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Author Topic: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?  (Read 32607 times)

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Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2018, 12:12:11 PM »
Not even you believe what you defend. Perhaps if you replaced all the traditional crucifixes throughout the world with Christ the King crosses, then I would believe you. I do not know anything about you. I do not know the full spectrum of your Catholicism to speculate as to why you would think as you do. It just looks like you just have a beef against the other gentleman.
"Not even you believe what you defend." You're a clairvoyant, then, I take it—and a patronizing one at that. Or are you practicing the pseudoscience of psychiatry without a license?

"I do not know anything about you." I quite agree. As for the sentence that follows the just-quoted one, it suggests strongly that you should amend your own presumption and intellectual immodesty before you begin speculating about the "full spectrum of [my] Catholicism."

Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2018, 10:54:27 PM »
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I've known Protestants who object to the corpus of Our Lord on the crucifix because they say, "You're crucifying Christ again..." and they refer to Hebrews 6:6, that a crucifix is "...making the Son of God a mockery."
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These anti-Catholics hate the crucifix, and try to find excuses for their hatred in Scripture!!
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But they have no problem with the following:
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No nails, no INRI:  no crucifix.
(There are tiny red marks from the nails, but no spear wound, and obviously, way overboard on the clothes.)
So it's not surprising that someone who HATES crucifixes
is at the same time someone who thinks this is just fine.


Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2018, 11:01:21 PM »
Perhaps if you replaced all the traditional crucifixes throughout the world with  Christ the King crosses, then I would believe you. I do not know anything about you,  I do not know the full spectrum of your Catholicism to speculate as to why you would think as you do. It just looks like you just have a beef against the other gentleman
LT, there is a way to find out about any poster. Just click on their name and all of their posts come up. https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/claudel/

Claudel has a 6 year posting history which shows that he is astute, knowledgeable and doesn't suffer fools gladly.
There is no reason to infer he had any desire to "replace all the traditional crucifixes throughout the world with  Christ the King crosses."

Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2018, 11:11:32 PM »
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Here's one the SSPX overlooked and chose instead the one they did for the classroom:
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I say it's not unreasonable to expect that this would not be acceptable for the NeoSSPX.
Reason being, the INRI above Our Lord's head is offensive to Jews.
Reason being, they REJECT this Jesus Christ as their King.
They want the sign to say, "HE SAID, I am the King of the Jews" (Jn. 19:21).
Simple.

Re: What kind of crucifix is THAT at the SSPX seminary?
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2018, 11:23:04 PM »
The discussion of the artwork and what qualifies as a crucifix aside, I think the original post might be a bit mistaken in the assumptions.

That video was made over 3 years ago, it shows the old seminary, not the new seminary and thus the old conference room in the basement under the chapel (the former bowling alley).

The crucifix/cross/artwork was there since at least 2007 when I remember attending an adult Catechism there on a Sunday. I was told it was a gift of one of the seminary priests to the seminary when the room was converted from the bowling alley into the conference room, so it probably was there earlier than 2007.

I have seen dozens of similar pieces of art in old churches, especially neo-Gothic, Jugendstil-style or Beuronese-style churches, showing Christ the King as High Priest nailed to the Cross in vestments. They were especially common in the early 20th century, particularly the 1930s. Almost every single one, except the more modern ones you can find today, have Our Lord wearing a maniple, so certainly not a post-Vatican II phenomenon. 

I'll leave the definition of what qualifies as a crucifix and what is tasteful art to others, but the history of that piece of artwork of that seems important to point out. It's not at the new seminary, as far as I remember on a tour of it, and at the old seminary it was in that room for at least 10 years before the video was made, so isn't something new.