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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: sentience in exile on February 12, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
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Basically this is my poll to do a survey of what Resistance people think.
Long story short:
Fr Walliez banned me after I developed a relapse of a mental illness because I was becoming very strange and obsessed with harsh penances. People were afraid I was suicidal.
So he banned me for this, and also for my angry reaction to one woman who phoned me to threaten to lock me into a mental hospital and throw away the key. I just snapped because of it.
There was also the issue of abnormal concern over a nun who attended out chapel who also works as a masseur, which I exposed, and which was the reason for penance for her.
Then Fr Griego replaces Walliez, and he makes absolutely no effort to reach out to me.
Whenever I called their churches to beg for the sacrament of confession genuinely,
the priests would put the phone down until I run out of credit.
I was treated like a piece of scuм by them, which shocked me, because I had gone to a chapel every day and prayed from 7am - 7pm and was their only server.
I was shocked at how they all turned on me, but not surprised anymore.
Eventually, because I had no Mass I could attend, or no traditional confessions,
I suffered a nervous breakdown, attempted ѕυιcιdє, and stopped practicing my religion.
Then I started to investigate the Eastern Orthodox, until some good woman talked me back into being a Catholic again despite what happened.
The current situation is that I am allowed attend a chapel 5 hours travel away,
but I am not allowed near the nearest chapel.
Also, I will say that, and it should be obvious to all, that some people hated me with a passion,
and that there were many lies told about me and efforts to lock me up for things I did not do.
Fr Griego believes everything these people tell him, but Im afraid if anyone has lost touch with reality, it is Fr Griego whose sense of self importance is like an aura.
There is nothing wrong with my mental health now, thanks to measures which I dont want to discuss, but that is beside the point. I mean come on, the priests of the SSPX should be able to deal with someone having a nervous breakdown at their chapel, and the last thing they should do is treat them in such a way as would cause them to look back on it and consider that they treated me like something they stepped on. The ban from mass and sacraments means I have missed all holy days, missed Christmas, I will miss easter, and if I want to go to traditional confession I cant, because I have no time anymore with other things.
So what do people think of this?
I mean does the SSPX forgive and forget? Or do they hold bitter grudges for a life time?
Look, I need the Mass and the Sacraments.
I have had a hard enough time as it is. All I want is God and to be Catholic.
If anyone agrees or has sympathy with me, please vote in the last option which says that Griego was a bit too harsh on me, and that 8 month ban should raise some serious questions as to whether he even gives a damn about saving souls who happen to be poor / ill.
And yes I made a grovelling apology to Fr Griego in writing and in person before,
and confessed anything wrong I done. I offered to work with him on many issues,
but he basically acts as if I am the scuм of the earth and thinks he is better off without me.
I dont class myself as a supporter of either SSPX or Resistance.
All I wanted was the old fashioned Catholicism. Not interested in politics.
Thanks for reading.
PS: I wont make a habit of posting on this forum. Not my thing.
But I wonder how people take what happened.
I hope I do not receive any personal attacks. People should move on.
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Ps: Health is not an issue anymore. But I think some peoples genuineness is an issue.
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One thing I want to say before anybody posts, is that whatever I done at the chapel ( which was not that big a deal anyway to most people ) I am sorry for.
But basically I only want the Latin Mass and the sacraments. Thats it.
People said to me before about the Catholics in Japan having no priests,
let me tell you that if you are deep into religion, and all of a sudden get told that they are all hypocrites ( or so you interpret it ) you lose it, plain and simple.
Thank God for the one devout and very good and beautiful woman, who put up with a lot of shit form me for months, who reached out to me to bring me back to the church.
She can only do so much though. Thanks to her I pray again, but I go to the novus ordo as a substitute ( which took a long time to accept as permitted for a conservative Catholic ).
If anyone wants to pray, ask God to help the woman who helped me.
She remains nameless. I blame no one, but this general way Fr Griego runs the SSPX,
as with Fr Walliez before him, needs to be exposed.
They run the chapels like a private club for the minority of benefactors.
I have no money so I depend on mercy.
Thats all.
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We remember you, soulguard and whatever was your previous name. I remember specially your foul language and your detestation for the Holy infant of Prague and for the Resistance. I hope you improve. I will gladly pray for you. But ask yourself why is it that you get banned from everywhere.
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We remember you, soulguard and whatever was your previous name. I remember specially your foul language and your detestation for the Holy infant of Prague and for the Resistance. I hope you improve. I will gladly pray for you. But ask yourself why is it that you get banned from everywhere.
You got the reason whoever you are. The reason was mentioned in the first post mentioning mental illness. I guess lots of people do not tolerate it, but now that the issue is resolved,
maybe the thing to do now is look at how you people responded to it.
The lay woman throwing me out of church by herself after Fr De Broque told me I had permission to attend mass, and then her slamming the door and locking it, while I offered no resistance whatsoever, is not what I think of when I think of Catholicism.
Her threats against me. Her daily bullying tactics saying I was making too much noise walking into church and to walk on my tippey toes? Her leaving of threatening notes in the chapel bookshelf anonymously? Her calling the police on me for things that either did not happen or that she done herself? Her breaking of her own window and then implying to everyone that I done it, even when I can be proven to have been elsewhere whenever it happened? People impersonating me on the internet?
Other people should be confronted.
Being banned from this forum is totally irrelevant.
I dont care about that, I care about having no confessions or mass.
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It sounds complicated. I suggest that you visit a sede priest near you, and just see what he has to say. Send what you wrote here to him first, and then make an appointment. You don't have to sign up for anything when you visit him.
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It sounds complicated. I suggest that you visit a sede priest near you, and just see what he has to say. Send what you wrote here to him first, and then make an appointment. You don't have to sign up for anything when you visit him.
I do not know of any sede priests in this country.
Maybe you could suggest a location in private message just in case?
Yes it is complicated, and very personal and hurtful to talk about for all who know me.
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How about considering spending some time at a Monastery?
If your wants are simple and consist of mass, sacraments and time with God that might be the ticket.
You can immerse yourself in the rhythm of that life, balance your health, work, study and prayer.
Lots of controlled silence, less chit chat, focusing on the work at hand, attaining sanctity for your soul and praying in the monastery for the Church and people that won't get too involved with you personally.
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How about considering spending some time at a Monastery?
If your wants are simple and consist of mass, sacraments and time with God that might be the ticket.
You can immerse yourself in the rhythm of that life, balance your health, work, study and prayer.
Lots of controlled silence, less chit chat, focusing on the work at hand, attaining sanctity for your soul and praying in the monastery for the Church and people that won't get too involved with you personally.
I dont have a religious vocation owing to disability, but as a sort of holiday, maybe it is a good idea. Except I cant with college taking up time.
PS: I just checked the private message function. I cannot read them unless I am an established member unfortunately. But I dont plan on staying on this forum too long anyway.
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Correction: I may have voted by mistake, since I see that I don't have the option of voting now. Maybe Matthew can check and undo what I did -if I did it.
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It's possible that this priest believes your temporary banishment is for your own good. If he's wrong about that, wouldn't it be on him, not you? Besides, if you really are mentally ill, wouldn't that relieve you of your Holy Obligations to hear Mass? Surely your banishment would, no?
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But I dont plan on staying on this forum too long anyway.
Good--don't let the door hit you in the @$$.
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My point is that (unless I'm missing something) you needn't worry about being in mortal sin. Other people's sins are their business. It makes no sense to me to post on a forum you've been banished from. If you only want sympathy, and I don't blame you if that's the case, this seems like a disastrous way to go about it. :pray:
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One thing I want to say before anybody posts, is that whatever I done at the chapel ( which was not that big a deal anyway to most people ) I am sorry for.
But basically I only want the Latin Mass and the sacraments. Thats it.
People said to me before about the Catholics in Japan having no priests,
let me tell you that if you are deep into religion, and all of a sudden get told that they are all hypocrites ( or so you interpret it ) you lose it, plain and simple.
Thank God for the one devout and very good and beautiful woman, who put up with a lot of shit form me for months, who reached out to me to bring me back to the church.
She can only do so much though. Thanks to her I pray again, but I go to the novus ordo as a substitute ( which took a long time to accept as permitted for a conservative Catholic ).
If anyone wants to pray, ask God to help the woman who helped me.
She remains nameless. I blame no one, but this general way Fr Griego runs the SSPX,
as with Fr Walliez before him, needs to be exposed.
They run the chapels like a private club for the minority of benefactors.
I have no money so I depend on mercy.
Thats all.
Poor pitiful TCat/soulguard/sentience in exile--you're victim card must be getting quite tattered by now.
Seems like you've been victimized on previous occasions:
Some of you would do the same thing. After all, how many of you ridiculed me without shame for having a disability? This forum is full of pharisees who ignore the first and second commandments of the new law. People think all they need to know is doctrine off by heart, but that is wrong, because you need to love the faith, and you love the faith by loving your neighbour.
Especially I blame claudel neil obstat crossbro ohca zeitun black irish
These people are false Catholics. Pharisees with a plank in their eye.
Go suffer for the Lord and then come back and apologize to me, before you call yourself a Catholic.
I don't know whether or not your piss-poor musings are the result of whatever "disability" you incessantly refer to. But as far as specifically attacking a "disability" or you for having a "disability," I have never done so. But I will continue to attack your postings when warranted. I'm sick & tired of "disability," "minority," "sɛҳuąƖ orientation," etc. liberal bs being grounds for preferential treatment, and you damn sure won't get any from me!
Real quick--use some of your Olde English for my amusement before Matthew bans you for the third time.
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Fr. Griego is responsible for your salvation, you are his lamb and he is your shepherd assigned by God. He can't abandon you until he is certain that you are taken care of by another shepherd. If you have a history of mental problems it is even more reason to watch over you more carefully than others. As you describe it, it sounds mercenarial on the part of the priest, a 9-5 job priest that wants no "unpleasantness" in life.
Be patient and wait your 8 months. Don't expect much from man (the chapel crowd), remember, the crowd laid flowers before Christ when he was received as the Messiah, and the crowd crucified him just a few days later, only like 5 people stood by him (be content with even one friend in your chapel).
As for Fr. Griego, pray for him that he not be confounded:
St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.
Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
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Someone who reads this and knows Cassini and me just sent me an email with copy of your own recent mass email accusing the priests of hacking your email, sending you viruses, remotely controlling your brand new laptop (werent you dirt poor?) 2 days after purchase, bullying you and who knows what else. I'm not surprised they don't want you around until you calm down.
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The Crown of Thorns and Mental Illness
http://vultuschristi.org/index.php/2016/02/the-crown-of-thorns-and-mental-illness/
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The 9 who have voted that the named priest was wrong--do you have first hand knowledge of the circuмstances, or did you take the word of the obvious nutjob as soon as he came reeling in? I hope it is the former, but I seriously doubt that it is.
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Even if you are not a supporter of the resistance, I think that you could ask sacraments from Fr Ballini or macDonald or Bufe... they covered nearly all Ireland...
I will pray for you
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Apparently Matthew has reeled in that 'slippery animal.'
Whether total or partially in fault; I do pray that sentience in exile will find inner peace and access to the Sacraments.
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I did not vote, but once I clicked View Results, I was prevented from voting.
So, I will say in this post that I think eight months is a little stiff for a penance.
However, I knew a woman who was mentally ill and who had offended many people in a particular parish. Many families left, and the parish membership and financial support were so low, that the bishop was threatening to close the parish and move the priest elsewhere. One of the past members wrote a letter, which the Bishop commanded to be read. Finally after several people complained, the priest talked with the bishop and she was penanced for one year. She was told to visit a woman's monastery for one year and seek their advice. Then she was allowed back into the parish.
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Maria Regina, I think by viewing first you forfeit your right to vote. I peaked but I had no intention of voting.
Interesting example!
I read it that the 8 months has already passed and, in the light of emails received by Cassini and JMcQ, Soulguard seems not to have corrected his behaviour.
Why should he accuse Father publicly like this, let alone make him subject of a vote. The whole things smacks of a selfishness and thoughtlessness.
We have to pray for both Father and Soulguard.
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I'm hoping the vote for the first option was a mistake.
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What would the priest do if you approached him calmly and pleasantly, and promised him that when you came to Church, you would go straight to the chapel without seeking conversation, and then at the end of Mass stay in your pew until most of the people exited, and then leave the chapel and go straight to your vehicle without seeking any conversation with anyone? That's actually how it was done in traditional times anyway.
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What would the priest do if you approached him calmly and pleasantly, and promised him that when you came to Church, you would go straight to the chapel without seeking conversation, and then at the end of Mass stay in your pew until most of the people exited, and then leave the chapel and go straight to your vehicle without seeking any conversation with anyone? That's actually how it was done in traditional times anyway.
Exactly. Prior to Vatican II, we did not gather in the hall for donuts and coffee. We came to the Church. Only choir members would gather in the hall or a classroom for a brief choir practice. Sometimes they would practice in the choir loft, but without talking. We left after the Mass in silence.
Then along came Vatican II, where hugs (the Sign of Peace) were encouraged both before and after Mass. The church was no longer silent as people hugged each other in greeting, told jokes, and horrors of horrors, even gossiped. No wonder Paul VI exclaimed that the Smoke of Satan had entered the sanctuary.
So, yes, coming in silence and then leaving in silence would be appropriate.
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I'm hoping the vote for the first option was a mistake.
I mercifully voted for the middle option. TCat/soulguard/sentience in exile has quite the tumultuous history here at CathInfo. He was banned; permitted back and rebanned after several months; and now has returned without permission and been rebanned again. He has consistently exhibited his nuttiness.
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The priest has the welfare of his entire to consider. If you represent a danger in any fashion, he is within his rights to keep you from other faithful. That he gave you another option, albeit with a penitential drive, is within his discretion.
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If the OP is now banned, and I have no evidence of this, then he cannot read our replies.
A good priest will protect his faithful flock, but he should be open to hearing the confession of those who are sick either mentally or physically as Christ came to heal the sick and comfort the mourning.
In the past, we did not have this prevalence of mental illness. Today, it seems like most people will be on psychoactive drugs during some time of their lives.
And I do not believe that it is the fault of people. All these vaccines with brain-damaging mercury and aluminum must be considered. All of the supermarket one-a-day vitamins and minerals are loaded with dangerous excipients. Almost all our foods sold in the USA have been sprayed with Round-Up and other dangerous herbicides and pesticides. Our hand sanitizers are loaded with agent orange = Tricosan. Our toothpastes, mouth rinses, and drinking water are loaded with rat poison (fluoride). Also our diets have gone south with all the preservatives, artificial coloring, and GRAS ingredients, which are not even tested but Generally Regarded As Safe, whatever that means.
I react seriously to fluoride in our water. It gives me horrible stomach aches. And fluoride has been shown to fossilize the pineal gland, that center of the brain that helps us to focus and pray with attention.
Therefore, priests need to be compassionate, but most of them are not aware of what TPTB are doing to our environment. Need I mention all the aerial spraying that is going on in the name of weather modification and geo-engineering to prevent the sun from burning us up and causing more global warming? Need I mention the de-classified army experiments that were being done in the slums of Los Angeles, Chicago, and Austin, Texas to poison the poor with chemical warfare?
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Lord have mercy. Lord have mercy. Lord have mercy and save us, for we perish.
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As soulguard he was very helpful to me in some ways, and a lot of fun at times, and always very challenging. But exasperating!
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MariaCatherine, I didn't think you'd been around that long. Yes, I enjoyed soulguard's postings too. We women, I think, are more patient, or at least more Motherly.
Maria Regina, I believe he can read but he cannot post. God bless!
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I react seriously to fluoride in our water. It gives me horrible stomach aches. And fluoride has been shown to fossilize the pineal gland, that center of the brain that helps us to focus and pray with attention.
http://humansarefree.com/2011/02/how-to-clean-up-pineal-gland.html Luckily this damage can be reversed/minimized.
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http://humansarefree.com/2011/02/how-to-clean-up-pineal-gland.html
What a weird website. 'Astral travel' is straight from hell. And the instructions for cleaning up the pineal gland are just basic common sense for good health. Why did you post this?
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Here are some other considerations. It would seem reasonable to me that Soulguard came back here, a Resistance forum, believing he would attract sympathy for having been (allegedly or otherwise) betrayed by a whole SSPX parish. I don't think that's entirely unreasonable. It's not as if the subject of SSPX spies reading private emails, telling lies, or using some kind of bullying tactic, has never been alleged here. His other accusations are not so far from that, I don't think. How many of us have not wondered, when we realize our computer has a virus, if it was hacked by someone we know? Of course there's a difference between that passing thought, and what it led to in this case. Not at all to suggest I believe everything he claims, only to point out he's not completely in left field. Don't we all know (directly or otherwise) of SSPX chapels that operate a bit like the elitist club he described, if not to the same degree?
Also, the Irish know betrayal like the back of their hand. When it's so frequent and recent it can really wear a person down.
I'm most concerned about the ѕυιcιdє attempt. I'd like to remind Soulguard that God does not have respect of persons. He doesn't so much care who it is that was murdered - the murderer always deserves hell even if the victim was he himself.
Anyway, the best penance is that which comes from others, not that which we choose for ourselves. I hope the remaining days of Soulguard's exile are fruitful.
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Mental illness is a very heavy cross to carry. many people, including some priests, don't really understand what it involves.
Some people take on harsh penances and sometimes God gives them so that we can be crucified with His Son.
It is a difficult situation. I will pray for you.
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