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Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2018, 02:56:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on February 07, 2018, 01:14:09 PM
    The problem is that many people would dress modestly only for Sunday Mass. Then, you see the same people during the week dressed as the rest of the secular world (basically in grossly immodest rags). They are practically indistinguishable. Unless the parents insist heavily on keeping the Traditional Catholic modesty standards at home, this seems to be the norm.

    Sermons and dress codes do help, of course; but unless the modesty is practiced and reinforced at home, and since infancy, they will not be sufficient. There needs to be a deep contrast between the standards of the Catholic home, and the worldly fashions, especially nowadays, when society has lost all grip on chastity, decorum, and even reality.  
    I remember I found some videos on youtube of the nearby sspx chapel I was anticipating going to.  They were good videos shot during mass of the chant and so on, and the young lady talked so highly of the sspx and the latin mass.  But, then she also had videos on her channel of her promoting and doing those high speed bun burning ab crunching beach bod workouts with techno music while in spandex.  I guess she is a good example of this hypocrisy.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #16 on: February 07, 2018, 03:08:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on February 07, 2018, 02:40:06 PM
    Many people tune out sermons.

    I find not only clothing to be a problem but also hair color, makeup, Jєωelry, and language.  I lump it all together in the term "immodesty".

    Causes:
    TV
    Fashion
    Parents wanting to be friends to their children
    Sunday only Catholics
    $$ (donations may fall)
    Social media (have you SEEN the photos some post?)
    Vulgar talk between boys
    Testosterone


    I would not blame the problem of immodesty to testosterone levels!

    If anything, it is the fall of the patriarchal system and the rise of Feminism which is cause for it. Under the patriarchal system, when girls were passed from fathers to husbands, loose women were seen of practically no value. They were shamed and completely ostracized from polite society. No decent girl wanted to be seen as a harlot, good for nothing but the temporal (and very momentary) release of men's lust. Girls were taught that their precious value was directly connected to their chastity. They were taught by the men in their lives to value themselves.

    The role models for girls have drastically shifted in the last decades and add to this the epidemy of single motherhood (so not longer men are teaching but only foolish women are passing their errors for four generations now):

    Patriarchy = women's role model was that of a chaste and virtuous woman, capable of bringing and nurturing children, and taking good care of husband and household.

    Feminism = women's role model is the empowered, "strong and independent", masculinized slut who is in charge of her body and sɛҳuąƖity (meaning having license to sleep around recklessly, get rid of unwanted pregnancies, and dress herself as not even prostitutes of the past would have dreamed of). No worth at all in that.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #17 on: February 07, 2018, 03:19:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on February 07, 2018, 01:27:56 PM
    It is a lifelong fight for the father with his wife and daughters, more so with the wife because she is already infected with the decease.
    Your statement, right there, may be the root of the entire problem.

    Why would a Catholic man marry such a woman?


    If men wouldn't marry such ladies, there would be no fight between husband and wife over immodesty.  There are plenty of modest girls to consider.  The young men need to keep their testosterone in check and make marriage a project to solve, looking at the pros and cons of the available candidates, taking the counsel of his parents and spiritual advisor.  

    if more young men behaved this way towards marriage perhaps young ladies would become more humble and modest than the next young lady.  Wouldn't THAT be something?!
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #18 on: February 07, 2018, 05:05:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on February 07, 2018, 01:14:09 PM
    The problem is that many people would dress modestly only for Sunday Mass. Then, you see the same people during the week dressed as the rest of the secular world (basically in grossly immodest rags). They are practically indistinguishable. Unless the parents insist heavily on keeping the Traditional Catholic modesty standards at home, this seems to be the norm.

    Sermons and dress codes do help, of course; but unless the modesty is practiced and reinforced at home, and since infancy, they will not be sufficient. There needs to be a deep contrast between the standards of the Catholic home, and the worldly fashions, especially nowadays, when society has lost all grip on chastity, decorum, and even reality.  
    Exactly this. I know of several young women who wear pants during the week, and skirts for Sunday morning. I know of at least one who is married, obviously it doesn’t bother her husband whether she dresses like a man or not. My wife neither desires that look like a man, and neither do I. I married a WOMAN after all. I see these women around wearing jeans, and near buzz cut short hair, and what man honestly would be attracted to a women who looks like a man?
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #19 on: February 07, 2018, 05:55:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on February 07, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
    It is a lifelong fight for the father with his wife and daughters, more so with the wife because she is already infected with the decease.

    Your statement, right there, may be the root of the entire problem. Why would a Catholic man marry such a woman?

    If men wouldn't marry such ladies, there would be no fight between husband and wife over immodesty.  There are plenty of modest girls to consider.  The young men need to keep their testosterone in check and make marriage a project to solve, looking at the pros and cons of the available candidates, taking the counsel of his parents and spiritual advisor.  

    if more young men behaved this way towards marriage perhaps young ladies would become more humble and modest than the next young lady.  Wouldn't THAT be something?!
    The root of the problem is that the mothers and daughters have been taught that the way to attract men is to dress provocatively and to flirt, that their beauty and worth are judged by the men they entice. That system works in the world because men are easily attracted, however, it is another thing to keep them.

    Suffice it to say that a man will go with a light socket, if it solves his problem, his attraction has nothing to do with beauty. Fathers need to teach this to their daughters, but scarcely any will, because they do not see a problem in the mindset that the way to attract men is to dress provocatively and to flirt . Priests today are no different, they do not see a problem.

    Why do men marry such women? They marry them because they are ignorant and they do not see a problem, they are blind just like the mothers and daughters, this is the way it has always been in the world.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #20 on: February 07, 2018, 06:07:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on February 07, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
    There are plenty of modest girls to consider.  
    There are plenty of girls around a church that act immodest. 

    Anyhow, it is God who sends us our wives and husbands, all we have to do is take care of our souls and let God sort the other part out for us.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #21 on: February 07, 2018, 09:07:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on February 07, 2018, 06:07:28 PM
    There are plenty of girls around a church that act immodest.

    Anyhow, it is God who sends us our wives and husbands, all we have to do is take care of our souls and let God sort the other part out for us.
    This is true.  And I must say it is embarrassing to all females!
    But it has to start somewhere.  Perhaps with parents stepping up to the plate and keeping their children away from families with floosies?  My children now know how to spot a floosie and a loser and stay away.
    And maybe with the fine young men looking for fine young ladies and not settling for anyone less?  After all, there are more choices for the men than there are for the ladies.
    Are you sure we always cooperate with God's plan for us?  Do you think God wants fine young men marrying floosies, or fine young ladies marrying losers?  Does that help our souls?  I don't think it does...
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #22 on: February 07, 2018, 11:01:02 PM »
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 01:19:42 AM »
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    • FYI - your "slacks" picture isn't an SSPX church, it's NO.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #24 on: February 08, 2018, 01:32:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on February 08, 2018, 01:19:42 AM
    FYI - your "slacks" picture isn't an SSPX church, it's NO.
    Thank you.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 03:47:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on February 07, 2018, 09:07:02 PM
    But it has to start somewhere.  Perhaps with parents stepping up to the plate and keeping their children away from families with floosies?  My children now know how to spot a floosie and a loser and stay away.
    It has to start with recognizing the error that females have been taught by the world to gage their own beauty and worth by the response of men to them. It has to start with recognizing that attracting men by dressing provocatively, flirting, and more will only lead to a life of being passed on from one man to another (the proof is all around and among us). 

    It is the duty of the parents to teach this to their children. It is the duty of the priests to teach this to the parents. 

    How is it applied in detail?  - As you said, one way is to keep the boys and girls away from the families with "floosies". There are many other ways, because the devil has many years of experience attacking the family fort. The fort the parents build up has to be complete and constantly guarded, monitored, adjusted and improved. A fort with four high thick walls, and a draw bridge, is useless if the gate is left open. Following the nanalogy, I believe that most "trad" parents have a fort with three walls.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #26 on: February 08, 2018, 03:56:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on February 07, 2018, 09:07:02 PM
    Anyhow, it is God who sends us our wives and husbands, all we have to do is take care of our souls and let God sort the other part out for us.

    Are you sure we always cooperate with God's plan for us?  Do you think God wants fine young men marrying floosies, or fine young ladies marrying losers?  Does that help our souls?  I don't think it does...
    Of course God would not send us a floosy, they are of the devil. The point I was making was that God always sends us what is best for us, we just have to take care of our souls and not worry about "finding a mate" and forcing the process. Sometimes, the best for the soul is no marriage, specially today.  
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #27 on: February 08, 2018, 04:02:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on February 07, 2018, 11:01:02 PM
    I did a little research. What is immodest dress to the sspx clergy? Apparently not these:
    Excellent contribution, a picture is worth a thousand words. Thanks!
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #28 on: February 08, 2018, 05:09:26 AM »
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    • In France, it is not better than what you are describing here: most women wear skirts above the knee, in a standing position. Now, it goes without saying that Christian and natural modesty is much more demanding. Women have to wear skirts that cover the knee in the seated position.

    One day, a Capuchin of Morgon was present in the chapel where I use to attend Mass, and he made the remark to some faithful, because he had noticed the immodesty of dresses. Sadly, the same can be said of all other chapels.

    Those girls remind me of my pagan past, when I made bodybuilding and wore skin-tight clothes to show my muscles. The first difference is that I was a pagan while they claim to be Catholics, and the second difference is that it is much easier for a woman to attract men than the opposite...
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #29 on: February 08, 2018, 05:12:53 AM »
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    There are plenty of modest girls to consider.


    Most of the time, there is barely a single young woman wearing a decent dress. At least it is my experience here in France.
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