A couple points:

1) I'm not certain what the correct answer is for the 1962 rubrics because I use the pre-1955 Breviary, but in the pre-1955 the Immaculate Conception (a Double of the 1st Class Feast according to the pre-55 ranks of feastdays) outranks the Second Sunday of Advent (which is a non-privileged semi-double), and the Second Sunday of Advent is commemorated with its own Collect, Secret, and Postcommunion at Mass that day. The Gospel of the Second Sunday of Advent will also be the proper Last Gospel that day, displacing the prologue of St. John.

2) The Immaculate Conception is the same rank throughout the universal Church, if I am not mistaken. THat feast being the patronal feast day of the US did not affect that, it just affected that in the US it's a Holy Day of Obligation whereas in other countries it's not.

3) I think the confusion is just that. My SSPX priest last week was confused about it too, but he looked at the Ordo and it says to celebrate the Immaculate Conception so that's what he is going to do. it's possible the Ordo is wrong rubrically without being malicious. Once in a while I find mistakes in the two pre-1955 Ordos that I use too, so it's not impossible the Ordo is just incorrect.

My "Cristo Rey Church" calendar (SAJM) shows Immaculate Conception on Dec. 8, with a commemoration of the Sunday. My wife checked her Fr. Lacance Missal (1947) and it shows that the Immaculate Conception outranks the 2nd Sunday of Advent.

Thanks to cath4ever and VeritasLuxMea for their helpful references.

On the basis of these and other informed comments, I hope that SJ will consider backing away from his ill-founded insults above. He has written and done many admirable things, but the tone and remarks in this thread do him no credit.

Hello Claudel-

“On the basis of these and other informed comments,” I hope you, Cath4ever, and VeritasLux will read more carefully in the future, as my final post in this thread had already conceded the point on the previous page.

As for any insults, they exist solely in your own mind.

Sean,

I would point out you said that the SSPX priest uses the pre-1960 Breviary and rubrics for his office. If so, he's still wrong. In the pre-1960 rubrics the Sundays of Advent are Semidoubles (equivalent of II or III Class in 1960). The Immaculate Conception is a Double of the First Class. That means the Immaculate Conception in that schema takes the Sunday.

In fact the 1960 rubrics elevate these Sundays. So no matter which code you use the Second Sunday of Advent this year is replaced by the Immaculate Conception and the Sunday is commemorated.

The only people who are transferring the Immaculate Conception are the Modernists.

And no, in that previous post did not concede the point (which concession seems to exist in your own mind), you simply argued that the SSPX was adopting some "Modernist" exception in keeping the feast on this day. That's not a concession, that just bitterness. And it's also incorrect.

If you want to argue that SSPX priests don't know their missal, that's between you and them.

If you want to argue that I did not concede the argument, that is between you and yourself.

Sean,

I would point out you said that the SSPX priest uses the pre-1960 Breviary and rubrics for his office. If so, he's still wrong. In the pre-1960 rubrics the Sundays of Advent are Semidoubles (equivalent of II or III Class in 1960). The Immaculate Conception is a Double of the First Class. That means the Immaculate Conception in that schema takes the Sunday.

In fact the 1960 rubrics elevate these Sundays. So no matter which code you use the Second Sunday of Advent this year is replaced by the Immaculate Conception and the Sunday is commemorated.

The only people who are transferring the Immaculate Conception are the Modernists.

And no, in that previous post did not concede the point (which concession seems to exist in your own mind), you simply argued that the SSPX was adopting some "Modernist" exception in keeping the feast on this day. That's not a concession, that just bitterness. And it's also incorrect.

This is correct. Other examples of the pre-1962 Ordo:

On Sunday September 8th, the Mass of The Nativity of the BVM (d2cl) was offered and the 13th Sunday after Pentecost was commemorated and the Gospel of St. John replaced with the Gospel for the 13th Sunday after Pentecost and the Mass for the 13th Sunday was celebrated on the next Ferial Day (Sept. 13th).

On Sunday September 15th, the Mass of the Seven Sorrows of the BVM (d2cl) was offered and the 14th Sunday after Pentecost commemorated and the Gospel of St. John replaced by the Gospel of the 14th Sunday after Pent.

On Sunday September 29th, the Mass of the Dedication of St. Michael the Archangel (d1cl) was offered and the 16th Sunday after Pentecost commemorated with the Gospel of the 16th Sunday replacing the Gospel of St. John.

On Sunday June 24th 2018, The Mass of The Nativity of St. John The Baptist (d1cl) was offered and the 5th Sunday after Pentecost commemorated...

This is not correct.

In the immemorial Roman rite, the feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a Double of the First Class with a common Octave. The feast takes precedence over the second Sunday of Advent. The feast has a Vigil where it is commemorated in the Office of St. Ambrose. A detained history of the liturgical changes is available from "Rubricium," the owner of St. Lawrence Press that publishes the traditional Ordo, who said:

“In the 'liturgical books of 1962' the feast has been stripped of both its Vigil and Octave. At Compline and the Hours the Doxology is not changed and the hymns are not sung to the melody for hymns of the Incarnation. At Prime the lectio brevis is of the season, Domine, miserere. At Mass the last Gospel is In principio. In the stage of the modernist reform immediately prior to the 'liturgical books of 1962', 1956-1960, the feast did not take precedence over a Sunday and so was moved to Monday, 9th December, as was the case in 1957.” (https://ordorecitandi.blogspot.com/)

Those who use the 1962 Indult Bugnini transitional Missal will (should) not celebrate the feast of the Immaculate Conception on Sunday, but translate the feast to Monday. They will also have no vigil, and therefore no day of fast and abstinence, and no octave celebrated. I agree that the "only people who are transferring the Immaculate Conception are the Modernists," but that includes those communities using the 1962 Bugnini transitional Missal who therefore regard the liturgy as a matter of mere discipline disregarding its dogmatic foundations.  

Drew

Wait...So I should not have conceded, and the SSPX priest using the older breviary/missal is right (and the SSPX is wrong) after all??