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Offline AMDGJMJ

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Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2024, 09:41:38 PM »
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  • 2Vermont articulately described the pattern and Mens Infirmus's :popcorn: was indeed the capper. The troll made early mention of Palma da Troya. Does that sound like someone lacking in details about Abp. Thuc?

    Gullibility is not "charity."

    It is overdue for practicing Catholics to remember the Crusaders and quit acting like Novus Ordo fαɢɢօts and cat lady Karens.
    I know people who have asked similar questions as Infirmus and who then looked into the information they were given and became very solid and devout traditional Catholics...

    I live amidst a sea of novus ordo people and I am the only traditional Catholic in my family.  I know what it means to have to fight for the Faith.  You could ask our mutual friends the Sharpes to verify this and I am sure that they could tell you many stories backing up what I am saying...

    So, call me gullible if you wish...

    I leave all in God's Hands.
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #46 on: August 05, 2024, 09:49:57 PM »
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  • Thank you for sharing. I wonder why he didn’t stay with the SSPX?
    Archbishop Thuc gave his talk at the SSPX seminary in 1974 but...then Paul VI died and once JPII was elected in 1978 Archbishop Lefevbre became focused on rejoining Rome.

     Lefevbre likely needed to distance himself from Archbishop Thuc if he was going to make smooth negotiations with the vatican.

    I remember hearing once (but I can't remember the source) that Lefevbre had too much to risk visiting Palmar or consecrating bishops but Archbishop Thuc already had nothing to lose as he had already lost everything except his Faith.
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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #47 on: August 05, 2024, 10:13:30 PM »
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  • Fine ask the ones you love.

    I don't understand, why you think this platform gives you the right to not be a gentleman.

    Just a guess, but maybe the women you love in real life are too scared of you to tell you the truth.
    Sorry Mark, the last line was a bit much.  I shouldn't have said it.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #48 on: August 05, 2024, 10:19:00 PM »
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  • Well, +Thuc did make mistakes, mainly in consecrating so many men. Do we just forget about that? Before this forum became sedevacantist, it wasn't a scandal to mention issues with +Thuc. But now it is of course.

    Though I do admire +Thuc also. He meant well, and he was very devout. And he suffered very much in his last days.
    Meg, the forum is not sedevacantist.

    Please refer to https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/which-group/

    Out of 51 people 15 were SSPX/SSPX resistance and 11 were some kind of sede, the rest didn't really pick a side. 
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #49 on: August 05, 2024, 10:21:17 PM »
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  • Archbishop Thuc gave his talk at the SSPX seminary in 1974 but...then Paul VI died and once JPII was elected in 1978 Archbishop Lefevbre became focused on rejoining Rome.

     Lefevbre likely needed to distance himself from Archbishop Thuc if he was going to make smooth negotiations with the vatican.

    I remember hearing once (but I can't remember the source) that Lefevbre had too much to risk visiting Palmar or consecrating bishops but Archbishop Thuc already had nothing to lose as he had already lost everything except his Faith.

    It's good to see a bit of background to the situation. Though in 1978, +ABL was technically still with Rome, since he wasn't excommunicated until 1988. He was suspended in 1976. But of course he continued to ordain priests after the suspension. He didn't want to sever ties with Rome, but that changed after 1988. His situation was quite a bit different than +Thuc, in that +ABL had a seminary and seminarians to consider. And what to do with those seminarians after they were ordained? No diocese wanted them, so he had to have his own chapels. Both men had a strong Traditional Faith, though the paths they took were very different. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #50 on: August 05, 2024, 10:22:10 PM »
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  • Meg, the forum is not sedevacantist.

    Please refer to https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/which-group/

    Out of 51 people 15 were SSPX/SSPX resistance and 11 were some kind of sede, the rest didn't really pick a side.

    Okay....whatever you say. :smirk:
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #51 on: August 06, 2024, 04:59:45 AM »
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  • "It was at the height of the crisis in 1974 that Archbishop Thuc became associated with the SSPX, when he visited Econe to give a talk." (The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Lefevbre Pg. 74)
    Thanks AMDGJMJ
    who is the author of that book?

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #52 on: August 06, 2024, 05:17:48 AM »
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  • The fact that you are all arguing about this user's intention is very significant.

    He has caused nothing but discord since his very first post.

    I am waiting for the troll to explain how he meant no disrespect to the users of this forum or to the late Abp. Thuch by using this: :popcorn:

    :popcorn:
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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #53 on: August 06, 2024, 06:06:14 AM »
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  • I thought I'd post this thread in The Library for those sincerely interested:

    Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc - page 1 - The Library - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)




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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #54 on: August 06, 2024, 08:17:34 AM »
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  • Sorry Mark, the last line was a bit much.  I shouldn't have said it.
    Not a problem. No apology due. None of the name-calling, interior forum reading, or remote viewing phase me. It would be silly of me to care about insults and "thumbs" from people who do not know me, but have little more than vivid imaginations and fevered obsessions. I am not directing those comments at you.

    Meg pounced to lap up the drool of her troll "ally," but "the enemy of your enemy" is NOT always "your friend." As I have observed, Infirmus has successfully sown the discord he intended. The :popcorn: is an emoticon of someone watching a show and indeed Infirmus got his show. The obsessive hysterics and Cat Lady Karens may now take a bow and await for applause that will never come.

    Precisely because I do not think I have all the answers, precisely because I do not arrogate authority to myself, I am not dogmatic or obsessive about my sedevacantism. It took me 30 years to "get off the fence." That is why it is all  the more amusing that Meg accuses me of forcing others to accept my views. Her accusations of "forcing others" and "hyper-emotionalism" are just her psychological projections born of her obsession and her long-demonstrated penchant for interior forum reading, now malignantly metastasized into a non-existent charism of remote viewing of what I do and have done in my life.

    I ask you, "What has Meg's anti-sede obsession earned?" "What has Meg's dogmatism earned?" "What has Meg's interior reading and remote viewing earned?"

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #55 on: August 06, 2024, 08:49:16 AM »
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  • I ask you, "What has Meg's anti-sede obsession earned?" "What has Meg's dogmatism earned?" "What has Meg's interior reading and remote viewing earned?"

    There's nothing remote about your emotional and bullying behavior here. It's all here for everyone to see. Some here are fine with it, and some aren't. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #56 on: August 06, 2024, 08:56:59 AM »
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  • There's nothing remote about your emotional and bullying behavior here. It's all here for everyone to see. Some here are fine with it, and some aren't.

    Really? You claim in the quote below that you know I do nothing Crusader-like. How could you know that without "remote viewing"?

    What is your anti-sede obsession, but emotional and bullying?


    Except that the Crusaders were actually fighting the bad guys, and not hanging about an internet forum bashing other trads, which actually requires no bravery at all. For you, It's all emotion and spit and not in the least bit like the Crusaders. You fight other traditional Catholics.

    What is your anti-sede obsession, but fighting traditional Catholics?

    Readers see that you project your own psychological problems on others.

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #57 on: August 06, 2024, 09:01:10 AM »
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  • Really? You claim here that you know I do nothing Crusader-like. How could you know that without "remote viewing"?

    You are the one who first brought up the Crusaders, and you said that traditional Catholics should behave more like Crusaders. Didn't you mean that Traditional Catholic have to behave more like Crusaders on this forum? Or did you mean something else? I'm not interested in your behavior outside of this forum. And, emotional bullying by you isn't the same thing as being a Crusader. Why would you think that it is? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #58 on: August 06, 2024, 09:05:21 AM »
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  • 2Vermont articulately described the pattern and Mens Infirmus's :popcorn: was indeed the capper. The troll made early mention of Palma da Troya. Does that sound like someone lacking in details about Abp. Thuc?

    Gullibility is not "charity."

    It is overdue for practicing Catholics to remember the Crusaders and quit acting like Novus Ordo fαɢɢօts and cat lady Karens.

    Perhaps you should read the precise wording before you project your emotionalism and read my interior forum.

    What is your anti-sede obsession, but emotional and bullying?

    What is your anti-sede obsession, but fighting traditional Catholics?

    Readers see that you project your own psychological problems on others.

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #59 on: August 06, 2024, 09:07:33 AM »
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  • Perhaps you should read the precise wording before you project your emotionalism and read my interior forum.

    What is your anti-sede obsession, but emotional and bullying?

    What is your anti-sede obsession, but fighting traditional Catholics?

    Readers see that you project your own psychological problems on others.

    Your emotional bullying is exterior. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29