Author Topic: What are the chances of Williamson reuniting with SSPX? (Read 10841 times)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #35 on:** September 21, 2015, 05:32:41 PM »

Quote from: rum

2vermont is at least Judaized. She's a Jєωιѕн convert who has attacked me on Te Deum for my posts about Jews.

Yeah, that's one of the litmus tests for Jєωιѕн "converts". See if they still defend and / or propagate jewry.

BUMP:

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It is historical fact that the Jews have been behind the worse revolutions against the Church of Christ. (Reformation, French Revolution, Bolshevik Revolution, Vatican II, etc.) If a convert Jew takes an issue with these historical facts against Judaism and still may take offense when someone points out these facts, then it is a proof that as Ascend says, he is not really born to New Life as a Catholic, but still carries the mark of the Jew with their innate nature to revolt against Christ. Wherever the Jews as a whole are allowed to gain power, only spiritual and social decay follows. That is why they have always been expelled and secluded from everywhere, until XX century when they have literally taken over the world and over the Catholic Church with Vatican II, and we are seeing the disastrous results of the global Jєωιѕн influence. Everything that is twisted in society today, we can thank the global spread of Judaism for.

Over the centuries, the Church has never changed her firm, wise stance on the Jєωιѕн question (until Vatican II, apparently). On the one hand, she prevented the Jews from being mistreated and she allowed their religion to be practiced in private. On the other hand, however, faced with the impossibility of converting them, she rebuked them for the crime of Deicide, exhorted them to repent, and isolated them in order to prevent them from perverting Catholics.

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In the Brief of May 27, 1581, Gregory XIII (1572-1585) warned the faithful and religious authorities against the false conversions of Jews as a means to infiltrate the Catholic Church. (37) In the Bull Antiqua ʝʊdɛօrum improbitas of June 1, 1581, the Pontiff established these conditions for when Jews must be submitted to the vigilance of the Inquisition:

a. when they attack Catholic dogmas;
b. when they invoke devils or offer sacrifices to them;
c. when they teach Catholics to do the same;
d. when they speak blasphemies against Our Lord and Our Lady;
e. when they try to induce Catholics to abandon their Faith;
f. when they forbid a Jew or an infidel to convert;
g. when they consciously favor heretics;
h. when they disseminate heretical books;
i. when, in disdain for Our Lord, they crucify a lamb – principally on Good-Friday – and then spit on it and spew it with insults.
j. when they oblige Catholic wet-nurses to pour their milk into the toilettes and sewers after they have received the Eucharist. (38)

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a028htJPII_VisitToѕуηαgσgυє1986.htm

As we see, the Jєωιѕн infiltration have always been a thread for the Church but never seemed so victorious and evident as with Vatican II Council.

rum · « **Reply #36 on:** September 21, 2015, 05:48:59 PM »

Wise words.

2Vermont objected to my thread suggesting that Catholics should be cautious about Jєωιѕн converts who haven't been disowned by their families. I learned from GottmittunsAlex that this was also the view of St. Vincent Ferrer.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #37 on:** September 21, 2015, 06:12:06 PM »

One of the ABL2 anti-Williamson denizens, a frequent contributor there, who takes upon himself often the responsibility of reprinting H.E.'s ECs, does not apparently know if he's a jew or not. It must be some kind of ethnic amnesia. LOL.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #38 on:** September 21, 2015, 07:21:43 PM »

Quote from: rum

Wise words.

2Vermont objected to my thread suggesting that Catholics should be cautious about Jєωιѕн converts who haven't been disowned by their families. I learned from GottmittunsAlex that this was also the view of St. Vincent Ferrer.

This does strike me as a possible marker to look out for. I have an ex-Mormon in-law who converted to traditional Catholicism, and his whole family disowned him, won't even see his children on holidays. And at the mostly Mormon place of employment he has, he is ostracized. Not that he seems to care, though.

(However, that may not always be the case. Many families now-a-days consider themselves religious conservatives of whatever variety, yet condone anything under banner of 'love and acceptance.')

Mysterium Fidei · « **Reply #39 on:** September 21, 2015, 07:52:49 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: 2Vermont
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Except both Bishop Fellay and Bishop Williamson don't seem to take issue with Catholics attending the NO.

That's a lie, and you know it. Attempting to stir up controversy, now?

Or, when you said, "I'm beginning to think you just like to argue for the sake of argument," were you thinking of yourself?

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Actually it's not a lie and you know it. Or are you one of the folks who deny or explain away that Bishop Williamson advised a woman to attend the NO in June?

No, it's a lie and you know it.

Bishop Williamson did not advise a woman to attend the N.O., but only explained to everyone publicly that he did not advise AGAINST her doing so, for personal reasons applicable only to her case and to others like her. He was very clear in saying that he does not recommend the N.O. for everyone, and that it constitutes an objective danger to the faith of Catholics in general. Maybe you should pay better attention.
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Of course he told her that she could go to the Novus Ordo. Bp. Williamson, in one and the same answer told her:

the Novus Ordo is a "key part of the new religion, a major part of the worldwide apostasy.”

“Do whatever you need to nourish your faith.”

“Some Novus Ordo priests are nourishing and building the faith in the Novus Ordo parish.”

“There have been eucharistic miracles with the Novus Ordo Mass. They are still occurring.”

“While the new religion is false, is dangerous, and it strangles grace, and it’s helping many people to lose the faith, at the same time there are cases where it can be used and is used to build the faith.”

“Do whatever you need to do to keep the faith.”

“You make your own judgments.” “I’ve got to make my own decisions in my own circuмstances.”

“Therefore there are cases when even the Novus Ordo Mass can be attended with an effect of building one’s faith instead of losing it.” “Stay away from the Novus Ordo. But exceptionally, if you’re watching and praying, even there you may find the grace of God. If you do, make use of it in order to sanctify your soul.”

“If they [the lay people] can trust their own judgement, that attending the New Mass will do them more good than harm spiritually…But it does harm in itself. There is no doubt about that. It is a rite designed to undermine Catholics’ faith, and to turn their belief away from God towards man.”

“The whole of the new religion, and the Novus Ordo Mass is an essential part of the new religion, is designed to get you away from the Catholic Faith…”

All of this was in the same answer to this one question asked by this one woman. It took Bp. Williamson about 10 minutes to answer her.

I think this illustrates the position of the SSPX and even the so called "Resistence." This is the consequence of not answering the essential question definitively. This is the consequence of having your "pope" and eating him too.

Watch his response for yourself.