Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?  (Read 15686 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Ladislaus

  • Supporter
  • *****
  • Posts: 46380
  • Reputation: +27300/-5043
  • Gender: Male
Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
« Reply #90 on: October 10, 2018, 11:52:33 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    Here's one the SSPX overlooked and chose instead the one they did for the classroom:
    .
    .
    I say it's not unreasonable to expect that this would not be acceptable for the NeoSSPX.
    Reason being, the INRI above Our Lord's head is offensive to Jews.
    Reason being, they REJECT this Jesus Christ as their King.
    They want the sign to say, "HE SAID, I am the King of the Jews" (Jn. 19:21).
    Simple.

    Wow, this one is beautiful.  I would like to get something like this.  Can a copy of this be purchased somewhere?

    By definition, of crucifix, you need a cross and Christ's Corpus "fixed" to the cross.  That implies nail wounds & nails.  INRI, well I would want that, but I would not call something that met these other requirements NOT a crucifix for mere lack of INRI.

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 46380
    • Reputation: +27300/-5043
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #91 on: October 10, 2018, 11:54:19 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I also don't care for Our Lord being depicted without a beard, as was often the case in the early Roman Church, but I wouldn't say that it wasn't a legitimate picture of Our Lord because He lacked a beard.


    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18177
    • Reputation: +8277/-692
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #92 on: October 11, 2018, 12:31:43 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Wow, this one is beautiful.  I would like to get something like this.  Can a copy of this be purchased somewhere?

    By definition, of crucifix, you need a cross and Christ's Corpus "fixed" to the cross.  That implies nail wounds & nails.  INRI, well I would want that, but I would not call something that met these other requirements NOT a crucifix for mere lack of INRI.
    .
    I was struck immediately by this crucifix, even though it does show Our Lord with regal vestments and a crown not of thorns, and no chest wound. There's something about the whole impression it makes that causes one to look twice, stop and think.
    .
    Here is the URL for the image, let's see if I can find the website (I was using a proxy so it might not be that easy to do) ...
    .
    https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F236x%2F2c%2Ff0%2F78%2F2cf078d719f13b605d1ab4cdb0f59d78--jesus-pictures-church-architecture.jpg&sp=447a1c7c66355ec21231b76ee03dd29d
    .
    SUCCESS!! HOORAY!!
    .
    The artist, Fred Zavadil, is a wood carver with a very impressive website, and he sells all kind of sculpture so you got lucky!
    As for buying a copy, perhaps Zavadil has it available, since he seems to have a copy protection on this design.
    You'd have to contact him via his website and ask. I don't see any offer of copies for sale there.

    Contact:
    fred.zavadil@gmail.com
    1-519-966-0428
    .
    http://www.fredzavadilwoodcarving.com/religious-sculptures/
    .
    .
    Samples of Fred’s Religious Sculptures and Catholic Statuary
    Basswood statue of Risen Christ (also known as Christus Rex or Christ the King) carved for a cathedral in Pittsburgh. It is about 5 feet tall and it is carved from basswood.
    .
    He managed to convince the customer this was a "Risen Christ" perhaps to fill the order of a resurrectifix, but it's really a Christ the King crucifix.......
    .
    Risen Christ, custom carved sculpture of Christus Rex, stained basswood, religious sculptures by Fred Zavadil
    .
    Detail of the face:
    .
    .
    Looks like Zavadil is a bit of a mixed bag, some of his work is a bit suspicious (Modernist), but he seems to have gotten this one right.
    .
    Check out the rich tones and grain depth in this 5' tall Honduran mahogany corpus (probably $10,000 I would estimate):
    .
    .
    .
    But as josefamenendez pointed out above, the head should be turned to the right, so I'm not convinced this is proper.
    There is something odd about Our Lord's right hand, and the right elbow is bent, as if struggling to escape?
    I would be bothered by the fact that since there is a spear wound on His right side He must have been dead.
    But then how would His right arm be bent -- wouldn't the weight have pulled it straight? Doesn't make sense.
    Sometimes artists let their desire to be creative take charge of the art, and they end up with a clash of principles.
    .
    But the quality of the wood is beyond question, most excellent.
    To obtain this much and this thickness of clear Honduran mahogany would take a special order, and would be $5,000.
    .
    .
    .
    Another one of his works has the left foot on top of the right, which looks weird -- maybe not proper?
    .
    Missing the nails, missing INRI: not good.
    Those could be added, but the left foot is not so simple.
    Moving the right foot to the front might require starting over.
    .
    Come to think of it, the hands are too high for the nails to be easily added.
    They would have to penetrate below the wrists.
    So the entire corpus might have to be moved down 2 or 3 inches.
    .
    A doctor wrote a book on the position of the nails and he said through the palms, close to the wrist
    is the place that makes most sense, not to break bones and to support the weight, but extremely painful,
    since it would go right through or at least bruise the median nerve, the major nerve of the arm.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Markus

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 203
    • Reputation: +102/-36
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #93 on: October 11, 2018, 02:08:29 AM »
  • Thanks!3
  • No Thanks!0
  • What about the devotion to the Child Jesus of Pichincha Mountain?
    It is approved as part of the Our Lady of Good Success apparition.

    Image attached:

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 46380
    • Reputation: +27300/-5043
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #94 on: October 11, 2018, 08:45:19 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • SUCCESS!! HOORAY!!
    .
    The artist, Fred Zavadil, is a wood carver with a very impressive website, and he sells all kind of sculpture so you got lucky!
    As for buying a copy, perhaps Zavadil has it available, since he seems to have a copy protection on this design.
    You'd have to contact him via his website and ask. I don't see any offer of copies for sale there.

    Contact:
    fred.zavadil@gmail.com
    1-519-966-0428
    .
    http://www.fredzavadilwoodcarving.com/religious-sculptures/

    Thank you for looking into this, Neil.

    Probably completely unaffordable for me ... unless I win the lottery.  Everything is custom, so you could probably ask him to alter the design to suit your tastes.  This man is incredibly talented.  I didn't care for his "Pieta" (borderline obscene and not sure why Our Lady is depicted as bald) ... but he has incredible artistic talent.


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 4750
    • Reputation: +2896/-667
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #95 on: June 09, 2019, 09:21:04 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    I was struck immediately by this crucifix, even though it does show Our Lord with regal vestments and a crown not of thorns, and no chest wound. There's something about the whole impression it makes that causes one to look twice, stop and think.
    .
    Good artist however, his Blessed Mother and some other works aren’t too nice
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 4750
    • Reputation: +2896/-667
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #96 on: June 09, 2019, 09:24:37 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Here is one I bought years ago, it’s not as nice as the one above:

    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline klasG4e

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2307
    • Reputation: +1344/-235
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #97 on: June 09, 2019, 01:14:44 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • As an aside, but perhaps somewhat related to this thread: about 14 years ago full body size (and fairly expensive) authentic copies of the Shroud of Turin were donated to STAS in Winona.  Handsome frames were made by Br. Marcel and they were placed within them.  The negative and more highly defined images (front and back) were hung in the hallway leading to the chapel while the regular photographic images (front and back) were hung in the big downstairs classroom/lecture hall.  When STAS moved to its much more spacious quarters in Virginia all these holy and inspiring images were left behind and as far as I know remain left behind to this day.  I wonder why.

    Still at Winona as of about a month ago even though they were donated to and for the seminary!


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 4750
    • Reputation: +2896/-667
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #98 on: June 09, 2019, 01:41:10 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Still at Winona as of about a month ago even though they were donated to and for the seminary!
    That’s a shame. What are they using Winona for now?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline klasG4e

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2307
    • Reputation: +1344/-235
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #99 on: June 09, 2019, 05:25:46 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • That’s a shame. What are they using Winona for now?
    Brothers Novitiate

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 4750
    • Reputation: +2896/-667
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #100 on: June 09, 2019, 05:33:42 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


    Offline The Fact Checker

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 10
    • Reputation: +11/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #101 on: September 21, 2024, 08:38:59 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    The deep incongruity of placing the two together artists call juxtaposition, then they take that and turn it into an artistic expression.
    Artists are constantly groping for the unusual and extreme, to become known for being a pioneer in the art world.
    They have to be careful not to cross the line of decency -- but these days some take extra pride in shocking the viewer.
    .
    It seems to me Newchurch is so afraid of being accused of offending non-Catholics (especially Jєωs) that they make changes.
    They take away traditional Catholic elements of our worship and replace them with what won't offend.
    Read: something that isn't perceived as "anti-Semitic."     
    Jєωs hate the Cross.
    Jєωs hate the Crucifix.
    Jєωs hate Our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Rabbis teach his natural father was a demon and Christ cast out devils by the power of his father, the devil.
    It's in Scripture.
    .
    Well, they can't make Jєωs happy all the time, but to "meet them halfway" they're not averse to taking away the Crucifix.
    They do that by removing the INRI
    (which the Pharisees of Our Lord's time tried to remove but Pilate rejected their appeal. He told them, "What I have written, I have written." Good for him! He stood his ground. Not too surprising for a Roman).
    .
    By removing the INRI they make the thing no longer a Crucifix.
    .
    Any object cursorily looking like a cross, but missing the INRI, is not a Crucifix.
    It stands for "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jєωs," written in Latin, Greek and Hebrew, so everyone could understand it.
    It might seem like a tiny detail, but it is a dealbreaker.
    All crucifixes have the INRI above Our Lord's head or else they're not a crucifix, even if claudel or anyone else says they are.
    Not in Scripture, but in the тαℓмυd. 

    Offline Dominique

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 54
    • Reputation: +46/-10
    • Gender: Female
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #102 on: September 22, 2024, 06:48:21 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Many South American crucifixes show Our Lord dressed.
    I have such a crucifix, given to my parents by an old traditional monk (he used to teach at Ecône). He liked it a lot but he knew people wouldn't... It comes from Mexico.


    Online Seraphina

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3786
    • Reputation: +2779/-249
    • Gender: Female
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #103 on: September 23, 2024, 07:51:22 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Maybe they’d better consult their Best bled.  Christ arose from the tomb, not the Cross.  

    Offline Dominique

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 54
    • Reputation: +46/-10
    • Gender: Female
    Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
    « Reply #104 on: September 24, 2024, 06:58:19 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Maybe they’d better consult their Best bled.  Christ arose from the tomb, not the Cross. 
    Maybe people need to understand some traditions are different to those of their own country... 
    In South America, Confirmation is given straight after baptism, for instance. In France there is something called Solemn Communion in High School. Yet most people don't know anything about these.