Author Topic: GermanAustrian Resistance Now Sedevacantist (Read 2609 times)

obediens · « **on:** November 05, 2014, 03:35:50 PM »

http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/MiscArchives/FrArnoldTrauner_PeaceWithTheWorldOrWithGod_11-02-2014.mp3

Dana · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2014, 06:47:11 PM »

This is a very empowering sermon. Thanks for posting it.

hugeman · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2014, 09:28:50 AM »

"Peace with the world or peace with God"
The tabernacles and altars people are raising in union with men
Who do not believe in the truths of Jesus Christ; who do not believe
in the truths of the Catholic Faith; who do not believe in the creed they themselves mouth; these
Tabernacles, these false altars, are doomed to destruction. As Our Lord instructed us mere days ago ( once again in the lessons), the number of the saved is one hundred forty four thousand, from all the tribes. The good Lord is whittling down the billions and the millions into that number which will find its way onto the ark of Salvstion.
The insistance on union with the false wolves in Rome; with those who have denied every major truth of our Holy Faith, is sure to bring destruction upon mankind, and upon every false "movement."These German priests and sisters have fought through the obfuscations and distortions to see that the Romans , rather than being Vicars of Christ, are agents of satan.
May the good Lord bless them.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2014, 04:45:10 PM »

I just listened to the sermon linked above by Fr. Trauner. Not a mention of sedevavantism.

JmJ2cents · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2014, 06:15:04 PM »

Listen again! He mentions how fortunate the U.S was to have the Nine. We all know what that means!

Green Scapular · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2014, 07:13:32 PM »

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Listen again! He mentions how fortunate the U.S was to have the Nine. We all know what that means!

I can't listen to it again. So by that one comment, we are to understand that the 4 German/Austrian resistance priests and the two groups of nuns are sedevacantists? I think he needs to be a lot more clear than that.

andysloan · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2014, 07:32:10 PM »

hugeman said:

"the number of the saved is one hundred forty four thousand, from all the tribes. The good Lord is whittling down the billions and the millions into that number which will find its way onto the ark of Salvstion."

It does not state in apocalypse 14 that 144,000 exclusively are saved, but rather these are a select group of virgins of special mark before God.

Pete Vere · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2014, 08:20:45 PM »

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Listen again! He mentions how fortunate the U.S was to have the Nine. We all know what that means!

I can't listen to it again. So by that one comment, we are to understand that the 4 German/Austrian resistance priests and the two groups of nuns are sedevacantists? I think he needs to be a lot more clear than that.

I would agree with Green Scapular.

Certainly, I would not be surprised if the German-Austrian Resistance went sede. Nevertheless, we need more proof than a passing reference to the nine--no matter how sympathetic the reference.

peterp · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2014, 08:37:30 PM »

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Listen again! He mentions how fortunate the U.S was to have the Nine. We all know what that means!

I can't listen to it again. So by that one comment, we are to understand that the 4 German/Austrian resistance priests and the two groups of nuns are sedevacantists? I think he needs to be a lot more clear than that.

... And you really need and eye-opener, somehow, someone, to open your eyes ... to give you information and to make you aware: it is about about Catholic teaching. It is all about theology. It's not a bunch of crazy people who are having funny ideas and are called, call themselves, sedevacantists. It's about Catholic theology. ... it was a bitter medicine for all of us, for this convent, and for each one of us priests .. [12:23]

Also, his prefatory greeting began Your Eminence, so who are we to understand this is: Bp. Williamson or Bp. Sanborn?

Pete Vere · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2014, 08:51:30 PM »

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Listen again! He mentions how fortunate the U.S was to have the Nine. We all know what that means!

I can't listen to it again. So by that one comment, we are to understand that the 4 German/Austrian resistance priests and the two groups of nuns are sedevacantists? I think he needs to be a lot more clear than that.

... And you really need and eye-opener, somehow, someone, to open your eyes ... to give you information and to make you aware: it is about about Catholic teaching. It is all about theology. It's not a bunch of crazy people who are having funny ideas and are called, call themselves, sedevacantists. It's about Catholic theology. ... it was a bitter medicine for all of us, for this convent, and for each one of us priests .. [12:23]

On that point I agree: sedevacantists tend to be more rigorous in citing and applying traditional sources of theology, whereas I find R&R appeals more to folk customs and alleged apparitions.

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Also, his prefatory greeting began Your Eminence, so who are we to understand this is: Bp. Williamson or Bp. Sanborn?

Does it really matter?

curioustrad · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2014, 09:01:58 PM »

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Quote from: Green Scapular
Quote from: JmJ2cents
Listen again! He mentions how fortunate the U.S was to have the Nine. We all know what that means!

I can't listen to it again. So by that one comment, we are to understand that the 4 German/Austrian resistance priests and the two groups of nuns are sedevacantists? I think he needs to be a lot more clear than that.

... And you really need and eye-opener, somehow, someone, to open your eyes ... to give you information and to make you aware: it is about about Catholic teaching. It is all about theology. It's not a bunch of crazy people who are having funny ideas and are called, call themselves, sedevacantists. It's about Catholic theology. ... it was a bitter medicine for all of us, for this convent, and for each one of us priests .. [12:23]

Also, his prefatory greeting began Your Eminence, so who are we to understand this is: Bp. Williamson or Bp. Sanborn?

Neither: Bishop Dolan in Cincinnati where Fr. Trauner was the guest this weekend.

Yes Fr. Trauner and the priests and nuns have all gone sede - check out Bishop Sanborn's newsletter for September this year (Source)

Not that I am on board with this but just a FYI.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2014, 09:45:04 PM »

Thank you, curioustrad. I did not realize that the "Your Excellency" he was addressing was Bishop Sanborn.

Stephen Heiner strikes again.

curioustrad · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2014, 05:58:31 AM »

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Thank you, curioustrad. I did not realize that the "Your Excellency" he was addressing was Bishop Sanborn.

Stephen Heiner strikes again.

He wasn't addressing Bishop Sanborn in the sermon but Bishop Dolan in Cincinnati where Fr. Trauner was the guest this past weekend.

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This weekend we welcome a visiting priest from Austria, Fr. Arnold Trauner, who is telling us today a little bit about his life and work. Like the older Fathers here, Father is a former Pius X priest. He works with several other similar priests in a rapidly expanding apostolate, which even includes Hungary.

(Source)

I suppose I didn't make it clear in my last post.

The reference to Bishop Sanborn visiting Fr. Trauner in Europe earlier this year was to show that Fr. Trauner has gone sede.