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Offline Infirmus

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WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
« on: August 03, 2024, 09:30:09 PM »
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  • What did Thuc do from 1965 to 1976 (palmar da troya) and 1976 to 1981?
    In the C mri docuмent on Thuc's life they mention he went to Toulon France after V2 then the momentous moment for sedevacantists came in 1981 with Fr de Laurier sought out Thuc to get consecrated. 
    So what did he do for 16 years aside from the 10 days in 1976 where he consecrated 2 laymen and 3 priests as bishops who he just met?
    What did he do??:popcorn:

     https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/reflections-on-the-life-of-archbishop-pierre-martin-ngo-dinh-thuc/

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2024, 10:06:42 PM »
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  • In 1965 His Grace was 68 years old and in 1981 he was 84.

    What will you be doing when you are 68 or 84? Will you even be alive?

    I doubt you will make it that far. Judging from your behavior here, I think that you will piss off the wrong person long before you reach such an age.


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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #2 on: August 04, 2024, 05:56:35 AM »
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  • In 1965 His Grace was 68 years old and in 1981 he was 84.

    What will you be doing when you are 68 or 84? Will you even be alive?

    I doubt you will make it that far. Judging from your behavior here, I think that you will piss off the wrong person long before you reach such an age.
    What did he do?:popcorn:

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #3 on: August 04, 2024, 06:52:45 AM »
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  • What did he do?:popcorn:

    He did much more good for the Church than you or I probably did or will ever do.

    He concentrated at least 3 good priests making them bishops, thus ensuring the sacraments to thousands for years.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #4 on: August 04, 2024, 09:27:30 AM »
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  • What did he do?:popcorn:
    In 1965 His Grace was 68 years old and in 1981 he was 84.

    What will you be doing when you are 68 or 84? Will you even be alive?

    I doubt you will make it that far. Judging from your behavior here, I think that you will piss off the wrong person long before you reach such an age.


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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2024, 12:12:51 PM »
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  • What did Thuc do from 1965 to 1976 (palmar da troya) and 1976 to 1981?
    In the C mri docuмent on Thuc's life they mention he went to Toulon France after V2 then the momentous moment for sedevacantists came in 1981 with Fr de Laurier sought out Thuc to get consecrated.
    So what did he do for 16 years aside from the 10 days in 1976 where he consecrated 2 laymen and 3 priests as bishops who he just met?
    What did he do??:popcorn:

     https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/reflections-on-the-life-of-archbishop-pierre-martin-ngo-dinh-thuc/

    Why do you act so immature?

    Do you think that you are helping someone this way?

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #6 on: August 04, 2024, 01:06:45 PM »
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  • What did Thuc do from 1965 to 1976 (palmar da troya) and 1976 to 1981?
    In the C mri docuмent on Thuc's life they mention he went to Toulon France after V2 then the momentous moment for sedevacantists came in 1981 with Fr de Laurier sought out Thuc to get consecrated.
    So what did he do for 16 years aside from the 10 days in 1976 where he consecrated 2 laymen and 3 priests as bishops who he just met?
    What did he do??:popcorn:

     https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/reflections-on-the-life-of-archbishop-pierre-martin-ngo-dinh-thuc/

    "When the Council (Vatican II) ended in December of 1965 it became clear that he could not go back to Vietnam -neither the Vietnamese, nor the American, nor the Vatican authorities permitted it.  Thuc was cut off from Vietnam in other senses too-he lost all access to his previously lucrative timber, rubber, coconut palm and real estate businesses.  What money he had brought with him, and what the Vietnamese congregation in Rome could donate, kept him from destitution." (The Sacred and the Profane p. 291 Cekada)

    1965-1968
    Thuc lived in Rome trying to figure out what to do until Paul VI made him resign in 1968.

    "Thuc assisted in a Roman parish for a time and then at a Cistercian Abbey not far from Rome, at Casamari for 15 months.  After this he was at Arpino and engaged in light pastoral work but for the most part he was treated as an outcast by the Vatican." (The Sacred and the Profane, Cekada, Pg. 291)

    Thuc was kicked out of the Casamari by the angry Father Abbot of the monastery for reporting to the Vatican that an exhibition of nudes was to be held in the hall of the Abbey library, and the Abbot was reprimanded for this by the Most Reverend Abbot Sighard, the highest authority of the Cistercian Order. (Autobiographie de Mgr. Pierre Martin Ngo-dinh Thuc, Aecheveque de Hue, 1982, pg. 79)

    1968-1974
    Thuc was basically living in exile during this time.  He hardly had enough to live on.

    "It was at the height of the crisis in 1974 that Archbishop Thuc became associated with the SSPX, when he visited Econe to give a talk." (The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Lefevbre Pg. 74)

    In 1976, Thuc made the visit to Palmar at the recommendation of the SSPX priest, Father Revaz.

    1976-1981
    Thuc resided in a small appartment in France (Toulon).

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    Unlike Archbishop Lefevre who had money pouring in from all sides and who was a French native, Archbishop Thuc became an outcast and lived a very impoverished life after he was exiled and banned from returning home to Vietnam. 

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #7 on: August 04, 2024, 01:44:18 PM »
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  • "When the Council (Vatican II) ended in December of 1965 it became clear that he could not go back to Vietnam -neither the Vietnamese, nor the American, nor the Vatican authorities permitted it.  Thuc was cut off from Vietnam in other senses too-he lost all access to his previously lucrative timber, rubber, coconut palm and real estate businesses.  What money he had brought with him, and what the Vietnamese congregation in Rome could donate, kept him from destitution." (The Sacred and the Profane p. 291 Cekada)

    1965-1968
    Thuc lived in Rome trying to figure out what to do until Paul VI made him resign in 1968.

    "Thuc assisted in a Roman parish for a time and then at a Cistercian Abbey not far from Rome, at Casamari for 15 months.  After this he was at Arpino and engaged in light pastoral work but for the most part he was treated as an outcast by the Vatican." (The Sacred and the Profane, Cekada, Pg. 291)

    Thuc was kicked out of the Casamari by the angry Father Abbot of the monastery for reporting to the Vatican that an exhibition of nudes was to be held in the hall of the Abbey library, and the Abbot was reprimanded for this by the Most Reverend Abbot Sighard, the highest authority of the Cistercian Order. (Autobiographie de Mgr. Pierre Martin Ngo-dinh Thuc, Aecheveque de Hue, 1982, pg. 79)

    1968-1974
    Thuc was basically living in exile during this time.  He hardly had enough to live on.

    "It was at the height of the crisis in 1974 that Archbishop Thuc became associated with the SSPX, when he visited Econe to give a talk." (The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Lefevbre Pg. 74)

    In 1976, Thuc made the visit to Palmar at the recommendation of the SSPX priest, Father Revaz.

    1976-1981
    Thuc resided in a small appartment in France (Toulon).

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    Unlike Archbishop Lefevre who had money pouring in from all sides and who was a French native, Archbishop Thuc became an outcast and lived a very impoverished life after he was exiled and banned from returning home to Vietnam.
    This is good info.  Is there a link for it?


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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #8 on: August 04, 2024, 02:39:12 PM »
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  • This is good info.  Is there a link for it?

    All of the information and sources were gathered together by Edward Jarvis and can be found in his book "Sedevacantism, The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Thuc".

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    While Jarvis does not support "sedevacantism" in his book and is somewhat critical of Archbishop Thuc at times, he does a good job of giving good sources at the end of each chapter.


    (Amazon link for book)
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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #9 on: August 04, 2024, 02:45:49 PM »
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  • All of the information and sources were gathered together by Edward Jarvis and can be found in his book "Sedevacantism, The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Thuc".

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    While Jarvis does not support "sedevacantism" in his book and is somewhat critical of Archbishop Thuc at times, he does a good job of giving good sources at the end of each chapter.


    (Amazon link for book)
    Some of what I read there wouldn't be described as "somewhat critical". He sounds nothing less than blatantly anti-Thuc as well as anti-sede.  I bet the OP buys the book! :laugh1:

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #10 on: August 04, 2024, 03:20:43 PM »
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  • As if the troll didn't already know those details??? It's commendable that you answered the troll's question, but it has been apparent since his earliest posts here that he doesn't want answers. Like an unwanted home invader, he just wants to shit in our living room.

    Why indulge the troll?


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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #11 on: August 04, 2024, 03:54:34 PM »
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  • In 1965 His Grace was 68 years old and in 1981 he was 84.

    What will you be doing when you are 68 or 84? Will you even be alive?

    I doubt you will make it that far. Judging from your behavior here, I think that you will piss off the wrong person long before you reach such an age.
    Hmmm?  That was a legit question.  Your reply is unfounded.  If you don’t have a polite answer than it’s probably better to stay quiet for fear of showing your ignorance and or lack of charity,

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #12 on: August 04, 2024, 03:58:38 PM »
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  • What did he do?:popcorn:

    Infirmus,

    What you may have now realized is that if you end up in the crosshairs of the forum member M79, you will be stalked and mercilessly forced to assent to his opinion, or be ridiculed as though you are the most evil person on the planet. Expect no less. Aren't trads wonderful? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #13 on: August 04, 2024, 04:01:15 PM »
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  • "When the Council (Vatican II) ended in December of 1965 it became clear that he could not go back to Vietnam -neither the Vietnamese, nor the American, nor the Vatican authorities permitted it.  Thuc was cut off from Vietnam in other senses too-he lost all access to his previously lucrative timber, rubber, coconut palm and real estate businesses.  What money he had brought with him, and what the Vietnamese congregation in Rome could donate, kept him from destitution." (The Sacred and the Profane p. 291 Cekada)

    1965-1968
    Thuc lived in Rome trying to figure out what to do until Paul VI made him resign in 1968.

    "Thuc assisted in a Roman parish for a time and then at a Cistercian Abbey not far from Rome, at Casamari for 15 months.  After this he was at Arpino and engaged in light pastoral work but for the most part he was treated as an outcast by the Vatican." (The Sacred and the Profane, Cekada, Pg. 291)

    Thuc was kicked out of the Casamari by the angry Father Abbot of the monastery for reporting to the Vatican that an exhibition of nudes was to be held in the hall of the Abbey library, and the Abbot was reprimanded for this by the Most Reverend Abbot Sighard, the highest authority of the Cistercian Order. (Autobiographie de Mgr. Pierre Martin Ngo-dinh Thuc, Aecheveque de Hue, 1982, pg. 79)

    1968-1974
    Thuc was basically living in exile during this time.  He hardly had enough to live on.

    "It was at the height of the crisis in 1974 that Archbishop Thuc became associated with the SSPX, when he visited Econe to give a talk." (The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Lefevbre Pg. 74)

    In 1976, Thuc made the visit to Palmar at the recommendation of the SSPX priest, Father Revaz.

    1976-1981
    Thuc resided in a small appartment in France (Toulon).

    ***

    Unlike Archbishop Lefevre who had money pouring in from all sides and who was a French native, Archbishop Thuc became an outcast and lived a very impoverished life after he was exiled and banned from returning home to Vietnam.
    Thank you for sharing. I wonder why he didn’t stay with the SSPX?

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #14 on: August 04, 2024, 04:05:37 PM »
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  • As if the troll didn't already know those details??? It's commendable that you answered the troll's question, but it has been apparent since his earliest posts here that he doesn't want answers. Like an unwanted home invader, he just wants to shit in our living room.

    Why indulge the troll?
    Your lack of class and good Christian charity is revealing speaks volumes!