Author Topic: What are the chances of Williamson reuniting with SSPX? (Read 10816 times)

Nickolas · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2015, 12:56:52 AM »

Hollingsworth, don't you believe there is a difference between disputations and speculation? You and I can debate the differences here, and that would be a good, healthy debate. There are very many threads on this forum that are healthy one's, void of speculation. Other portions of threads here are speculative, and they often lead to troublesome quarrels that serve no purpose, do they?

I believe we can take our example from our Blessed Lord Himself. He disputed much with the Pharisees but I don't believe he ever speculated with anyone, at least in the reading I have done.

In 2nd Timothy 2:23, Paul seems to warn us about speculation leading to quarrels.
http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-23.htm

Moorslayer · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2015, 02:04:16 AM »

Quote from: Nickolas

Moorslayer, as a "recent convert", your curiosity is to be commended, however, before you plunge in to ask detailed questions, wisdom would have that you first prepare yourself to know the truth when it is presented to you.

I encourage you to take as much time as need to firstly understand the crisis in the Church. Read as much as you can about Vatican II, the errors of it, and the reasons for the errors. Archbishop Lefebvre himself wrote many books about Vatican II and his own response to the errors promoted by it. Read, read, read, there is no quick way to get where you need to be.

With regard to the most current events, say post 2012, this forum site has links devoted to provide that information too. Look at the 1st 4 forum lines under SSPX Resistance on this forum. They provide a lot of historical information.

Check out truetrad.com also. Other sites are available for your review.

Finally, asking innocuous questions whether Bishop Williamson will return to the SSPX serves no purpose, as such speculation is not worth the time taken to read the sentence. Only the SSPX and the person you mention knows the answer to that question, so I encourage you to not use forums to encourage speculation.

I already understand the crisis concerning Vatican 2 and the reasons for the resistance. My intentions are not to speculate, but to inquire about any legitimate info such as statements and such, concerning if reunion is even plausible. If there have been no statements from either side on the possibilities of reunion, then I guess the answer to my question is no.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2015, 08:52:15 AM »

Quote from: Moorslayer

I already understand the crisis concerning Vatican 2 and the reasons for the resistance. My intentions are not to speculate, but to inquire about any legitimate info such as statements and such, concerning if reunion is even plausible. If there have been no statements from either side on the possibilities of reunion, then I guess the answer to my question is no.

Barring an act of God that somehow reforms the SSPX present leadership somehow, it seems to me that +Fellay and his hand-picked cronies have taken a sharp turn away from the path laid out by ABL, and +Williamson has held fast to the straight and narrow way, while the other two original bishops are somewhere in the middle and apparently each of them could go right or left, but who knows?

I am not aware of any "statements from either side on the possibilities of reunion," as you put it.

You have to consider the entire range of what has been going on over the past 3 decades in the Society of St. Pius X in particular and in the world in general. You must review the facts of GREC and how +F had been so reticent about its dealings for YEARS, even acting as though nothing at all was going on, when it in fact WAS.

You must consider how so many speeches he has given over the years have been LONG and BORING, containing so little substance as to put the audiences to SLEEP, while everyone thought it was a great virtue of the SSPX faithful to be so patient and submissive to this penitential listening fiasco.

You must not overlook how +F has made no secret of the fact that he is attracted to reunion with Conciliar Rome like a bug is drawn to a light bulb. He has presented his attraction as some kind of holy quest, and actually, +W has not done anything to take a stand against that attraction.

In all justice we in the Resistance must not lose sight of the guiding principle laid down by ABL such that this remnant of Catholics cannot fall victim to any attraction to Rome until Rome first converts back to the Faith of our Fathers, because so long as Conciliar Rome is infected with this rampant Modernism poison, there is no point of us submitting to their authority since they would simply eat us alive when we walk through the door. That is their nature.

Therefore, inasmuch as +F and his henchmen have fallen off the rails in the direction of walking through that door prematurely, there really cannot be any possibility of reunion unless +F and his cronies CONVERT and once again embrace the foundational principle that would keep us all together: resistance to the Modernism of Conciliar Rome.

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hollingsworth · « **Reply #13 on:** September 17, 2015, 09:22:18 AM »

Nickolas, in my earlier post, which seemed to open yet another controversy, you seem to point to the things I say in it as "speculative." Would you care to specify what particular items in that post are speculative?

Nickolas · « **Reply #14 on:** September 17, 2015, 11:41:35 AM »

Hollingsworth, I was not referring to anything in your post as speculative, but merely drawing a distinction between speculation and debate of issues. That's all. I apologize if I led you to believe otherwise.