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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2018, 09:52:19 AM »
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    Note †: You are wearing blinders that prevent you from considering another habit that I've been told Latina mothers teach to daughters; it could be a severe error in treatment of any man who has self-respect, thus killing a romantic relationship that might otherwise lead to a Catholic marriage.  
    I do not understand what you wrote there, please explain it in more detail.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #46 on: March 14, 2018, 10:24:19 AM »
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  • Can't say as I have ever noticed a reluctance to speak about modesty, despite our local priests being transferred every couple years.

    Not saying it couldn't be an issue elsewhere, but we have had 3 priests since mid-2012, and they have all mentioned proper attire at Mass.
    Our priest, we've had for several years, hasn't talked about modesty since he arrived.  The ones prior talked only about female modesty.  It is frustrating to only hear women beaten up.  Men are immodest, too, with their shorts above the knee, no shirts swimming, tight shirts, tight jeans, tight slacks, white slacks.


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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #47 on: March 14, 2018, 10:32:00 AM »
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  • It is frustrating to only hear women beaten up.  Men are immodest, too, with their shorts above the knee, no shirts swimming, tight shirts, tight jeans, tight slacks, white slacks.
    Men's immodesty is more their problem than a temptation for women. It is their problem because they will be tempting effeminate men.

    See the OP:

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    A few months ago I was visiting an SSPX chapel talking to someone outside before mass, when a family walked by us into the chapel. The father, in his 40’s, was wearing skin tight skinny jeans, a t-shirt and sneakers.....I commented to the person I was talking with, that they must be new to tradition, that the priests will teach them. I was told by the person that he doubts it, as that person was visiting from France and was the brother of the chapel prior.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #48 on: March 14, 2018, 10:47:35 AM »
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  • Men's immodesty is more their problem than a temptation for women. It is their problem because they will be tempting effeminate men.

    See the OP:
    You forget that female immodesty tempts both manly men and manly women.  So, too, does male immodesty tempt effeminate men and feminine women.
    Remember that the first time your daughter brings home a potential spouse wearing white slacks or skinny jeans.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #49 on: March 14, 2018, 12:23:03 PM »
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  • Our priest, we've had for several years, hasn't talked about modesty since he arrived.  The ones prior talked only about female modesty.  It is frustrating to only hear women beaten up.  Men are immodest, too, with their shorts above the knee, no shirts swimming, tight shirts, tight jeans, tight slacks, white slacks.
    Down here in the South, I've heard the priests reprimand the men along with the women. It's been stated men should at a minimum wear dress slacks that are loose and not form fitting. Long sleeved shirts are a must if you are an adult and also a pair of black shoes. You can get a cheap pair from Wal-Mart or even find a nice pair at thrift shops, especially the Mexican ones.

    To be honest, I started wearing long sleeved shirts to Mass around 12 or 13 simply BECAUSE it made me feel more like a grown up.

    I don't think I'v ever seen anyone wear white slacks... What's wrong with them? They wouldn't be any different then black ones except for color, no? Maybe I'll google that too.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #50 on: March 14, 2018, 01:29:11 PM »
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  • I don't think I'v ever seen anyone wear white slacks... What's wrong with them? They wouldn't be any different then black ones except for color, no? Maybe I'll google that too.
    Google searches are great for these kinds of questions.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #51 on: March 15, 2018, 04:30:17 AM »
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  • Down here in the South, I've heard the priests reprimand the men along with the women. It's been stated men should at a minimum wear dress slacks that are loose and not form fitting. Long sleeved shirts are a must if you are an adult and also a pair of black shoes. 
    I googled searched but didn't come up with any that were reasonably decent - either too tight, too casual or plain scuffy.
    But why must men wear black shoes?
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #52 on: March 15, 2018, 10:25:19 AM »
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  • I googled searched but didn't come up with any that were reasonably decent - either too tight, too casual or plain scuffy.
    But why must men wear black shoes?
    I guess it's just standard. When someone says "casual" or uses the term "church clothes" that's what comes to mind : Slacks, long sleeved dress-shirt and black dress-shoes. The priest I have in mind probably just said "pair of dress-y shoes" and the idea as I described it was/is probably an error on tge part of my memory... But I know for a fact and remember clear as day that Long sleeves and pants that are not tight are mandatory.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #53 on: March 16, 2018, 10:43:03 AM »
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  • What is this thread about? In short, it is spelled out in the quote below. To the mothers and young girls who have been duped all these years, open your eyes, and see for the first time in your lives, and change your ways or you are doomed to misery the rest of your life.


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    Here is the lesson I teach my daughters from the time they start noticing boys:

    Women erroneously learn from other women that their beauty and value comes from the attraction they can bring to themselves from men. They are taught that the way to attract men is to dress provocatively and to flirt. In poor countries this is the way a woman can become rich overnight, however, it is like the lottery, 99+% of the women  will lose and will spend an entire life of misery, always wondering why they go from man to man, till their grave.

    Once a young girl is infected with this mindset, they are caught for life.

    Practically all women have this decease. It is the foundation of all immodesty and immorality.


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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #54 on: March 16, 2018, 10:13:43 PM »
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  • The problem is that many people would dress modestly only for Sunday Mass. Then, you see the same people during the week dressed as the rest of the secular world (basically in grossly immodest rags). They are practically indistinguishable. Unless the parents insist heavily on keeping the Traditional Catholic modesty standards at home, this seems to be the norm.

    Sermons and dress codes do help, of course; but unless the modesty is practiced and reinforced at home, and since infancy, they will not be sufficient. There needs to be a deep contrast between the standards of the Catholic home, and the worldly fashions, especially nowadays, when society has lost all grip on chastity, decorum, and even reality.  
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    What I have seen happening is children coming to Sunday Mass with their parents, everyone dressed properly, but immediately after Mass some certain children go into the restroom to change into skimpy "play clothes" because they have a specific activity planned shortly. When I asked them or their parents about it they have assured me there's no other place to go for changing unless it's a McDonald's or a gas station and you know what you might find there (bums doing the same thing?). After a few weeks of this it gets more widespread and other children start changing clothes after Mass just for the fun of it.
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    You can be pretty sure they wear the same skimpy "play clothes" all week long.
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    Refused/Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #55 on: March 17, 2018, 05:32:44 PM »
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  • I do not understand what you wrote there, please explain it in more detail.

    For reasons that aren't obvious, your posting from which I extracted your quote above omits my closing sentence in my note as I originally posted it.  Which was not in your "there":


    But it doesn't fit your agenda, and I concede that it would be off-topic.

    Last Tradhican deserves to be commended for accurately crediting my posted words to me with a link to the topic in which I  originally posted them, and then alerting me via private message.  So I'm writing this response merely coldly instead of heatedly & angrily:

    I refuse to accept any kind of obligation to answer any questions about a posting of mine that someone else copied-&-pasted without my permission into any other topic (e.g., this SSPX-focused one) than the one in which I  originally posted it.  It would impose an unwelcome practical requirement on me to spend my own time familiarizing myself with the content of an entirely new sequence of postings in which I had no interest.

    I especially refuse when what was pasted herein was drowned in such a mass of cluelessly excessive formatting that was newly shovelled in by the copying member, like that for which MS-Word has been justifiably criticized [‡].  That being a topic in which I had already clearly written in that same posting that I considered the answer lately sought by Last Tradhican to be off-topic.  And I hate seeing C.I. members derail topics whose scope was clearly delineated and quite satisfactory as originated.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #56 on: March 18, 2018, 01:30:51 PM »
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  • From my real world observations, the Prostitute shoes as mass attire is just the tip of the iceberg, and a big red flag that those wearing them are dressing the rest of the week like everyone in the street, wearing short shorts, spandex leggings as pants, yoga pants, tight blue jeans, tight tank tops with belly exposed.........

    This is what I have personally seen because I see the same people here and there during the week.

    These are the new generation of mothers in the SSPX and their children, mothers under like 45 and their daughters.  
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #57 on: March 18, 2018, 02:46:56 PM »
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  • In addition to what you mentioned above about what you teach your daughters, I tell them that the KIND of man they will "attract" with this type of behavior WILL ultimately make them unhappy.  If they are shallow enough to go after a woman who puts herself on display like that, you need only wait until you get a bit older or put on some weight (perhaps from having babies), and this guy, once he finds you less physically attractive, will likely move on to someone younger and prettier and, I can add, with this thread, whose prostitute heels are just a little bit taller than yours.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #58 on: March 21, 2018, 09:21:32 AM »
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  • From my real world observations, the Prostitute shoes as mass attire is just the tip of the iceberg, and a big red flag that those wearing them are dressing the rest of the week like everyone in the street, wearing short shorts, spandex leggings as pants, yoga pants, tight blue jeans, tight tank tops with belly exposed.........

    This is what I have personally seen because I see the same people here and there during the week.

    These are the new generation of mothers in the SSPX and their children, mothers under like 45 and their daughters.  
    I have never heard an SSPX priest speak about this problem and if I see "the same people" during the week, the priests see them too. I am  talking here about what these female parishioners are wearing all week outside of mass, and the priests see it the same as I do. Not a word from the pulpit ever.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #59 on: March 21, 2018, 10:15:42 AM »
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  • I have never heard an SSPX priest speak about this problem and if I see "the same people" during the week, the priests see them too. I am  talking here about what these female parishioners are wearing all week outside of mass, and the priests see it the same as I do. Not a word from the pulpit ever.
    Same here at my local SSPX parish. Is silence approval? Or is silence due to fear? Or is this the price of wanting to be regularized (no longer condemning common sin)? It seems like the SSPX is trying to keep silent so as immodesty becomes a custom, and then they can say "custom is the norm". If they want to prove me wrong, then enforce the modesty standards!