Author Topic: What the Internal Resistance forgets - never mentions (Read 3629 times)

Matthew · « **on:** November 03, 2013, 03:12:37 PM »

What is to become of all the good priests who were unjustly sidelined, punished and expelled from the SSPX?

What if I support the "open Resistance" primarily because I knew Bishop Williamson personally and I know that what was done to him was unjust?

I know that Bishop Williamson is controversial, but Archbishop Lefebvre was well aware of Fr. Williamson's political views etc. before he was consecrated.

And Bishop Williamson/Fr. Pfeiffer -- the most controversial ones -- don't make up the entire Resistance. Many "less controversial" priests were unjustly punished and/or expelled as well.

Are we to overlook all this, and fail to support these good priests, just because Bishop Fellay decides to start backpedaling on his pro-Rome liberalization march?

I'm not saying he IS backpedaling -- all I've heard is words. Talk is cheap. From some men in particular.

What I'm saying is, EVEN IF you wanted to follow Sean Johnson and give the SSPX/Bishop Fellay another chance (or the "benefit of the doubt"), where does that leave all the good priests who deserve our support?

Bishop Fellay always leaves them out. Sean Johnson doesn't mention them (or their fate) one way or another.

But we can't just forget about these priests! Even if there were no other reasons left, the Resistance would have a major reason for being: to arrange alternate Mass centers, etc. to support these dedicated and uncompromising priests.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2013, 03:16:53 PM »

In the Red Light/Yellow Light debate, I was with Sean as a yellow-lighter. I still attend my SSPX chapel because I have a family (just like Sean has a family).

I also attend Mass said by a Resistance priest every chance I get.

But I don't "support" or "cheerlead" the SSPX or what they stand for. Not anymore. They no longer seem to be the heirs of Archbishop Lefebvre, which is the position/cause that *I SUPPORT*.

As proof, I can point to the dozens of faithful sons of +Lefebvre who are currently out in the cold, unjustly ejected from the organization which they served for years (decades, in some cases).

If Bishop Fellay is to mend the rift, backpedal, rewind, whatever you want to call it, the fate of these priests will HAVE to be addressed.

Otherwise, you can expect the open Resistance to always be around. If nothing else, to support these priests who gave their lives to God and who depend on us for material support. The SSPX doesn't care about them anymore; they wouldn't care if these good priests were homeless and starving on the streets.

stgobnait · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2013, 03:39:19 PM »

i would imagine there are some priests who would be resisters, but for that very reason, they would be out on the streets. and who can blame them,perhaps some of them too, are yellow light, for now.

let us hope so.

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2013, 03:46:20 PM »

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I know that Bishop Williamson is controversial, but Archbishop Lefebvre was well aware of Fr. Williamson's political views etc. before he was consecrated.

This is problematic for me. Those who object to the Bishop are usually the likes of J Christopher Pryor, Chris Blosser, whose wife is a Jєωess, Ruth Sestak, Patti Petersen, Jeanette Pryor, Dorothy Banks and others.

Archbishop Lefebvre was fond of Padre Tam, who left the SSPX. A few years ago, a crank in England objected to Padre Tam associating with Forza Nuova.

Forza Nuova are our comrades and friends. Why she attacked one of our own is beyond me? It was amazing.

The political views of Bishop Williamson are a non issue. Just observe who the critics are. Usually 'friends of Israel' types.

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2013, 03:49:05 PM »

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you can expect the open Resistance to always be around

There shall be an open Resistance for certain.

John Anthony · « **Reply #5 on:** November 03, 2013, 03:53:04 PM »

Dear Matthew,

"What is to become of all the good priests who were unjustly sidelined, punished and expelled from the SSPX?"

Matthew, what priests are you talking about? Are you saying that besides the small handful of familiar ex- or disaffected SSPX priests (I think that thus far only Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal have actually be excluded) there are other former SSPX priests in the U.S. that left or were excluded from the Society for espousing more or less the same views as the known Resistants?

In better than a year of following the public remarks of the Resistance, I myself haven't heard a squeak about a single one. Could you tell us more?

"What if I support the 'open Resistance' primarily because I knew Bishop Williamson personally and I know that what was done to him was unjust?"

Again, are there actually such SSPX priests who in some sense support the Resistance? And if their only problem with the Society is their having been scandalized by the treatment of +Williamson, what do they need the Resistance for, and do they want the help of the Resistance? They are still members of the SSPX, warts and all.

"I know that Bishop Williamson is controversial, but Archbishop Lefebvre was well aware of Fr. Williamson's political views etc. before he was consecrated."

Can you give some chapter and verse on this?

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** November 03, 2013, 03:54:56 PM »

I am happy to support this property in England as Bishop Williamson continues the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre.

I wouldn't or couldn't support financially a neo SSPX priory.

Mama ChaCha · « **Reply #7 on:** November 03, 2013, 04:13:22 PM »

Quote from: John Anthony

Dear Matthew,

"What is to become of all the good priests who were unjustly sidelined, punished and expelled from the SSPX?"

Matthew, what priests are you talking about? Are you saying that besides the small handful of familiar ex- or disaffected SSPX priests (I think that thus far only Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal have actually be excluded) there are other former SSPX priests in the U.S. that left or were excluded from the Society for espousing more or less the same views as the known Resistants?

In better than a year of following the public remarks of the Resistance, I myself haven't heard a squeak about a single one. Could you tell us more?

I must inquire as well to assess the situation.
Are we talking homeless priests here??

John Grace · « **Reply #8 on:** November 03, 2013, 04:14:21 PM »

I see the political views of the Bishop as a non issue. In an interview with Dr. Nick Kollerstrom, Bishop Williamson stated clearly many SSPX laity paid no heed to his views.

Recently in Ireland the SSPX youth group stayed away from his conference.

His political views are based on facts. For example, Mossad were behind 9/11 and the Bishop told the truth about the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst.

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** November 03, 2013, 04:25:07 PM »

I would have to say many even those, who are not SSPX are close to the political views of the Bishop. Even a few days ago, websites, who never discussed these matters are mentioning the Rothschild family and even American Free Press was linked to. It had an ad for the Barnes Review so hundreds of new people read it for first time.

These are people, who were never political before. I thought it an interesting development.

All this is because people are propagating the ideas and they are spreading.

Sigismund · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2013, 04:27:34 PM »

Quote from: John Anthony

Dear Matthew,

"What is to become of all the good priests who were unjustly sidelined, punished and expelled from the SSPX?"

Matthew, what priests are you talking about? Are you saying that besides the small handful of familiar ex- or disaffected SSPX priests (I think that thus far only Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal have actually be excluded) there are other former SSPX priests in the U.S. that left or were excluded from the Society for espousing more or less the same views as the known Resistants?

In better than a year of following the public remarks of the Resistance, I myself haven't heard a squeak about a single one. Could you tell us more?

"What if I support the 'open Resistance' primarily because I knew Bishop Williamson personally and I know that what was done to him was unjust?"

Again, are there actually such SSPX priests who in some sense support the Resistance? And if their only problem with the Society is their having been scandalized by the treatment of +Williamson, what do they need the Resistance for, and do they want the help of the Resistance? They are still members of the SSPX, warts and all.

"I know that Bishop Williamson is controversial, but Archbishop Lefebvre was well aware of Fr. Williamson's political views etc. before he was consecrated."

Can you give some chapter and verse on this?

Seriously?

I am not even a trad and I know perfectly well who Matthew is talking about. If you need chapter and verse about anything relating to Bishop Williamson you have not been paying attention at all. Come on now.

Is there any chance at all that, if he were alive today, Archbishop Lefebvre would have any truck with making accommodations to VC II as Bishop Fellay has done? Unless HIs Grace lied with every word he spoke, there is no chance at all.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** November 03, 2013, 04:30:01 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

I see the political views of the Bishop as a non issue. In an interview with Dr. Nick Kollerstrom, Bishop Williamson stated clearly many SSPX laity paid no heed to his views.

Recently in Ireland the SSPX youth group stayed away from his conference.

His political views are based on facts. For example, Mossad were behind 9/11 and the Bishop told the truth about the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst.

His political views are based on nonsense, but they are not theological issues. Certainly they were no secret to Archbishop Lefebvre, and he consecrated him anyway. It is beyond disingenuous for Bishop Fellay to simply turn him out.

Frances · « **Reply #12 on:** November 03, 2013, 05:49:30 PM »

:dancing-banana:
Bishop Fellay may be unwittingly making saints of those whom he has unjustly punished.

Stella · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2013, 06:30:06 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

In the Red Light/Yellow Light debate, I was with Sean as a yellow-lighter. I still attend my SSPX chapel because I have a family (just like Sean has a family).

What would you do if you didn't have a family?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #14 on:** November 03, 2013, 06:53:43 PM »

The resistance supporters in our area have been going to Mass at SSPX while four of us have been missing Mass and the Sacraments.

We have bigger problems: The anti-Catholic Masonic hierarchy in Rome.