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Offline Clint

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What about the CCC?
« on: June 24, 2012, 04:11:41 PM »
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  • Anyone heard any mention of the New SSPX's position on the Catechism of the Catholic Church? The Old SSPX considered the CCC to be radiactive, a book which should not even be in your home.

    Rome will require the new SSPX to use the catechism in their seminaries and for their faithful.


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    What about the CCC?
    « Reply #1 on: June 24, 2012, 05:17:58 PM »
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  • This CCC issue is an excellent teaching opportunity

    This CCC issue is an excellent teaching opportunity to convert the pro-new Fellay SSPX priest . All the SSPX priests, ALL, I've ever met, went ballistic when I told them I had the CCC. They told me to get it out of the house. I keep it as a reference to show others all the errors of the Vatican II mode of communication (double speak).

    I like using irony to get a point across:

    Example: "I love the handshake of peace, I'm 50 years old, where else can I go and hug a different 25 year old beauty every Sunday"?



    and with the CCC, I would tell the pro-new Fellay SSPX priest that:

    "If the accord goes through, I can finally sell my  all the CCC's  back to all the people that gave them to me to trash. Can you please announce from the pulpit, I have the CCC's at half price?"




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    What about the CCC?
    « Reply #2 on: June 24, 2012, 08:32:04 PM »
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  • Ugh. Bishop Fellay's downhill spiral keeps getting worse. I wish that man would just resign, that would make things so much better.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    What about the CCC?
    « Reply #3 on: June 24, 2012, 08:42:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Clint
    Anyone heard any mention of the New SSPX's position on the Catechism of the Catholic Church? The Old SSPX considered the CCC to be radiactive, a book which should not even be in your home.

    Rome will require the new SSPX to use the catechism in their seminaries and for their faithful.


    I posted the following a few days ago:

    "The Year of the Faith" 2012-2013, What is this all about?
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    I wasn't sure were to post this comment but thought it may be helpful (?)

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/guidelines-for-celebrating-year-of-faith-revealed/

    Guidelines for celebrating Year of Faith revealed

    By David Kerr

    Vatican City, Jan 5, 2012 / 01:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Vatican issued guidelines Jan. 5 for how the Church at all levels should celebrate the Year of Faith, which starts in October 2012.
    A summary of the guideline docuмent, which was produced by the Congregation for the Doctrine, was released on Jan. 5, but the full text will be published Saturday, Jan. 7.
    The introduction to the guidelines explains that the Year of Faith is “intended to contribute to a renewed conversion to the Lord Jesus and to the rediscovery of faith, so that the members of the Church will be credible and joy-filled witnesses to the Risen Lord, capable of leading those many people who are seeking it to the door of faith.”
    The Year of Faith was announced by Pope Benedict XVI last year in his apostolic letter “Porta Fidei.” It will begin on October 11, 2012, the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council. It also coincides with the 20th anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The year will end on November 24, 2013, the Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ Universal King.
    The docuмent from the Vatican’s doctrinal congregation offers a sketch of what should take place at every level of the Church during the Year of Faith.
    At the universal level, the Pope will engage in various events, including the solemn opening of the Year of Faith, the Assembly of the Synod of Bishops in Rome, and World Youth Day 2013 in Brazil. There will also be “various ecuмenical initiatives” aimed at “the restoration of unity among all Christians,” including “a solemn ecuмenical celebration in which all of the baptized will reaffirm their faith in Christ.”
    Bishops’ conferences will focus on increasing the “quality of catechesis.” Some of the efforts in this area will involve examining “local catechisms and various catechetical supplements in use in the particular Churches,” in order “to ensure their complete conformity with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.”
    The Vatican body also hopes that the bishops’ conferences will use the media to evangelize, such as “television and radio transmissions, films and publications focusing on the faith, its principles and content.”
    At the level of dioceses, the Year of Faith is expected to provide an occasion for “renewed creative dialogue between faith and reason,” among both the academic and artistic communities. It should also be a year for “penitential celebrations” in which Catholics can “ask for God's forgiveness, especially for sins against faith.”
    In local parishes, the Vatican would like to see a focus on the liturgy, especially the Eucharist, since in it the “mystery of faith and source of the new evangelization, the faith of the Church is proclaimed, celebrated and strengthened.”
    Religious institutes, new communities and ecclesial movements are also expected to take their lead in celebrating the Year from the pastoral guidelines.
    The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith hopes that the Year of Faith will make the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism “more widely and deeply known” throughout the Church.
    “From the beginning of his pontificate, Pope Benedict XVI has worked decisively for a correct understanding of the Council,” says the docuмent, “rejecting as erroneous the so-called ‘hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture’ and promoting what he himself has termed ‘the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in continuity.’”

    The Vatican’s doctrinal congregation says that their pastoral recommendations are aimed at helping people encounter Christ and grow in their understanding of the Catholic faith. At the same time, it adds, the guidelines are not meant to rule out “other initiatives which the Holy Spirit will inspire among Pastors and faithful in various parts of the world.”
    The docuмent concludes by announcing the creation of a secretariat to help coordinate the Year of Faith. It will be established within the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization.
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    Now...
    PORTA FIDEI
    OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
    BENEDICT XVI FOR THE INDICTION OF THE YEAR OF FAITH

    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/motu_proprio/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20111011_porta-fidei_en.html#_ftnref7
    ...The starting date of 11 October 2012 also marks the twentieth anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, a text promulgated by my Predecessor, Blessed John Paul II,[3] with a view to illustrating for all the faithful the power and beauty of the faith. This docuмent, an authentic fruit of the Second Vatican Council, was requested by the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops in 1985 as an instrument at the service of catechesis[4] and it was produced in collaboration with all the bishops of the Catholic Church. Moreover, the theme of the General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops that I have convoked for October 2012 is “The New Evangelization for the Transmission of the Christian Faith”. This will be a good opportunity to usher the whole Church into a time of particular reflection and rediscovery of the faith. It is not the first time that the Church has been called to celebrate a Year of Faith. My venerable Predecessor the Servant of God Paul VI announced one in 1967, to commemorate the martyrdom of Saints Peter and Paul on the 19th centenary of their supreme act of witness...
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    Pope Paul VI abolished the Oath Against Modernism, in July of 1967, (the last "Year of the Faith") A Coincidence???  What else is ahead and planned for this coming up "Year of the Faith"?  Would + Fellay have an answer? Some may want to review Jonh Vennari's article "The Oath against Modernism Abolished"

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    What about the CCC?
    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 08:50:46 PM »
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  • Link to John Vennari's article:

    http://www.cfnews.org/oathmodbtryd.htm

    I guess the title is: The Oath Against Modernism Betrayed
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    What about the CCC?
    « Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 09:58:06 PM »
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  • What are we to think of the NEW CATECHISM
    of the Catholic Church (1992)?


    This question illustrates the fundamental differences between the SSPX and the Conciliar “traditionalists” or conservatives. These latter are often seen defending both the traditional Latin Mass and the “new” Catechism but not openly attacking either the Novus Ordo Missae or Vatican II. The SSPX on the other hand defends the traditional catechisms and therefore the traditional Latin Mass, and so attacks the Novus Ordo Missae, Vatican II and the “new” Catechism, all of which more or less undermine our unchangeable Catholic faith.

    Conservatives defend the Catechism of the Catholic Church for its re-affirmation of teachings silenced or denied by out rightly modernist catechisms; the Society rejects it though because it is an attempt to formalize and propagate the teachings of Vatican II. Pope John Paul II agrees with this:

     
    The Catechism was also indispensable (i.e., as well as the 1983 Code of Canon Law), in order that all the richness of the teaching of the Church following the Second Vatican Council could be preserved in a new synthesis and be given a new direction. (Pope John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, London, Jonathen Cape, 1994, p. 164)

    One need but consider the 806 citations from Vatican II, a number which amounts on average to one citation every three-and-a-half paragraphs throughout the 2,865 paragraphs of the Catechism.

    In particular, the novelties of Vatican II appear in the following paragraphs:

    an infatuation with the dignity of man (§§225; 369; 1700; 1929...),

    such that we may hope for the salvation of all the baptized (§§1682ff),

    even non-Catholics (§818),

    or those who commit ѕυιcιdє (§2283),

    and of all the unbaptised, whether adults (§847),

    or infants (§1261);

    which is the basis of all rights (§§1738; 1930; 1935) including that of religious liberty (§§2106ff),

    and the motive of all morality (§1706; 1881; 2354; 2402; 2407, etc.),

    a commitment to ecuмenism (§820f; 1399; 1401) because all religions are instruments of salvation (§§819; 838-843; 2104),

    collegiality (§§879-885),

    over-emphasis on the priesthood of the faithful (§§873; 1547; 1140ff, etc.).

    Now, just as he who denies but one article of Faith loses the Faith [PRINCIPLE 7], so a teacher who errs on one point alone proves himself fallible, and, renders all he teaches questionable.

    Just as the Second Vatican Council is not an authority to quote even where it propounds Catholic teaching (it does not do so infallibly and clearly), so this Catechism is not an authority of Catholic belief because of the modern deviations which it encompasses.

    Those who defend this Catechism are supporting the innovations of Vatican II.


    It's still here but don't ask me 'till when: http://www.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/q14_new_catechism.htm

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