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What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
« on: February 07, 2018, 10:42:26 AM »
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  • What is Immodest Dress to SSPX clergy?

    In 8 years at my SSPX chapel, I have not heard a peep or a sermon about immodest dress as the young girls in the parish have become women during those years and matured physically. A 3 to 9 old girl in short shorts, spandex leggings or yoga pants, skinny jeans, tennis skirt, or bikini is not the same as a 16 year old wearing them. Yet parents see nothing wrong with their 3-9 year olds wearing all or any of those immodest outfits in public. What is going to happen when they mature, are they magically going to stop wearing revealing clothing? Well, they will not, as their own parents bought them those clothes when they were children,  the parents do no see anything wrong with those clothes and so the teens continue the trend, eventually becoming parents of the future SSPXers.

    Of course, the teens do not wear those clothes to the SSPX chapel, but they will wear other provocative clothes which of course their parents do not see anything wrong with. They will “stretch the rules”, by wearing skin tight dresses that cover down to above the knee, with barely  a sleeve, actually sleeveless plus 1”. They wear this skin tight t-shirts and   sweaters, anything to reveal. Anything to reveal, because that is what they have learned from their parents is the way to attract men.

    Where are the sermons from the SSPX priests? ZERO.

    A few months ago I was visiting an SSPX chapel talking to someone outside before mass, when a family walked by us into the chapel. The father, in his 40’s, was wearing skin tight skinny jeans, a t-shirt and sneakers, the mother, same age, was wearing a denim miniskirt, t-shirt and sneakers, and the 18 year old daughter was in a mini-skirt  and tank top with the belly exposed. I commented to the person I was talking with, that they must be new to tradition, that the priests will teach them. I was told by the person that he doubts it, as that was the brother of the chapel prior who was visiting from France.

    Here is the lesson I teach my daughters from the time they start noticing boys:

    Women erroneously learn from other women that their beauty and value comes from the attraction they can bring to themselves from men. They are taught that the way to attract men is to dress provocatively and to flirt. In poor countries this is the way a woman can become rich overnight, however, it is like the lottery, 99+% of the women  will lose and will spend an entire life of misery, always wondering why they go from man to man, till their grave.

    Once a young girl is infected with this mindset, they are caught for life.

    Practically all women have this decease. It is the foundation of all immodesty and immorality.

    Those that have eyes to see, let them see.


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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 11:05:23 AM »
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  • Your daughters are very blessed for having their father teaching them about life.

    The true value of a woman is intrinsically connected to her chastity.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #2 on: February 07, 2018, 12:12:04 PM »
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  • While I haven’t heard a direct sermon on modesty from an SSPX priest, the priest emailed all parents regarding the dress of girls period, which has been quite poor. They’ve also published dress codes in the bulletins and mentioned it in sermons. 

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 12:25:07 PM »
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  • Is there not a dress code guide posted on the doors of the chapel?   There was at the chapel I went to. 
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 12:59:00 PM »
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  • In my experience, the people in the SSPX are not too different in certain ways from the rest of the secular world. And many of these are now in the "Resistance" as well. The older priests have given sermons about it, both when in and then out of the SSPX, but many people do not pay attention to the priests soft chidding.

    I also think it is mainly the fault of the fathers, it seems to me that some just don't know how to deal with their girls, or tend to spoil them outright. Soft sermons are not going to help either, you have to tell the girl AND the parents that certain things are not acceptable.
      I remember one Sunday we had a certain visiting priest and he got on the subject of what is propper dress. After Mass one of the older girls said "I didn't know short sleeves were a problem?" (I mean the sort of 'half-short sleeve' on some cotton shirts for females). And all I could think to myself was "How could you not know? Did you really not understand what the priest were saying in their sermons over the past X number of years?" As said before, sometimes you just have to be blunt. And I think sometimes this is especially true with some teenagers.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2018, 01:01:11 PM »
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  • Is there not a dress code guide posted on the doors of the chapel?   There was at the chapel I went to.
    Yes  there is a dress code, but it means nothing unless it is enforced and people are taught what it means by examples. The dress code in the church really means nothing, if parents and their children do not live it outside of the church in the world. A woman can dress perfectly for mass for 2 hours on Sunday then go all week in short shorts, yoga pants, bikini top etc. Also, a person could dress perfectly all the time and still be a flirt and loose with morals.

    It is all a package, not just about the dress code posted on the wall at a church.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #6 on: February 07, 2018, 01:10:21 PM »
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  • I also think it is mainly the fault of the fathers,
    It is not the fathers that teach the girls that their beauty and self esteem comes from getting the attention of boys, it is the mothers that pass this error on. Men always tend to blame themselves and in this case, they are secondarily at fault for not correcting the lie.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #7 on: February 07, 2018, 01:14:09 PM »
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  • Is there not a dress code guide posted on the doors of the chapel?   There was at the chapel I went to.

    The problem is that many people would dress modestly only for Sunday Mass. Then, you see the same people during the week dressed as the rest of the secular world (basically in grossly immodest rags). They are practically indistinguishable. Unless the parents insist heavily on keeping the Traditional Catholic modesty standards at home, this seems to be the norm.

    Sermons and dress codes do help, of course; but unless the modesty is practiced and reinforced at home, and since infancy, they will not be sufficient. There needs to be a deep contrast between the standards of the Catholic home, and the worldly fashions, especially nowadays, when society has lost all grip on chastity, decorum, and even reality.  
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #8 on: February 07, 2018, 01:23:42 PM »
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  • It is not the fathers that teach the girls that their beauty and self esteem comes from getting the attention of boys, it is the mothers that pass this error on. Men always tend to blame themselves and in this case, they are secondarily at fault for not correcting the lie.

    That may be so, but I have met girls who put importance on what their father thinks/says. Even my own mother was such a girl in her youth. If a father would simply say "You shouldn't do that for X reason", I think it would make a difference. My own father would simply say "Your skirt is too short" and for the most part my sisters don't wear inappropriate things unless it's maybe all they have for the moment - even then it just comes above the knee.
      Maybe other girls are not so... fillial? But I'm certain that amongst those I know, things would be different if the father(s) would just say something.

    Education amongst Trads is seriously lacking on all sides.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #9 on: February 07, 2018, 01:24:05 PM »
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  • The problem is that many people would dress modestly only for Sunday Mass. Then, you see the same people during the week dressed as the rest of the secular world (basically in grossly immodest rags). They are practically indistinguishable. Unless the parents insist heavily on keeping the Traditional Catholic modesty standards at home, this seems to be the norm.

    Sermons and dress codes do help, of course; but unless the modesty is practiced and reinforced at home, and since infancy, they will not be sufficient. There needs to be a deep contrast between the standards of the Catholic home, and the worldly fashions, especially nowadays, when society has lost all grip on chastity, decorum, and even reality.  
    Exactly. Do not expect a 1/2 hour sermon on Sunday to change a life that spends 167.5 hours a week in a home that allows immodest dressing and flirting to attract men.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 01:27:56 PM »
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  • Last Tradhican wrote: It is not the fathers that teach the girls that their beauty and self esteem comes from getting the attention of boys, it is the mothers that pass this error on. Men always tend to blame themselves and in this case, they are secondarily at fault for not correcting the lie.

    That may be so, but I have met girls who put importance on what their father thinks/says. Even my own mother was such a girl in her youth. If a father would simply say "You shouldn't do that for X reason", I think it would make a difference. My own father would simply say "Your skirt is too short" and for the most part my sisters don't wear inappropriate things unless it's maybe all they have for the moment - even then it just comes above the knee.
      Maybe other girls are not so... fillial? But I'm certain that amongst those I know, things would be different if the father(s) would just say something.

    Education amongst Trads is seriously lacking on all sides.
    I did not excuse the fathers, you are correct 100%. What I stressed is the it is the mothers that TEACH the error, the lie to the girls. The father must correct the mother before the children are old enough to hear. It is a lifelong fight for the father with his wife and daughters, more so with the wife because she is already infected with the decease.  It is up to the father to teach his girls that self esteem and beauty comes from within and not from the reaction of men to them.
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #11 on: February 07, 2018, 01:39:25 PM »
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    It is a lifelong fight for the father with his wife and daughters, more so with the wife because she is already infected with the decease.  It is up to the father to teach his girls that self esteem and beauty comes from within and not from the reaction of men to them.
    If it is a lifelong battle for the fathers of the family, it is also a lifelong fight for the priests who oversee the spiritual lives of families. What does it matter if a father or a priest teaches from the mountain tops that the Vatican II church is of the devil, the popes are imposters and the Novus Ordo is a false "mass", if the daughters lose their souls because they were infected with the decease that their self esteem and beauty comes from the reaction of men to them?

    One sermon a year just won't do it.

    Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)
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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #12 on: February 07, 2018, 01:40:03 PM »
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  • The problem is that many people would dress modestly only for Sunday Mass. Then, you see the same people during the week dressed as the rest of the secular world (basically in grossly immodest rags). They are practically indistinguishable. Unless the parents insist heavily on keeping the Traditional Catholic modesty standards at home, this seems to be the norm.

    Sermons and dress codes do help, of course; but unless the modesty is practiced and reinforced at home, and since infancy, they will not be sufficient. There needs to be a deep contrast between the standards of the Catholic home, and the worldly fashions, especially nowadays, when society has lost all grip on chastity, decorum, and even reality.  
    Bingo!

    If the father of the home is not teaching and enforcing the rule, all corrections outside the home will go unheeded... 

    And, more importantly, the men of today are slobs... If the father doesn't behave in an exemplary manner, his children will follow his bad examples, regardless of what priests and others may say or demonstrate outside the home.

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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #13 on: February 07, 2018, 02:40:06 PM »
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  • Many people tune out sermons.

    I find not only clothing to be a problem but also hair color, makeup, jewelry, and language.  I lump it all together in the term "immodesty".

    Causes:
    TV
    Fashion
    Parents wanting to be friends to their children
    Sunday only Catholics
    $$ (donations may fall)
    Social media (have you SEEN the photos some post?)
    Vulgar talk between boys
    Testosterone

    Solutions:
    Parents step up to the plate and do their job
    Parents not pay for immodesty
    Parents not allow immodest items in their home
    Cut off TV
    Cut off social media
    Teach boys propriety

    Parents of proper children should keep their children away from such immodest people and their families.

    A priest is not a parent.  It is NOT his job.
    However, as a last resort, a priest could refuse Holy Communion to such females since, by their actions, they clearly lead others to sin.  One priest did at one chapel I attended, and the fashions changed overnight.


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    Re: What is Immodest Dress to the SSPX Clergy?
    « Reply #14 on: February 07, 2018, 02:54:09 PM »
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    A priest is not a parent.  It is NOT his job.
    I agree with what you wrote except I disagree with this part above, for it is ALSO his job. 
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