So it means that Vatican II is good, and the new mass is good, for Akita.
    Secondly, we observe that there are similarities between Neues Europa and Akita (same expressions and ideas)
    In the third part, we study if the revelation of the sentences of Neues europa given by cardinal Ottaviani to Don Luigi Villa are really the third secret of Fatima or not. I think it is not and I explain why.
    We will see that Ottaviani was not trustable at all.
    http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/11/iii-que-penser-des-apparitions-dakita.html


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    « Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 06:08:13 AM »
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  • Doesn't that depend on (a) whether we accept Akita and (if so) (b) whether the reference to infiltration by the devil means an ongoing process or a completed one?

    Personally I don't accept Akita as a Marian revelation and the Church doesn't require that we do.  By 1973, the revolution in the Church was well advanced and the person who declared Akita worthy of belief was one of its praetorian guard.  None other than Joseph Ratzinger.

    The smoke of Satan entered the Church in the 1960s and has been progressively obscuring Truth ever since. I believe that Akita is an example of that.  

    At the end of the day, it's a pretty banal message from the Mother of God: repent, pray and hope that She can restrain the arm of the Lord and prevent a great chastisement by fire.  

    It adds nothing to Fatima - a revelation truly worthy of belief.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 12:29:05 PM »
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  • I've always been suspect of Akita but couldn't pinpoint why.  These articles provide the theological analysis proving why Akita is not worthy of belief.

    Thank you.

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    Doesn't that depend on (a) whether we accept Akita and (if so) (b) whether the reference to infiltration by the devil means an ongoing process or a completed one?



    No, it does not depend on (a) and/or (b).

    Actually, you have it backwards, inspiritu20.  Whether "Vatican
    II is good, and the Newmass is good, for Akita" or not, does not
    depend on whether we accept Akita.  Rather whether we accept
    Akita should depend on whether Vat.II is good according to Akita,
    and whether the Newmass is good, according to Akita.

    We don't accept Akita or reject it first, and then think about Vat.II
    and the Newmass.  You have it backwards, inspiritu20.


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    Personally I don't accept Akita as a Marian revelation and the Church doesn't require that we do.




    It's true, the Church does not require that the faithful accept any of
    the many approved apparitions of Our Lady.  Apparitions, per se,
    cannot be dogma.  

    However, when a publicly announced (that is, prophesied, literally)
    miracle of unprecedented magnitude in the history of the world, such
    as the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima in 1917 occurs, together with all
    the 'little miracles' that accompanied it, it's not just something that we
    can all turn away from and say it's not required of us to pay any
    attention.  

    As for Akita, it is under the jurisdiction of the local bishop to review
    and to pronounce any danger to the Faith that an apparition in his
    diocese represents, and Bishop Ito of Akita did the required work and
    asked the proper questions and spent the necessary time, coming up
    with his own authoritative approval, saying there is no danger to the
    Faith there.  

    Okay, so we are left with the fact that he was on board with the
    Newmass and the aftermath of Vat.II.  But note the timing:  he was not
    a Newbishop, but consecrated in the Old Rite, and ordained before any
    of the changes in 1970 to the ordination form, so you can't accuse him
    of not being a real bishop or a real priest.  That rug is pulled out from
    under the sedes' feet at Akita.  

    It seems to me that the principal message of Akita is that everything
    is not simply black or white.  There are shades of grey, too.


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    By 1973, the revolution in the Church was well advanced and the person who declared Akita worthy of belief was one of its praetorian guard. None other than Joseph Ratzinger.



    Well, no, the person was not Ratzinger, but rather the person was Bishop
    Ito of Japan.  The local bishop has the authority, and does not need to
    rely on any word from the Vatican or whatever.  It's his own jurisdiction.


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    The smoke of Satan entered the Church in the 1960s and has been progressively obscuring Truth ever since. I believe that Akita is an example of that.



    There isn't anything to stop you.  But likewise, you have no right to
    say someone else is wrong for believing in Akita, because the local
    bishop said there is no danger to the Faith in what happened there.


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    At the end of the day, it's a pretty banal message from the Mother of God: repent, pray and hope that She can restrain the arm of the Lord and prevent a great chastisement by fire.



    It may seem banal to you, but that's your choice.  Maybe if an angel
    held a bible up in front of your face and pointed to Genesis 3:15, the
    protoevangelium, and you could hear him speaking even though you
    had been deaf all your life, you might not think it was so "banal."

    Don't forget, that the version of the Scripture was a faithful translation
    of the Latin Vulgate, while every other translation since the KJV has
    categorically changed the words of Gen. iii. 15 to say something else.
    It is practically impossible that the devil would draw anyone's attention
    to the very thing he wants the world to FORGET, that it is the HEEL of
    the Blessed Mother of God that will crush his head.  That is not at all
    'banal' any way you slice it.

    Nor is the warning to "repent" a banal message.  You know, inspiritu20,
    millions of real people fall into hell because they just can't seem to
    muster the gumption to practice a little contrition.  So the same old
    tired message to repent might make the difference of your eternity
    if you are one of those guys.  Is that so "banal?"

    As for Our Lady preventing the arm of God from chastising the world
    by fire, you sound like you don't believe that.  Are you aware that
    this is a doctrine of the Church?  Now, maybe it's not a dogma that
    you'd be a heretic for refusing to believe it, but it is what the Church
    teaches, that Our Lady restrains the wrath of God.  If you were caught
    in a fire and a fireman came to you with an insulating shield that keeps
    the heat off of you, would you scoff at him and say it's a "banal"
    concept to hope that he can help you that way?

    You would do so at your own peril.


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    It adds nothing to Fatima - a revelation truly worthy of belief.



    I can understand your suspicion of Akita okay, and as you say, it
    doesn't "add anything" to Fatima.   But you have to keep in mind
    that there are a number of authentic apparitions of Our Lady that
    don't 'add anything' to other apparitions.  

    Her message is really the same throughout all of history, so why
    does any particular appearance have to "add" anything?  

    Maybe if you were the Blessed Virgin Mary then you could think of
    a few tricks to add to make it more exciting for the skeptics?

    I'm reminded of the Fatima Crusader, whose critics told Fr. Gruner
    after the first issue in 1978, 'Well, that's about all there is to say
    here, so you're not going to have anything "new" for a
    second issue'!

    He recalled that criticism when they printed Issue Number 100
    this past year, after 35 years of his apostolate for Our Lady.  They're
    now on Issue 106.  Maybe you think that's "banal" too?


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    I've always been suspect of Akita but couldn't pinpoint why.  These articles provide the theological analysis proving why Akita is not worthy of belief.

    Thank you.



    Oh, okay.  So the Internet Court of Popular Opinion oversteps the
    jurisdiction of the local bishop.    :judge:


    Fascinating!  :laugh2:


    Where is that found in the history of the Church?  Or is it a new
    POWER of Antichrist via signs and wonders so as to deceive (if
    possible) even the elect?  

    Hmmmm??

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    What to think about Akita (part 3)
    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 01:31:10 PM »
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    So it means that for the "lady" of Akita, the devil is not in the church yet in 1973, that is after V II



    We all know that the smoke of Satan entered the Church with Vatican II.  Even Paul VI acknowledged it.

    There are really only two options - either Akita is a genuine Marian apparition and the Mother of God is referring to an iterative process, or it is not a genuine apparition and the 'message' is designed to confuse or deceive.

    We are free to believe Akita a true Marian apparition or not.  I don't believe that it is.  Others are free to believe or not as their conscience dictates, but I will not be told what I may or may not believe unless it's an article of faith.  No revelation for the past couple of millennia has been.

    That isn't to say that none are worthy of belief.  Fatima is a case in point, but I wouldn't use Fatima as an example to claim credibility for Akita.  

    Nor would I assume that any priest or bishop ordained under the old rite is automatically a reliable source. Every single cleric at Vatican II was ordained under the old rite and we know that more than a few of them were wolves in sheep's clothing.  

    Having said that, Bishop Ito did not, in fact, proclaim Akita worthy of belief - the definitive statement came from Joseph Ratzinger.

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    April 22, 1984 — After eight years of investigations, Rev. John Shojiro Ito, Bishop of Niigata, Japan, recognizes "the supernatural character of a series of mysterious events concerning the statue of the Holy Mother Mary" and authorizes "throughout the entire diocese, the veneration of the Holy Mother of Akita, while awaiting that the Holy See publishes definitive judgment on this matter."




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    As for Our Lady preventing the arm of God from chastising the world
    by fire, you sound like you don't believe that.  Are you aware that
    this is a doctrine of the Church?  Now, maybe it's not a dogma that
    you'd be a heretic for refusing to believe it, but it is what the Church
    teaches, that Our Lady restrains the wrath of God.  If you were caught
    in a fire and a fireman came to you with an insulating shield that keeps
    the heat off of you, would you scoff at him and say it's a "banal"
    concept to hope that he can help you that way?




    I certainly believe that Our Lady has restrained the arm of the Lord, and that Fatima was as clear an example of that as we could wish for.  I just don't believe that she was present at Akita, and there is no doctrinal requirement to do so.

    My use of the word 'banal' refers to the specific message allegedly given at Akita.  Not to Our Lady, nor to the concept of Her restraining the arm of the Lord.  Of course, Our Lady has spoken to mankind at crucial moments in history, but the Adversary has also sought to mislead mankind at pivotal moments in history and it behooves us to take great care in discerning what is worthy of belief.  Lest in believing one palatable thing, we are obliged to swallow something far less palatable - now more than ever, when the Light is so badly obscured and the wolves have free rein within the fold.




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    « Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 02:03:25 PM »
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    We have a few problems with this OP here:

    Quote from: InDominoSperavi
    At first we finish the study of the third message which says in 1973 that the devil WILL infiltrate the church...



    In Scripture it says that Our Lady was a virgin who married Joseph,
    and that "...he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son :  
    and he called his name Jesus"
    (Matt. i. 25).   The protestants claim
    that means that after Jesus was born, then Our Lady had other
    children.  But that is false.  

    Likewise, when Akita says the devil WILL inflitrate the Church it does
    not mean that therefore the devil had not yet done so.  In fact, it
    could easily mean that the devil would continue to do so but in ways
    that he had not previously been able to do.  How about Assisi I, II and
    III?  Do you suppose the Church of 1972 would have stood for that?


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    So it means that for the "lady" of Akita, the devil is not in the church yet in 1973, that is after V II... So it means that Vatican II is good, and the new mass is good, for Akita.



    Well, actually, no, it does not mean that.  Akita was not pronouncing
    God's judgment on Vat.II or on the Newmass.  There is no mention
    of Vat.II or the Newmass in Akita's messages.  The mystery of iniquity
    was at work, and that could easily extend to this rather subdued
    apparition.  God could easily have been holding back, for He did not
    stop Vat.II in its progress as He could have done.  God did not stop
    the Newmass from spreading like cancer.  Why do you suppose that
    it would be up to Akita to do that if God didn't do it WITHOUT Akita?  
    Do you think that God needs an obscure apparition like this to get
    something done in His Church???  

    So God could have been holding back at Akita, since it was by the
    power of the Church that Vat.II and the Newmass had been convened
    and executed.  

    The evil of Vat.II and the Newmass was not God's idea.  But
    nonetheless, He permitted it to take place.  And if He wanted to stop it,
    He wouldn't need Akita to do so!


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    Secondly, we observe that there are similarities between Neues Europa and Akita (same expressions and ideas)



    And, the point is...........  what?  

    Did you know there are expressions and ideas from the OT and the
    NT found in practically every false religion on earth?  Does that mean
    the OT and the NT are of the devil?

    I knew a satanist who wore red shoes.  Well, the pope traditionally
    has red slippers, so he must be a satanist, no?  


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    In the third part, we study if the revelation of the sentences of Neues europa given by cardinal Ottaviani to Don Luigi Villa are really the third secret of Fatima or not. I think it is not and I explain why.



    And I no doubt would agree with you, but what does that prove?


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    We will see that Ottaviani was not trustable at all.
    http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/11/iii-que-penser-des-apparitions-dakita.html


    Ottaviani was not the enemy of the Church you'd make him out to be.

    Some Trads uphold Ottaviani and Pius XII as if they were absolutely
    squeaky clean, but that's not quite the case.  They were good men,
    but they had their faults.  And the devil takes full advantage of man's
    faults.  


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    « Reply #6 on: November 22, 2013, 03:09:43 PM »
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  • Dear Neil,
    It seems to me that you did not read my articles... Perhaps French is too difficult with google translate. I can understand it. But unfortunately I have not enough time and I am not good enough at English to translate everything. I answer most of your objections in my articles.
    I will just answer here two of your objections about Bp Ito : it is not because Bp Ito was a real Bishop and had the juridiction to decide if an apparition was good or not that he was inerrant/infallible in his statement. You know, if the pope himself can do false canonizations, a fortiori Bp Ito can do false judgements... We cannot trust at all a conciliar Bishop.
    In my second article I show that there is at least a problem of doctrine in Akita, about the flood. The 'lady' of Akita doesn't believe that there were only 8 people alive after the flood. And it is a truth of faith.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 22, 2013, 06:33:20 PM »
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    Dear Neil,
    It seems to me that you did not read my articles... Perhaps French is too difficult with google translate. I can understand it.



    If I could read and understand French I would read your articles.
    But Google Translate has been so frustrating for me in the past, that
    when it comes to important things like this, there is no reason for me
    to even try using it, because I won't know when something that looks
    all screwy is really just a bad translation.

    Let's just say I don't like Google Translate just like you don't like
    Bishop Ito.............  So we're even!!   HAHAHAHAHAHA

    (That means it was a joke.  :wink: )


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    But unfortunately I have not enough time and I am not good enough at English to translate everything. I answer most of your objections in my articles.
    I will just answer here two of your objections about Bp Ito : it is not because Bp Ito was a real Bishop and had the [jurisdiction] to decide if an apparition was good or not that he was inerrant/infallible in his statement.



    Maybe you don't know what infallible means.  It does not apply to
    apparitions.  Apparitions can't be dogma.  All the bishop can do is
    render his licit authority to the question of whether there is anything
    contrary to the faith in it.  If there was something contrary to the
    faith, he was not able to find it, but that doesn't mean that there
    was in fact nothing.  Maybe there was something that escaped his
    investigation.  

    Did you find something that Bishop Ito missed, or did you find
    something that you think is an error while +Ito said it was not an
    error?


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    You know, if the pope himself can do false canonizations, a fortiori Bp Ito can do false judgements...



    The falsity of modern canonizations stems from the fact that some
    of the necessary components to the process are omitted, such as
    the devil's advocate, and the three miracles ('reduced' to one, and
    perhaps not even one real one is necessary now).  

    So what was it about +Ito's procedure that you think was defective?


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    We cannot trust at all a conciliar Bishop.



    Well, you don't have to trust him if you don't want to.  I said that
    before.  But have you gone over all the questions he studied and the
    investigations that he conducted?  Do you suppose that he had all
    those things wrong too?  Or are you presuming that because he is
    a conciliar bishop, therefore he must be wrong about anything you
    don't like to hear him say?

    If it was a deception of the devil, why would the devil use a
    long-forgotten edition of the Bible in Japanese which contains an
    accurate rendition of the one Scripture passage in the OT that
    the devil has been trying to obscure for Five Thousand (5,000) years?  

    Can you find any other "deception of the devil" where the devil quotes
    that passage of Scripture accurately?  We do have numerous examples
    of where he misquoted it, but AFAIK there are none where he correctly
    quotes it.  

    (AFAIK = as far as I know)


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    In my second article I show that there is at least a problem of doctrine in Akita, about the flood. The 'lady' of Akita doesn't believe that there were only 8 people alive after the flood. And it is a truth of faith.



    And Akita is primarily all about the Flood of Noah, correct?  I mean
    what a central point that must be.  So, do you have the reference to
    which you allude?  The Message of Akita was very short, and most
    of the 101 times the statue 'cried tears' were not accompanied by
    much words, if any at all.  Many times, the statue just cried and that
    was all.  So how does the number of people who survived the Flood
    have anything to do with Akita?  That happened about 4,000 years
    before Akita.  Can you quote the context that concerns you?


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    « Reply #8 on: November 22, 2013, 07:41:35 PM »
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  • IDS,

    Please advise the source of your the Akita messages into their French translations?

    Our Lady of Akita was communicating in Japanese.  
    I've read English translations.

    Did you ever watch the video, "Hill of Redemption" ?
    I know that the English narrated film did not do a good job of expressing the severity of Our Lady's warning.

    There may be some confusion in the translations?

    The Novus Ordo missae aspect of Akita bothered me too.

    As +W has suggested,  we can view the 1973 time period as being in the "twilight" of the change to newChurch.

    Besides, even Cardinal Ratzinger has claimed that Japanese Catholics are 20 years behind the Catholic West.

    So, we have a validly ordained Japanese Bishop conducting an investigation of the 101 miraculous occurrences of the weeping statue and the messages, which are in the tone of the Fatima, 3rd Secret.

    In addition, with a little knowledge of the culture, I think Sister Sasegawa is very credible.

    I'm paraphrasing here, but I believe the Virgin stated to her there would be a chastisement greater than the deluge and the survivors would envy the dead.

    Sounds like WWIII and the"Three Days of Darkness" to me.

    Of course, it is hard to reconstruct the time period because the Marian Shrines throughout the world have been essentially hijacked by the Freemasons.

    I can't help but think Our Lady wanted to give the Fatima warning to Asia.

    At the time, Japan was an emerging economic powerhouse and the world was watching them.  

    It was a good setting for a stern warning from Heaven.



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    In regards to Marian apparitions in general and to miracles
    associated with them, in recent centuries, as compared to medieval
    times and more ancient times, God has distanced Himself from this
    earth. He does not give such miracles as He once did long ago, to
    this revolutionary world, because it is not worthy of such things.

    Someone could object: But if He would work miracles like that, then
    the world would change.

    I don’t think so. You can observe the statues of Our Lady that have
    wept in various places. Notwithstanding, nothing changed. People
    ordered chemical examinations of her tears. The lab results concluded
    that the tears were actually human tears – that is to say, a manifest
    miracle. Still, practically no one changes his life. People have reached
    a degree of insensibility to the supernatural that almost nothing can
    change them.  

    When certain particulars may not be just what some remote
    observers may have preferred to have seen happening there, they
    would then look for reasons to be suspicious.  Why would God give
    miracles to observers who dare to cast aspersions of doubt on the
    very tears of His own Mother?

    You can note the silence that has fallen over Lourdes. We could almost
    say that Lourdes hardly exists anymore. Why? Because people today
    scorn miracles and thus are no longer worthy of them.

    This is the reason why for some time Our Lady has wept. Doing this,
    she nourishes the piety of the good Catholics. Those who are not too
    proud to accept the occurrence of her tears are happy to be consoled.  
    Our Lady also leaves evidence that she forewarned mankind of the
    catastrophe that is near.


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    « Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 03:46:25 AM »
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  • I never understood why Our Lady needed to restrain the arm of Our Lord.

    Up in Heaven are they not of one mind?  Either the world needs, deserves and would benefit from a jolly good chastisement, or it wouldn't, yet.

    Jesus is not a tyrannical father prone to beating his kids for the slightest peccadillo in order to vent his frustration of being a failure in life.  And Our Lady is not a weak willed mother who would want to stand in the way of a good beating, if it was well deserved and merited.

    In a very well run family, with human parents, when the children misbehave and get a good thrashing from their father the mother does not stand between them.  A good mother knows when a beating is well deserved needed and warranted and supports her husband.

    This restraining the arm of her son business implies that Jesus is a meany or Our Lady is a pushover.


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    I never understood why Our Lady needed to restrain the arm of Our Lord.

    Up in Heaven are they not of one mind?  Either the world needs, deserves and would benefit from a jolly good chastisement, or it wouldn't, yet.

    Jesus is not a tyrannical father prone to beating his kids for the slightest peccadillo in order to vent his frustration of being a failure in life.  And Our Lady is not a weak willed mother who would want to stand in the way of a good beating, if it was well deserved and merited.

    In a very well run family, with human parents, when the children misbehave and get a good thrashing from their father the mother does not stand between them.  A good mother knows when a beating is well deserved needed and warranted and supports her husband.

    This restraining the arm of her son business implies that Jesus is a meany or Our Lady is a pushover.



    There is a big difference in a father punishing his children for their correction and Our Lord chastising billions of souls into hell for all eternity.

    It's most probable that right now the many storms/fires/floods/earthquakes/ etc. ad nausem happening frequently all over the world is the heavenly Father giving the world a "good thrashing" - but because without the faith the children of the world continue their near unanimous open rebellion against their Father, the Father is ready to give these billions of children their just reward - eternal damnation, while the Blessed Mother, on her children's behalf, keeps pleading for the Father to hold off doing that which this world deserves as she continues to gather her children one by one to her side.


     
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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  • Those natural disasters have always happened.

    I have never seen any statistically based evidence to say they have increased in frequency or strength.

    What HAS increased is their reporting and the fact that every man and his dog has a video camera now.  And a lot of nuts reacting to every one that is reported like it is the worst thing ever.

    Fact is that in the 1300 a disease wiped out HALF the population of Europe.  And in the 1700s Lisbon was DESTROYED by a huge earthquake.  We have not had a black death, a capital city utterly turned to rubble or a massive solar flare or gamma ray burst in the last 100 years.

    If a few natural disasters are 'the' Chastisement then all I have to say is YAWN.  Most sinners are not even noticing them and generally speaking they affect the poor far more than the rich western nations that are leading the apostacy.

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  • The 2005 hurricane season—and the many disasters reported on worldwide—left many people wondering if there has been an increase in the number of natural disasters.

    Certainly radical environmentalists would like us to believe that human activity in general—and global warming, specifically—have increased the number of hurricanes, tornadoes and other tragedies. And many on the right wonder if it is a sign of the bibical apocalypse.

    So have there been more natural disasters in recent years? In a word, NO.

    What we have, rather, is an increase in our ability to detect hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes.

    Lets take a look at the most active hurricane seasons on record:

    Year # of Storms # of Hurricanes
    2005 22 12
    1931 21 10
    1969 18 12
    1995 19 11
    1936 16 15

    While is is true that 2005 has been recorded as the worst year ever, 1931 and 1936 are not far behind. Furthermore, note that back then there were no weather satellites to track storms from above. If a storm formed out to sea and then blew itself out, no one noticed. If a hurricane formed but didn’t hit land, it wasn’t recorded.

    Given that, its entirely possible—even likely—that the worst year ever was 1931. All it would take was to miss just two tropical storms and three hurricanes.

    And that doesn’t even go to the question of whether or not there were worst hurricane seasons before records were kept. Hurricanes have only been seriously tracked since the 1850s.

    In terms of the worst decades for hurricanes, the 1940s rank first. The 1990s rank 10th in the 15 decades for which records are available.

    What about the increasing damage that hurricanes seem to cause?

    That’s easy to explain. There are more people living on the coasts—and thus more damage. In 1920, there were just 500,000 people living in Florida’s coastal areas. Today, there are more than 13 million.

    More people. More things to damage.

    And how about tornadoes? The recent Evansville, Indiana tornado has been used as evidence of increasing tornado violence.

    In the first place, the 22 dead in Evansville in 2005 pales in comparison to the 1925 Tri State Tornado’s 625 casualties. With no disrespect intended to the people of Evansville, it just doesn’t compare.

    Further, because there are more people in the United States, it is only logical to expect that there are more places for tornadoes to touch down and do damage.

    Interestingly, the US weather service HAS reported a slight increase in the number of tornadoes in recent years. But the increase is attributed to the establishment of the national Doppler Radar System. We simply are getting better at finding them. Prior to a national radar system, a tornado could form in the wilderness and no one would be the wiser. Now, we spot them.

    A similar situation exists with earthquakes. The US Geologic Survey reports a slight increase in the number of earthquakes over the last few years. But, as with tornadoes and hurricanes, this is simply a matter of our increasing ability to detect them.

    In 1931, there were only about 350 earthquake detecting seismograph stations in the world. Today, there are 8,000 stations. It only stands to reason that 8,000 stations are going to detect more seismic events.
    Further, our equipment now is more sensitive. Quakes that were undetectable—either because of intensity or distance—now are recorded.

    And finally, a major reason for the perceived increase in disasters is modern communications and media.

    A hundred years ago, the terrible earthquake in Pakistan might not have been reported until weeks after the fact. By then, it would would simply be a couple of paragraphs in the major newspapers. Most would never note the event.

    Today, the disaster is reported immediately, relayed around the world by satellites, and seen live in the living rooms of millions on television. It certainly looks as though things are getting worse, because we are seeing more of them.

    It’s all a matter of perception.

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    Quote from: ggreg
    Fact is that in the 1300 a disease wiped out HALF the population of Europe. And in the 1700s Lisbon was DESTROYED by a huge earthquake. We have not had a black death, a capital city utterly turned to rubble or a massive solar flare or gamma ray burst in the last 100 years.



    The Great California Earthquake of April 18, 1906 ranks as one of the
    most significant earthquakes of all time.  Although not the "capital city,"
    it was not far from Sacramento which was also heavily damaged, but
    what in San Francisco was not destroyed by the quake itself was done
    in by the enormous fire that erupted after being caused by the quake.

    (Sacramento, CA gets its name from the Spanish pioneers who built
    the California Missions, and is named after the Blessed Sacrament.)


    This photograph by Arnold Genthe shows Sacramento Street and approaching fire. (from Steinbrugge Collection of the UC Berkeley Earthquake Engineering Research Center)


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    If a few natural disasters are 'the' Chastisement then all I have to say is YAWN. Most sinners are not even noticing them and generally speaking they affect the poor far more than the rich western nations that are leading the [apostasy].



    Two things:  1)  The spiritual chastisement that manifested itself
    as Vatican II and the Newmass and Newcode of Canon Law are worse
    than any spate of natural disasters because more souls are being led
    astray by FALSE DOCTRINE because of the errors therein.

    Modernism is the plague of our day, and it is the religion of the devil.
    But the vast majority of people don't even know what it is, nor are
    they aware of the fact they are INFECTED because one of the
    symptoms of this spiritual disease is, you don't know you're infected.

    Consequently, their response is, "Oh, well, so what," or "YAWN," as
    you say.

    2)  The poor always suffer more.  And since suffering is a virtue, it is
    those who suffer who are the TREASURES of the Church, as St.
    Lawrence taught the prefect of Rome.  Note: we have no idea what
    that prefect's name was for his abysmal life is most forgettable.  But
    we do remember the great St. Lawrence who suffered martyrdom at
    his hands because of this very lesson that he taught that day:  the
    poor who suffer are the TREASURES of the Church.

    BTW: the prefect of Rome was taught this, but he didn't learn it.

    He was the horse you can lead to water, but you can't make him drink.


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    The 2005 hurricane season—and the many disasters reported on worldwide—left many people wondering if there has been an increase in the number of natural disasters.

    Certainly radical environmentalists would like us to believe that human activity in general—and global warming, specifically—have increased the number of hurricanes, tornadoes and other tragedies. And many on the right wonder if it is a sign of the [biblical] apocalypse.

    So have there been more natural disasters in recent years? In a word, NO.

    What we have, rather, is an increase in our ability to detect hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes.



    If you look at what Scripture actually says, maybe it would help.  
    In fact, this is from tomorrow's Gospel, that is, if you're going by
    the uncorrupted Catholic Calendar (not the Newchurch one):

    "...the disciples came to him privately saying:  Tell us when shall
    these things be?  And what shall be the sign of thy coming and of
    the consummation of the world?  And Jesus answering said to them:
    Take heed that no man seduce you... And you shall hear of wars
    and rumors of wars.
     See that ye be not troubled.  For these things
    must come to pass, but the end is not yet" (Matt. xxiv. 3-6).

    Did He say that THERE SHALL BE AN INCREASE of wars?  No, He
    said that "you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars."

    That means that our ability to be informed will increase, and
    it means that the very thing you are whining about as the REAL
    thing that's happening INSTEAD, is not happening "instead" at all,
    but rather it is the very thing that was in fact given for us to know
    as prophesy.  


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    Lets take a look at the most active hurricane seasons on record:

    Year # of Storms # of Hurricanes
    2005 22 12
    1931 21 10
    1969 18 12
    1995 19 11
    1936 16 15

    While is is true that 2005 has been recorded as the worst year ever, 1931 and 1936 are not far behind. Furthermore, note that back then there were no weather satellites to track storms from above. If a storm formed out to sea and then blew itself out, no one noticed. If a hurricane formed but didn’t hit land, it wasn’t recorded.

    Given that, its entirely possible—even likely—that the worst year ever was 1931. All it would take was to miss just two tropical storms and three hurricanes.

    And that doesn’t even go to the question of whether or not there were worst hurricane seasons before records were kept. Hurricanes have only been seriously tracked since the 1850s.

    In terms of the worst decades for hurricanes, the 1940s rank first. The 1990s rank 10th in the 15 decades for which records are available.

    What about the increasing damage that hurricanes seem to cause?

    That’s easy to explain. There are more people living on the coasts—and thus more damage. In 1920, there were just 500,000 people living in Florida’s coastal areas. Today, there are more than 13 million.

    More people. More things to damage.

    And how about tornadoes? The recent Evansville, Indiana tornado has been used as evidence of increasing tornado violence.

    In the first place, the 22 dead in Evansville in 2005 pales in comparison to the 1925 Tri State Tornado’s 625 casualties. With no disrespect intended to the people of Evansville, it just doesn’t compare.

    Further, because there are more people in the United States, it is only logical to expect that there are more places for tornadoes to touch down and do damage.

    Interestingly, the US weather service HAS reported a slight increase in the number of tornadoes in recent years. But the increase is attributed to the establishment of the national Doppler Radar System. We simply are getting better at finding them. Prior to a national radar system, a tornado could form in the wilderness and no one would be the wiser. Now, we spot them.



    In Matt. xxiv, does Our Lord say that all these things will be
    more frequent without any regard for our awareness of them?
    On the contrary, He said, "32 And from the fig-tree, learn a
    parable:  when the branch thereof is now tender, and the
    leaves come forth, you know that summer is nigh."

    And when XSPXSGBF uses this parable to try and assure us that
    Rome is converting and then changes his mind in 6 months, learn
    a parable from the fig-tree-Superior-General!

    "He that readeth, let him understand" (Matt. xxiv. 15).

    "So you also, when you shall see all these things, know ye that it
    is nigh, even at the doors" (Matt. xxiv. 33).  

    Did he not say, "when you shall SEE all these things?"  

    It is when these things are seen that is the time when we should
    "know that it is nigh, even at the doors."




    Maybe if Our Lord had told His disciples, "When you shall
    use Doppler to see these things, know that it is nigh, even
    at the doors," perhaps ggreg would understand.  




    And then again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe not.




    (Actually, if He had said, "Doppler" to them, they wouldn't have
    known what the hell he was talking about, nor would "atomic
    energy" or "quantum theory" or "deoxyrebonucleic acid" have
    made any sense to them.  So what He said is for all practical
    purposes EQUIVALENT to those things because He told them
    "he who readeth let him understand," IOW there will come a
    time when these things are knowable by the new information
    that will arise in the future.)




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    A similar situation exists with earthquakes. The US Geologic Survey reports a slight increase in the number of earthquakes over the last few years. But, as with tornadoes and hurricanes, this is simply a matter of our increasing ability to detect them.

    In 1931, there were only about 350 earthquake detecting seismograph stations in the world. Today, there are 8,000 stations. It only stands to reason that 8,000 stations are going to detect more seismic events.
    Further, our equipment now is more sensitive. Quakes that were undetectable—either because of intensity or distance—now are recorded.

    And finally, a major reason for the perceived increase in disasters is modern communications and media.

    A hundred years ago, the terrible earthquake in Pakistan might not have been reported until weeks after the fact. By then, it would would simply be a couple of paragraphs in the major newspapers. Most would never note the event.

    Today, the disaster is reported immediately, relayed around the world by satellites, and seen live in the living rooms of millions on television. It certainly looks as though things are getting worse, because we are seeing more of them.

    It’s all a matter of perception.



    And it's perception that is the topic of the prophesy.

    "Take heed that no man seduce you:  For many will come in my
    name saying, I am Christ, and they will seduce many" (Matt.
    xxiv. 4-5).

    "He that readeth, let him understand"

    He that readeth, let him not be seduced into misunderstanding.


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